Pearl Jam Mailed It In On Monday Night

opsopcopolis

Yeah, MMJ and Wilco both mix up the sets quite a bit. Wilco had a 6 night run in Chicago in 2014 and didn't repeat anything until the 5th night iirc. But if this is actually a conversation that's happening, jambands are where this comes from. Most regularly touring jambands (I'm a big umphreys McGee fan so let's use them as an example) don't repeat songs over the course of a week usually, whether the same venue or not. I saw 6 um shows in January > February and I think two repeats, maybe three

Come Back in Black

weekapaug19 said:

Come Back in Black said:

derbydave said:

Lifted said:

I dont think MMJ or Wilco would play multiple nights at the same venue and do as many repeats as PJ just did...but then again, show to show, i think PJ plays a better variety than MMJ. So theres that...

Im in the camp that thinks PJ does a great job mixing up sets considering the type of band they are, but Im agreeing with people who say their set choices at msg this year were a failure even if the shows weren't.

I know it's off topic, but felt like this needed to be said...
NO ONE mixes up their setlists better than My Morning Jacket...
especially when they are doing more than one show in the same city!!
MMJ did a 4 show run at The Beacon last year around Thanksgiving,
and I'm pretty sure they didn't repeat a single song...
and they were promoting a new album!!!
There were also 3 back to back nights in Chicago without repeats.
I saw multiple shows in Detroit, Columbus & Minneapolis last year,
and they didn't repeat a single song!!

First I'll say MMJ is great. 2nd I'll say we all know Pearl Jam is a big influence on why MMJ mix it up the way they do so respect should be given to PJ for being one of their mentors. Lastly I'll say according to setlist.FM MMJ only has 4 shows so far in 2016 so lets look at 2015. MMJ had 83 shows and played 111 unique songs over that time. So far in 2016 Pearl Jam has 13 shows and has played 134 unique songs. Drops mic.

number of songs here is irrelevant.....they are talking about mixing it up from show to show. what you need to do is see how many songs were repeated in back to back shows for a better comparison.

It's not irreverent at all. It's all in the numbers. Pearl Jam have mixed there shows up more, playing a lot more different songs in 13 shows then they did in eighty plus.

There are a few points I want to make here. Number one. I'm not taking anything away from their Beacon run. I bet it was very special and they wanted it to be. But you are comparing that to a more average two day stand for Pearl Jam. Not one of their special runs like vs Mansfield 03 or Spectrum 09 which was likely a possible inspiration for MMJ to do their own special runs.

So regardless of some cool things they did last year they still failed to mix up their setlists overall more than PJ did in 13 shows. That's a powerful indicator.

And that is really my only last point. I think everyone needs to chill the fuck out. If you look at this 13 show tour so far it has been an AMAZING run and they have done a bunch of really cool things. Then PJ does too many repeats on a 2nd MSG show and everyone loses their mind like its all over. The party is over. Pearl Jam failed. It makes me sad how quickly fans lose faith. Look at the big picture. The numbers do not lie.

Suziemay

MayDay10 said:

what is worse?

Mailing it in?

or

Phoning it in?

Definitely phoning. At least when you mail something, some effort goes into it. You have to get an envelope and go to the post office to ensure correct postage. With a phone, you just pick it and hit a few buttons without budging from the couch.

When are we going to say texting it in? Snapchatting it in?

phungi

jordn6971 said:

rylan said:

Karts said:

At some point in the past 5 years, they simply stopped even trying to be relevant. They went from musicians to entertainers.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read. You must be entertained at least right? Haha

Lately I feel like Mike spends more time pointing to people in the audience and stuff than he does actually playing his guitar.

Glad to see someone finally calling out McCready for being a mediocre fan-pointing guitar player...

Merkin Baller

Suziemay said:

MayDay10 said:

what is worse?

Mailing it in?

or

Phoning it in?

Definitely phoning. At least when you mail something, some effort goes into it. You have to get an envelope and go to the post office to ensure correct postage. With a phone, you just pick it and hit a few buttons without budging from the couch.

