My 11 month old daughter is a Huge PJ fan, she is always dancing to them. She was very sad I wouldn't let her come to Flatstock with me to buy a batch of posters. She was crying as I left, but after I explained to her that, we only need 1 of each poster, and letting her buy some would take away from other people who also really enjoy Brad's art, she calmed down and understood my point, Maybe she was just happy because Mom put a boob in her mouth???
wait, didn't you just admit to having your daughters buy you more posters to flip on ebay? hmmmmm.
true. but obviously brad has an opinion of you as well since he specifically said in his post that he saw people paying kids to buy his posters for them. it sounds like he was referring to you.
obviously that is because you are out buying posters to flip and finding celebrities to pose with and/or climb into the front seats of their cars.
in closing, you might start asking yourself in the future, "what would batman do?" since he is a role model of yours and all.
sincerely,
sweet adeline
I think many of you are missing the point of my initial post: Yea, Seattle Batman was there with his two daughters and bought three of many of the posters. BUT ... Brad apparently had no problems with this. He didn't question purchase and happily sold the posters, smiling and chatting with Seattle Batman on a first name basis. Seattle Batman also said he had a poster he wanted Brad to sign later. "Sounds good," Brad said. One: It wasn't Seattle Batman who was sending kids to buy posters for him, since his kids were there with him. And two: Brad seemed to know what was up and didn't seem to have a problem with it. When you consider Brad's comments (and I understand his frustration), that's what confuses me.
My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
I think many of you are missing the point of my initial post: Yea, Seattle Batman was there with his two daughters and bought three of many of the posters. BUT ... Brad apparently had no problems with this. He didn't question purchase and happily sold the posters, smiling and chatting with Seattle Batman on a first name basis. Seattle Batman also said he had a poster he wanted Brad to sign later. "Sounds good," Brad said. One: It wasn't Seattle Batman who was sending kids to buy posters for him, since his kids were there with him. And two: Brad seemed to know what was up and didn't seem to have a problem with it. When you consider Brad's comments (and I understand his frustration), that's what confuses me.
This is what Brad said two years ago:
It's an inevitability that people are going to resell anything, especially something that they know they can immediately resell for a profit. Be it posters or any collector's item. It's a capitalist society, people are going to do what they are going to do to make money. It's the nature of the beast. But personally, it's also frustrating when you know people have no intention to buy your art other then to immediately resell it for profit. Leaving those who are truly collectors and only want one for their home, sometimes missing out and having to pay higher prices than they need to be, because some people bought eight or ten to purposefully jack the price up and resell. If you could know beforehand who was actually going to resell the posters you sell them, you wouldn't sell them anything. You'd sell them to the people you know truly wanted them and keep them out of the hands of people trying to just make some quick cash off of something they had nothing to do with. It's the same as people who make money selling autographs or photographs of other people, off of hawking other people's art or talent, it's all very parasitic. But as I said, such is our society, and it's all a standard, acceptable practice.
"Must be real tough that your stuff would be that popular. He should be stoked that people want his stuff that bad and humour the situation rather than get upset about it. He could put his prices up a little and just limit stuff to 1 per customer. Its like being a celebrity.. they just gotta deal with the attention (in this case a demand for his artwork) and accept that there's a huge secondary market where people will make money from buying and selling. He could always give up and get some shitty 9-5 like the rest of us.. count your lucky stars that you are doing a job you love and that people want your stuff that bad"
and ...
"I had an artist who's crap gets flipped on eBay for $500+ tell me that it's good business for his stuff to escalate in value.
"When your posters bring in high dollars, bands and promoters seek you out."
So he gets additional commissioned work because of the demand for his prints.
I think Brad has been living a bit of a sheltered life."
My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
Sounded like he was not thrilled, but resigned to the fact that this is how things work in our society. So why is he so upset about the situation now?
If you read in his note ... "i am done wasting any more time with the ugliness of human greed and the unfounded sense of entitlemnet some people have and the bombardment of everyone's opinions on what i should be doing."
He's not just upset with flippers this time it seems, he's also upset at the folks pissed at him that HE'S not doing anything about it (or at least, not enough), and that some people feel because they *are* collecting it just for the art, they feel some need to make him feel like crap that his art is getting flipped.
all the people bitching about his site, pissin' and moanin' that he shouldn't sell at flatstock before the site goes up as it's unfair because they waited twice for the site and it crashed. People telling him to use Emek's e-mail method, or use a reseller .... people telling him he should take down all the names of the people who bought and match them to the numbers of the posters being flipped ... need I go on?
