Pearl Jam Mailed It In On Monday Night

Karts

At some point in the past 5 years, they simply stopped even trying to be relevant. They went from musicians to entertainers.

rylan

Karts said:

At some point in the past 5 years, they simply stopped even trying to be relevant. They went from musicians to entertainers.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read. You must be entertained at least right? Haha

MayDay10

DR49650 said:

Long time fan first ever post.....saw my first show in 1998..... Seen 5 garden shows, including the 03 show that ended up on DVD...closed the spectrum etc.... Feel compelled to finally add my two cents.... 5/1 was my 26th show....these fan view post in general have annoyed me to no end. I think in my 26 shows I have seen corduroy 26 times.... I am confused as to what the naysayers/complainers want....the setlists have always been formulaic the opener is either slow/fast....generally speaking even flow shows up around song 12.......porch, RVM, DTE rotate closing the first set and first encore, sometimes Go closes one of those as well.....rockin, fuckin, baba, YL, indifference, all along the watchtower rotate out closing the show....been like this since 98...... Black and alive have moved to the 2nd encore.....the first encore starts out slow...closes fast every show......I danced/jumped my ass off Sunday night to songs I have heard smiling times...if you don't like better man what the hell are you there for? It took me 11 years to finally see smile live in closing down the spectrum.....I also saw bugs and it was just as dumb as it was on the album....my point I remember very easily in 2000 getting tickets through the fan club for 5 shows and again in 2003..... The fan club has grown by leaps and bounds and made it harder on the early ppl to get tickets...no complaints I take what I get from them and enjoy the crap out of the shows I get lucky enough to attend......yeah Eddie has changed and had a family and is noticeably happier and it's great I love it....his voice sounds happier....I have a kid now too and Sunday night was my first night out with my wife in 6 months....it was tremendous the band is tighter and better by leaps and bounds now than in 98 when I first saw them which was about an 1 hr and 48 minute show....now they give ya 3 hrs and 32-34 songs of no frills straight rock and roll.....in this day and age of nonsensical autotuned crap all the complainers should just enjoy this band they are part of a dying breed....like Eddie said in 03 they could sound like good Charlotte or some crap......lol.....be patient stick with them you will get your song.....thanks.....

Love this post!

slightofjeff

Wasn't at the show, don't know much about it, can't comment on it directly. What I will say is that, personally, I'm sort of over going to shows really hoping to hear a sloppy ill-conceived version of some fucked-up B-side.

That was fun for a while.

I don't mind the hits anymore. They are what drew me to the band in the first place, oh so long ago. At my age, I don't mind being transported to that time and place.

Also, did someone say they played a song with Cheap Trick AND a song with Sting? Wow.

seanwon

Bdog10 said:

Phish and Widespread Panic go on 4 night runs with not one single repeat. I'm so tired of hearing that argument "no other band". You are just simply wrong my friend! I've seen Phish 45 times in the past 5 years...including most of their MSG shows, and they sure as hell have more than 54% unique songs.

Right, but the downside is that you are listening to Phish......and Widespread Panic....

jordn6971

rylan said:

Karts said:

At some point in the past 5 years, they simply stopped even trying to be relevant. They went from musicians to entertainers.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read. You must be entertained at least right? Haha

Lately I feel like Mike spends more time pointing to people in the audience and stuff than he does actually playing his guitar.

jordn6971

"Quote" rel="DR49650">Long time fan first ever post.....saw my first show in 1998..... Seen 5 garden shows, including the 03 show that ended up on DVD...closed the spectrum etc.... Feel compelled to finally add my two cents.... 5/1 was my 26th show....these fan view post in general have annoyed me to no end. I think in my 26 shows I have seen corduroy 26 times.... I am confused as to what the naysayers/complainers want....the setlists have always been formulaic the opener is either slow/fast....generally speaking even flow shows up around song 12.......porch, RVM, DTE rotate closing the first set and first encore, sometimes Go closes one of those as well.....rockin, fuckin, baba, YL, indifference, all along the watchtower rotate out closing the show....been like this since 98...... Black and alive have moved to the 2nd encore.....the first encore starts out slow...closes fast every show......I danced/jumped my ass off Sunday night to songs I have heard smiling times...if you don't like better man what the hell are you there for? It took me 11 years to finally see smile live in closing down the spectrum.....I also saw bugs and it was just as dumb as it was on the album....my point I remember very easily in 2000 getting tickets through the fan club for 5 shows and again in 2003..... The fan club has grown by leaps and bounds and made it harder on the early ppl to get tickets...no complaints I take what I get from them and enjoy the crap out of the shows I get lucky enough to attend......yeah Eddie has changed and had a family and is noticeably happier and it's great I love it....his voice sounds happier....I have a kid now too and Sunday night was my first night out with my wife in 6 months....it was tremendous the band is tighter and better by leaps and bounds now than in 98 when I first saw them which was about an 1 hr and 48 minute show....now they give ya 3 hrs and 32-34 songs of no frills straight rock and roll.....in this day and age of nonsensical autotuned crap all the complainers should just enjoy this band they are part of a dying breed....like Eddie said in 03 they could sound like good Charlotte or some crap......lol.....be patient stick with them you will get your song.....thanks.....