When are we going to say texting it in? Snapchatting it in?

Yeah, but if it's a rotary phone......

mcgruff10

phungi said:

jordn6971 said:

rylan said:

Karts said:

At some point in the past 5 years, they simply stopped even trying to be relevant. They went from musicians to entertainers.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read. You must be entertained at least right? Haha

Lately I feel like Mike spends more time pointing to people in the audience and stuff than he does actually playing his guitar.

Glad to see someone finally calling out McCready for being a mediocre fan-pointing guitar player...

if anyone is at the top of their game it's mccready. having seen the band live for the past 20 years (and I've played guitar for 20 years) I can honestly say that this might be his best playing. the man is absolutely on fire. night one at msg mccready was actually doing freaking laps around the stage because he had so much energy.

jordn6971

phungi said:

jordn6971 said:

rylan said:

Karts said:

At some point in the past 5 years, they simply stopped even trying to be relevant. They went from musicians to entertainers.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read. You must be entertained at least right? Haha

Lately I feel like Mike spends more time pointing to people in the audience and stuff than he does actually playing his guitar.

Glad to see someone finally calling out McCready for being a mediocre fan-pointing guitar player...

I wouldn't go that far. He's the main reason I go see pearl jam. When he's focused hes incredible.

Suziemay

Merkin Baller said:

Suziemay said:

MayDay10 said:

what is worse?

Mailing it in?

or

Phoning it in?

Definitely phoning. At least when you mail something, some effort goes into it. You have to get an envelope and go to the post office to ensure correct postage. With a phone, you just pick it and hit a few buttons without budging from the couch.

When are we going to say texting it in? Snapchatting it in?

Yeah, but if it's a rotary phone......

I dunno, still think more effort goes into mailing than using a rotary phone. Unless you're mailing with a pre-paid envelope.

CantKeepmedown

I can't wait to see the complaints after Fenway and Wrigley. Because you know they are going to repeat some hits on those nights (Alive, Corduroy, Betterman, Even Flow.......) There will be a small percentage of the 30,000 that are going both nights and they'll want to please everybody. And that's totally fine with me. But people's expectations for these shows are going to be out of control.

Jason P

nicknyr15

Come Back in Black said:

weekapaug19 said:

Come Back in Black said:

derbydave said:

Lifted said:

I dont think MMJ or Wilco would play multiple nights at the same venue and do as many repeats as PJ just did...but then again, show to show, i think PJ plays a better variety than MMJ. So theres that...

Im in the camp that thinks PJ does a great job mixing up sets considering the type of band they are, but Im agreeing with people who say their set choices at msg this year were a failure even if the shows weren't.

I know it's off topic, but felt like this needed to be said...
NO ONE mixes up their setlists better than My Morning Jacket...
especially when they are doing more than one show in the same city!!
MMJ did a 4 show run at The Beacon last year around Thanksgiving,
and I'm pretty sure they didn't repeat a single song...
and they were promoting a new album!!!
There were also 3 back to back nights in Chicago without repeats.
I saw multiple shows in Detroit, Columbus & Minneapolis last year,
and they didn't repeat a single song!!

First I'll say MMJ is great. 2nd I'll say we all know Pearl Jam is a big influence on why MMJ mix it up the way they do so respect should be given to PJ for being one of their mentors. Lastly I'll say according to setlist.FM MMJ only has 4 shows so far in 2016 so lets look at 2015. MMJ had 83 shows and played 111 unique songs over that time. So far in 2016 Pearl Jam has 13 shows and has played 134 unique songs. Drops mic.

number of songs here is irrelevant.....they are talking about mixing it up from show to show. what you need to do is see how many songs were repeated in back to back shows for a better comparison.

It's not irreverent at all. It's all in the numbers. Pearl Jam have mixed there shows up more, playing a lot more different songs in 13 shows then they did in eighty plus.