I get the feeling he doesn't want to hear it ... or, that he's tired of hearing it from everyone.
At least, that's my take on it ...
Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. (Even more so on the internet)
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Sounded like he was not thrilled, but resigned to the fact that this is how things work in our society. So why is he so upset about the situation now?
Maybe part of it is his frustration over his web-site where he knows he is in control of the situation, both from a poster availability and price standpoint.
these $1,000 posters are going for what, between 6-8k? 6x or so ...
BK's work starts at 30 at a concert or from 10c and make it up to 200 plus ... 6x or so ...
Fair point. I didn't pick out some of the better examples. I'm sure that you can pick out BK superstars too, for example, the DC print, but this guys work must be a real labor of love (and cash) to collect:
Fair point. I didn't pick out some of the better examples. I'm sure that you can pick out BK superstars too, for example, the DC print, but this guys work must be a real labor of love (and cash) to collect:
Don't mean any harm and sorry to edit your quote, but this is all that matters the rest was just jiberish.....
Right now unfortunatetly you are not letting the market determine the value you, yourself is determining the value. Right now his posters are hard to get but once they are released through the various means it will be easier and prices will go down.
But you are driving the prices up by coming home and putting them on Ebay not even 24 hours after you got them. You are trying to get the maximum value which is greed. If you are not greedy you should have waited a few months then sold them.... probably for less.
The prices may not go down if there's 5000 people waiting for the chance to buy BK's posters here or off his website. I'm sure the demand right now superceeds the supply. I would say that once all the posters are on the secondary market we won't see any change or they'll go up. Just follow Emeks sales (they all tend to go up) and some of those posters are for bands far less popular than Pearl Jam. The Melvins, High on Fire, Sparta for example.
I gave it a go, my first print sub ... they make a compelling arguement ... $25 per print (incl. shipping) for 12 prints from that lineup of artists ... and only a run of 150 on each.
There are bound to be some gems in there.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Ever since the last skunking by Ames Bros...I have a fear of Subs....
Yeah, but this one is from a variety of artists. Better odds of getting at least a few winners. I pulled the trigger.
It's my first sub and my first poster purchase in a while. Looking forward to my first Rob Jones, Daniel Danger, Jermaine Rodgers and Punchgut. Others I either already have prints by and love (King, Hampton, Klausen) or are not really familiar with but excited to see.
Comments
http://www.myspace.com/lizardkings1
(This Post May Have Been Edited By AT&T)
I think many of you are missing the point of my initial post: Yea, Seattle Batman was there with his two daughters and bought three of many of the posters. BUT ... Brad apparently had no problems with this. He didn't question purchase and happily sold the posters, smiling and chatting with Seattle Batman on a first name basis. Seattle Batman also said he had a poster he wanted Brad to sign later. "Sounds good," Brad said. One: It wasn't Seattle Batman who was sending kids to buy posters for him, since his kids were there with him. And two: Brad seemed to know what was up and didn't seem to have a problem with it. When you consider Brad's comments (and I understand his frustration), that's what confuses me.
always ends my bitching at the wife
This is what Brad said two years ago:
It's an inevitability that people are going to resell anything, especially something that they know they can immediately resell for a profit. Be it posters or any collector's item. It's a capitalist society, people are going to do what they are going to do to make money. It's the nature of the beast. But personally, it's also frustrating when you know people have no intention to buy your art other then to immediately resell it for profit. Leaving those who are truly collectors and only want one for their home, sometimes missing out and having to pay higher prices than they need to be, because some people bought eight or ten to purposefully jack the price up and resell. If you could know beforehand who was actually going to resell the posters you sell them, you wouldn't sell them anything. You'd sell them to the people you know truly wanted them and keep them out of the hands of people trying to just make some quick cash off of something they had nothing to do with. It's the same as people who make money selling autographs or photographs of other people, off of hawking other people's art or talent, it's all very parasitic. But as I said, such is our society, and it's all a standard, acceptable practice.
http://www.twofeetthick.com/tft/readArticle.action?id=159
Sounded like he was not thrilled, but resigned to the fact that this is how things work in our society. So why is he so upset about the situation now?
http://www.expressobeans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13168
As a reality, these comments should be noted:
"Must be real tough that your stuff would be that popular. He should be stoked that people want his stuff that bad and humour the situation rather than get upset about it. He could put his prices up a little and just limit stuff to 1 per customer. Its like being a celebrity.. they just gotta deal with the attention (in this case a demand for his artwork) and accept that there's a huge secondary market where people will make money from buying and selling. He could always give up and get some shitty 9-5 like the rest of us.. count your lucky stars that you are doing a job you love and that people want your stuff that bad"
and ...