Did they repeat 10-15 songs in back to back shows in years past? I don't think so. They have soooo many songs and sooo many hits they used to mix them around better.

Like someone said, maybe they are trying to get footage for a DVD so they are repeating these songs to get the best production.

Lifted

seanwon said:

Bdog10 said:

Phish and Widespread Panic go on 4 night runs with not one single repeat. I'm so tired of hearing that argument "no other band". You are just simply wrong my friend! I've seen Phish 45 times in the past 5 years...including most of their MSG shows, and they sure as hell have more than 54% unique songs.

Right, but the downside is that you are listening to Phish......and Widespread Panic....

Furthermore...this is a bullshit argument. Phish is a jam band. They improv. Pj needs to have songs rehearsed. Cant compare the two.

That said, ill acknowledge that pj shouldve and couldve mixed it up for the 2 nighters in nyc and philly. Not sure what the thought process was behind creating those sets. But i only went to philly 2 and it was the best ive seen the band so ill take it.

P.s. stop saying 'so what, they're the best band in the world' to make an argument. #1. They are your favorite band, not necessarily the best band. #2 best band or favorite band, no one is above criticism. It's healthy.

jordn6971

Lifted said:

seanwon said:

Bdog10 said:

Phish and Widespread Panic go on 4 night runs with not one single repeat. I'm so tired of hearing that argument "no other band". You are just simply wrong my friend! I've seen Phish 45 times in the past 5 years...including most of their MSG shows, and they sure as hell have more than 54% unique songs.

Right, but the downside is that you are listening to Phish......and Widespread Panic....

Furthermore...this is a bullshit argument. Phish is a jam band. They improv. Pj needs to have songs rehearsed. Cant compare the two.

That said, ill acknowledge that pj shouldve and couldve mixed it up for the 2 nighters in nyc and philly. Not sure what the thought process was behind creating those sets. But i only went to philly 2 and it was the best ive seen the band so ill take it.

P.s. stop saying 'so what, they're the best band in the world' to make an argument. #1. They are your favorite band, not necessarily the best band. #2 best band or favorite band, no one is above criticism. It's healthy.

What about Panic they play 25+ songs a night with minimal improv/jamming and they play new covers constantly? I got into Panic only in the last few years but I have come to enjoy their shows more than PJ.

Karts

rylan said:

Karts said:

At some point in the past 5 years, they simply stopped even trying to be relevant. They went from musicians to entertainers.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read. You must be entertained at least right? Haha

Yes, I was. Just watch the Garden DVD, the honesty in the delivery of the music, they illustrated a viewpoint to a congregation of believers. As Ed said "we felt like we have a job to do". 13 years later, that job is to entertain, and they do it fantastically.

The sincerity is long gone.

jordn6971

Eddie needing a handle and platform to stand on so he could swing on those lightning bolt orbs was always hilarious to me.

Lifted

jordn6971 said:

Lifted said:

seanwon said:

Bdog10 said:

Phish and Widespread Panic go on 4 night runs with not one single repeat. I'm so tired of hearing that argument "no other band". You are just simply wrong my friend! I've seen Phish 45 times in the past 5 years...including most of their MSG shows, and they sure as hell have more than 54% unique songs.

Right, but the downside is that you are listening to Phish......and Widespread Panic....

Furthermore...this is a bullshit argument. Phish is a jam band. They improv. Pj needs to have songs rehearsed. Cant compare the two.

That said, ill acknowledge that pj shouldve and couldve mixed it up for the 2 nighters in nyc and philly. Not sure what the thought process was behind creating those sets. But i only went to philly 2 and it was the best ive seen the band so ill take it.

P.s. stop saying 'so what, they're the best band in the world' to make an argument. #1. They are your favorite band, not necessarily the best band. #2 best band or favorite band, no one is above criticism. It's healthy.

What about Panic they play 25+ songs a night with minimal improv/jamming and they play new covers constantly? I got into Panic only in the last few years but I have come to enjoy their shows more than PJ.

I dont know Panic. I know of them, but I dont know enough of their stuff to have a discussion about it. My general point was that jam bands have a much easier time than bands like Pearl Jam in mixing up setlists. But I also acknowledge that there are other bands that are more structured like Pearl Jam and do a great job at mixing up sets. I dont think MMJ or Wilco would play multiple nights at the same venue and do as many repeats as PJ just did...but then again, show to show, i think PJ plays a better variety than MMJ. So theres that...