There are a few points I want to make here. Number one. I'm not taking anything away from their Beacon run. I bet it was very special and they wanted it to be. But you are comparing that to a more average two day stand for Pearl Jam. Not one of their special runs like vs Mansfield 03 or Spectrum 09 which was likely a possible inspiration for MMJ to do their own special runs.

So regardless of some cool things they did last year they still failed to mix up their setlists overall more than PJ did in 13 shows. That's a powerful indicator.

And that is really my only last point. I think everyone needs to chill the fuck out. If you look at this 13 show tour so far it has been an AMAZING run and they have done a bunch of really cool things. Then PJ does too many repeats on a 2nd MSG show and everyone loses their mind like its all over. The party is over. Pearl Jam failed. It makes me sad how quickly fans lose faith. Look at the big picture. The numbers do not lie.

Plus MMJ averages about 19-21 songs a night. Not even close to 30-34 that PJ play.

ikiT

https://youtu.be/JGaBlygm0UY

bootlegger10

I took a look at MMJ's setlists from 2015. About ten shows. They averaged about 19 songs per show. They are a jam band so songs are longer.

Pearl Jam averages about 33 songs a night. Take away the ten repeats and you stil have more one off songs than MMJ plays in a night.

I would LOVE if Pearl Jam got more creative with their final encore though. They do have a huge traveling contingent and they have the songs to move around to move Alive to the first encore and Jeremy and Porch to the second encore every once in a while.

nicknyr15

bootlegger10 said:

I took a look at MMJ's setlists from 2015. About ten shows. They averaged about 19 songs per show. They are a jam band so songs are longer.

Pearl Jam averages about 33 songs a night. Take away the ten repeats and you stil have more one off songs than MMJ plays in a night.

I would LOVE if Pearl Jam got more creative with their final encore though. They do have a huge traveling contingent and they have the songs to move around to move Alive to the first encore and Jeremy and Porch to the second encore every once in a while.

Agree about encore 2. Let's shake it up a bit.

DeLukin

Just remember: if everything is EPIC then nothing is EPIC.

weekapaug19

DeLukin said:

Just remember: if everything is EPIC then nothing is EPIC.

easily the most overused word here

Come Back in Black

nicknyr15 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I took a look at MMJ's setlists from 2015. About ten shows. They averaged about 19 songs per show. They are a jam band so songs are longer.

Pearl Jam averages about 33 songs a night. Take away the ten repeats and you stil have more one off songs than MMJ plays in a night.

I would LOVE if Pearl Jam got more creative with their final encore though. They do have a huge traveling contingent and they have the songs to move around to move Alive to the first encore and Jeremy and Porch to the second encore every once in a while.

Agree about encore 2. Let's shake it up a bit.

Very fair. Some of the covers aren't special anymore. It would be nice to put Baba and Rockin on the shelf for a while. Like an entire tour. Break out an old fav like Fortunate son. But not every other show.

ruggs1996

Come Back in Black said:

nicknyr15 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I took a look at MMJ's setlists from 2015. About ten shows. They averaged about 19 songs per show. They are a jam band so songs are longer.

Pearl Jam averages about 33 songs a night. Take away the ten repeats and you stil have more one off songs than MMJ plays in a night.

I would LOVE if Pearl Jam got more creative with their final encore though. They do have a huge traveling contingent and they have the songs to move around to move Alive to the first encore and Jeremy and Porch to the second encore every once in a while.

Agree about encore 2. Let's shake it up a bit.

Very fair. Some of the covers aren't special anymore. It would be nice to put Baba and Rockin on the shelf for a while. Like an entire tour. Break out an old fav like Fortunate son. But not every other show.

Let's also stop ending every first encore with Porch

SputNick

Im in the camp that thinks PJ does a great job mixing up sets considering the type of band they are, but Im agreeing with people who say their set choices at msg this year were a failure even if the shows weren't.

Well said.

bootlegger10

If MMJ had radio hits as big as Alive, Even Flow, Better Man, etc... they sure as hell would be playing them every night because they would know a significant portion of their fans attending the shows are there to hear those songs.