"I had an artist who's crap gets flipped on eBay for $500+ tell me that it's good business for his stuff to escalate in value.
"When your posters bring in high dollars, bands and promoters seek you out."
So he gets additional commissioned work because of the demand for his prints.
I think Brad has been living a bit of a sheltered life."
If you read in his note ... "i am done wasting any more time with the ugliness of human greed and the unfounded sense of entitlemnet some people have and the bombardment of everyone's opinions on what i should be doing."
He's not just upset with flippers this time it seems, he's also upset at the folks pissed at him that HE'S not doing anything about it (or at least, not enough), and that some people feel because they *are* collecting it just for the art, they feel some need to make him feel like crap that his art is getting flipped.
all the people bitching about his site, pissin' and moanin' that he shouldn't sell at flatstock before the site goes up as it's unfair because they waited twice for the site and it crashed. People telling him to use Emek's e-mail method, or use a reseller .... people telling him he should take down all the names of the people who bought and match them to the numbers of the posters being flipped ... need I go on?
I get the feeling he doesn't want to hear it ... or, that he's tired of hearing it from everyone.
At least, that's my take on it ...
Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. (Even more so on the internet)
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Maybe part of it is his frustration over his web-site where he knows he is in control of the situation, both from a poster availability and price standpoint.
http://www.expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/54588
http://www.expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/47118
http://www.expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/51714
http://www.expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/51852
How do you like THOSE mark-ups
percentage wise? kind of similar.
these $1,000 posters are going for what, between 6-8k? 6x or so ...
BK's work starts at 30 at a concert or from 10c and make it up to 200 plus ... 6x or so ...
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
trying to make an analogy numbnuts
maybe you do understand, if so you can withhold the smartass
I kinda felt the need to explain the collectibles market to some folk around here that get so sore and pimpled up about the flippers
now go back to your free porn
Lou
around here it would be
over yonder in that boneyard....
and if you think people are cutthroat on posters, in my neck of the woods they'll take you to court over an indian stone.
Fair point. I didn't pick out some of the better examples. I'm sure that you can pick out BK superstars too, for example, the DC print, but this guys work must be a real labor of love (and cash) to collect:
http://www.expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/51762
http://www.expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/51749
This is the one that I couldn't find earlier but wanted to put up (from Beejoir):
http://www.expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/53663
i thought the print that said "i can't believe you morons buy this shit" was pretty funny.
The prices may not go down if there's 5000 people waiting for the chance to buy BK's posters here or off his website. I'm sure the demand right now superceeds the supply. I would say that once all the posters are on the secondary market we won't see any change or they'll go up. Just follow Emeks sales (they all tend to go up) and some of those posters are for bands far less popular than Pearl Jam. The Melvins, High on Fire, Sparta for example.
thats all i want to say.
i've got one in the shopping cart. not sure if i'm going to pull the trigger yet or not.
which is?
http://www.modernrockart.com
its the thing that costs $300
Subs are scaring me!
Exactly. I've had the Dan McCarthy sub in the paypal box a couple of times too.
I gave it a go, my first print sub ... they make a compelling arguement ... $25 per print (incl. shipping) for 12 prints from that lineup of artists ... and only a run of 150 on each.
There are bound to be some gems in there.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
that's funny, i don't care who you are
strange site
Is this type of thing better or worse than the eBay flippers?
*confusion sets in*
wwbd?
it is what it is. i don't feel like dropping 3 benjamins right now, but the prints might be nice.
i got food poisoning from quizno's last week. now i too have a fear of subs.
Yeah, but this one is from a variety of artists. Better odds of getting at least a few winners. I pulled the trigger.
It's my first sub and my first poster purchase in a while. Looking forward to my first Rob Jones, Daniel Danger, Jermaine Rodgers and Punchgut. Others I either already have prints by and love (King, Hampton, Klausen) or are not really familiar with but excited to see.
6/26/98, 6/30/98, 6/13/99, 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, 8/27/00, 8/29/00, 8/30/00, 10/8/00, 10/9/00, 6/15/03, 6/16/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/26/06, 6/27/06