Im in the camp that thinks PJ does a great job mixing up sets considering the type of band they are, but Im agreeing with people who say their set choices at msg this year were a failure even if the shows weren't.

Come Back in Black

jordn6971 said:

Eddie needing a handle and platform to stand on so he could swing on those lightning bolt orbs was always hilarious to me.

Now your trolling. Why are you even here? It sucks you are not a fan anymore. It's run it's course for you. You aren't getting anything out of it anymore. Best to just move on.

derbydave

Lifted said:

I dont think MMJ or Wilco would play multiple nights at the same venue and do as many repeats as PJ just did...but then again, show to show, i think PJ plays a better variety than MMJ. So theres that...

Im in the camp that thinks PJ does a great job mixing up sets considering the type of band they are, but Im agreeing with people who say their set choices at msg this year were a failure even if the shows weren't.

I know it's off topic, but felt like this needed to be said...
NO ONE mixes up their setlists better than My Morning Jacket...
especially when they are doing more than one show in the same city!!
MMJ did a 4 show run at The Beacon last year around Thanksgiving,
and I'm pretty sure they didn't repeat a single song...
and they were promoting a new album!!!
There were also 3 back to back nights in Chicago without repeats.
I saw multiple shows in Detroit, Columbus & Minneapolis last year,
and they didn't repeat a single song!!

SVRDhand13

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nicknyr15

Karts said:

At some point in the past 5 years, they simply stopped even trying to be relevant. They went from musicians to entertainers.

Go away. Please

Come Back in Black

derbydave said:

Lifted said:

I dont think MMJ or Wilco would play multiple nights at the same venue and do as many repeats as PJ just did...but then again, show to show, i think PJ plays a better variety than MMJ. So theres that...

Im in the camp that thinks PJ does a great job mixing up sets considering the type of band they are, but Im agreeing with people who say their set choices at msg this year were a failure even if the shows weren't.

I know it's off topic, but felt like this needed to be said...
NO ONE mixes up their setlists better than My Morning Jacket...
especially when they are doing more than one show in the same city!!
MMJ did a 4 show run at The Beacon last year around Thanksgiving,
and I'm pretty sure they didn't repeat a single song...
and they were promoting a new album!!!
There were also 3 back to back nights in Chicago without repeats.
I saw multiple shows in Detroit, Columbus & Minneapolis last year,
and they didn't repeat a single song!!

First I'll say MMJ is great. 2nd I'll say we all know Pearl Jam is a big influence on why MMJ mix it up the way they do so respect should be given to PJ for being one of their mentors. Lastly I'll say according to setlist.FM MMJ only has 4 shows so far in 2016 so lets look at 2015. MMJ had 83 shows and played 111 unique songs over that time. So far in 2016 Pearl Jam has 13 shows and has played 134 unique songs. Drops mic.

weekapaug19

Come Back in Black said:

derbydave said:

Lifted said:

I dont think MMJ or Wilco would play multiple nights at the same venue and do as many repeats as PJ just did...but then again, show to show, i think PJ plays a better variety than MMJ. So theres that...

Im in the camp that thinks PJ does a great job mixing up sets considering the type of band they are, but Im agreeing with people who say their set choices at msg this year were a failure even if the shows weren't.

I know it's off topic, but felt like this needed to be said...
NO ONE mixes up their setlists better than My Morning Jacket...
especially when they are doing more than one show in the same city!!
MMJ did a 4 show run at The Beacon last year around Thanksgiving,
and I'm pretty sure they didn't repeat a single song...
and they were promoting a new album!!!
There were also 3 back to back nights in Chicago without repeats.
I saw multiple shows in Detroit, Columbus & Minneapolis last year,
and they didn't repeat a single song!!

First I'll say MMJ is great. 2nd I'll say we all know Pearl Jam is a big influence on why MMJ mix it up the way they do so respect should be given to PJ for being one of their mentors. Lastly I'll say according to setlist.FM MMJ only has 4 shows so far in 2016 so lets look at 2015. MMJ had 83 shows and played 111 unique songs over that time. So far in 2016 Pearl Jam has 13 shows and has played 134 unique songs. Drops mic.

number of songs here is irrelevant.....they are talking about mixing it up from show to show. what you need to do is see how many songs were repeated in back to back shows for a better comparison.

jordn6971

Come Back in Black said:

jordn6971 said:

Eddie needing a handle and platform to stand on so he could swing on those lightning bolt orbs was always hilarious to me.

Now your trolling. Why are you even here? It sucks you are not a fan anymore. It's run it's course for you. You aren't getting anything out of it anymore. Best to just move on.

Bullshit I love their music still as much as anyone here. I'm just not happy with the live shows lately. The previous post was about how they are just out there to entertain. There is no spontaneity in swinging from that orb when they attatch a handle to it. Very lame.

MayDay10

what is worse?

Mailing it in?

or

Phoning it in?