Disappointed in PJ Fans Today

walkunafraid

RP112579 said:

JP Losman said:

RP112579 said:

JP Losman said:

If you do not have a photo ID and do not have a reasonable impediment to obtaining one, or you forgot to bring it with you to the polls, you may still vote a provisional ballot. However, for your vote to be counted you must provide one of the photo IDs to the county election commission prior to certification of the election (usually the Thursday or Friday after the election).


You clearly are racist. There is severe voter suppression going on in SC and you keep defending it. No point in arguing with racists.

Now you're calling people racist? Get a fucking grip, dude.

i'm getting called dumb motherfucker by people trying to argue that SC doesn't have a voter ID law and that there is no voter suppression going on by the Republican party. Ok....

You probably got called that a lot during Bill's games when you threw an interception.

Haha, I think we can officially declare a winner.

Merkin Baller

I too am disappointed in the reaction

RP112579 said:

JP Losman said:

RP112579 said:

JP Losman said:

If you do not have a photo ID and do not have a reasonable impediment to obtaining one, or you forgot to bring it with you to the polls, you may still vote a provisional ballot. However, for your vote to be counted you must provide one of the photo IDs to the county election commission prior to certification of the election (usually the Thursday or Friday after the election).


You clearly are racist. There is severe voter suppression going on in SC and you keep defending it. No point in arguing with racists.

Now you're calling people racist? Get a fucking grip, dude.

i'm getting called dumb motherfucker by people trying to argue that SC doesn't have a voter ID law and that there is no voter suppression going on by the Republican party. Ok....

You probably got called that a lot during Bills games when you threw an interception.

#billsmafia

JP Losman

Merkin Baller said:

I too am disappointed in the reaction

RP112579 said:

JP Losman said:

RP112579 said:

JP Losman said:

If you do not have a photo ID and do not have a reasonable impediment to obtaining one, or you forgot to bring it with you to the polls, you may still vote a provisional ballot. However, for your vote to be counted you must provide one of the photo IDs to the county election commission prior to certification of the election (usually the Thursday or Friday after the election).


You clearly are racist. There is severe voter suppression going on in SC and you keep defending it. No point in arguing with racists.

Now you're calling people racist? Get a fucking grip, dude.

i'm getting called dumb motherfucker by people trying to argue that SC doesn't have a voter ID law and that there is no voter suppression going on by the Republican party. Ok....

You probably got called that a lot during Bills games when you threw an interception.

#billsmafia

Giddy up!

Bentleyspop

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PJ_Soul

Jason P said:

PJ_Soul said:

To be totally honest, i don't feel like the band should give a second thought to the travel expenses of those who booked non-refundable trips to attend their shows. I don't see that as the band's problem at all.

You are aware that the bands success and longevity depends on a fanbase who passionately travels to see them, often multiple shows per tour, correct? And that pre-planning is involved in that process as well?

I don't think their success and longevity depends on that small minority of fans who travel for shows. I think the people who travel for the shows are certainly the center of their own Pearl Jammy universe (not meant as an insult), but they aren't the center of the band's universe. Travelling to attend a show is entirely up to the fans and the decisions they make. PJ is not responsible for those decisions.

PJ_Soul

JP Losman said:

and don't act like that having those Voter ID laws do not act as a deterrent. Its bad policy. Its intended to suppress the black vote. And its done so by the state government. Its disgusting.

Now this I totally agree with you on................. why are we talking about Voter ID reform again?

PJ_Soul

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whitepants

walkunafraid said:

Logged on tonight (for the first time in a while) expecting to see PJ fans standing tall in solidarity with the band in its decision to cancel the show in North Carolina. Instead I've spent the last 20 minutes reading posts filled with anger, bitterness, insults, and otherwise (mostly) negative reactions to the decision.

Look, I get it. You had tickets to a concert of a band you love and rarely get to see, and you're upset that you won't get to have that experience now (at least not for the time being). Some of you even traveled from some distance away and spent gobs of money on hotels, car rentals, flights, etc. It sucks. It really does. And I understand the disappointment.

But you know what sucks worse? A bill that is disgustingly discriminatory and that threatens that rights of good people who are being treated like inferior citizens. A state government that feels that protecting basic rights is only important for citizens who it deems are worthy of its protection. A law that opens the door for bigots to get away with bigotry under full protection of a bigoted bill.
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Amen! Amen!!!!!

lolobugg

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

PJ_Soul said:

To be totally honest, i don't feel like the band should give a second thought to the travel expenses of those who booked non-refundable trips to attend their shows. I don't see that as the band's problem at all.

You are aware that the bands success and longevity depends on a fanbase who passionately travels to see them, often multiple shows per tour, correct? And that pre-planning is involved in that process as well?

I don't think their success and longevity depends on that small minority of fans who travel for shows. I think the people who travel for the shows are certainly the center of their own Pearl Jammy universe (not meant as an insult), but they aren't the center of the band's universe. Travelling to attend a show is entirely up to the fans and the decisions they make. PJ is not responsible for those decisions.

I resemble this remark.

MayDay10

I think that the "travelling fan" is a very significant portion of the fan base... In fact, every fan who I know/can think of has travelled a bunch to see them. Its not just this board either. 2 of my best friends in the 10c don't post and they are going all over this tour.

Would it be off base to say that a show like Raleigh would have been 1/4 out of towners?

lolobugg

MayDay10 said:

I think that the "travelling fan" is a very significant portion of the fan base... In fact, every fan who I know/can think of has travelled a bunch to see them. Its not just this board either. 2 of my best friends in the 10c don't post and they are going all over this tour.

Would it be off base to say that a show like Raleigh would have been 1/4 out of towners?

I would say that you correct

Jason P

MayDay10 said:

I think that the "travelling fan" is a very significant portion of the fan base... In fact, every fan who I know/can think of has travelled a bunch to see them. Its not just this board either. 2 of my best friends in the 10c don't post and they are going all over this tour.

Would it be off base to say that a show like Raleigh would have been 1/4 out of towners?

I think the Lexington show will be an even higher percentage of out of towners as it's the only midwest show in the early leg. I've got around a 6 hour drive next week.

God forbid that Kentucky passes some law on something I've never even thought about before in the next several days ...

MayDay10

yeah, for sure there are shows that have higher %es of travellers... Like Moline. what like 95%? Hah!

But the band, 10c is/was well aware of people travelling. Not arguing for or against the cancellation decision. There is even a crazy Greek guy they see everywhere

I don't see them doing this again. I think it mostly had to do with a perfect storm of timing with the law being fresh and Bruce having done it a week or 2 earlier.... however, it sounded like EV gave a warning to SC and MI yesterday at the show.

PJ_Soul

MayDay10 said:

I think that the "travelling fan" is a very significant portion of the fan base... In fact, every fan who I know/can think of has travelled a bunch to see them. Its not just this board either. 2 of my best friends in the 10c don't post and they are going all over this tour.

Would it be off base to say that a show like Raleigh would have been 1/4 out of towners?

Yes, without any evidence whatsoever, it would be off base to say that. No one will ever really know. But I feel like since we are on the "inside", i.e. the megafans vs the normals, lol, the whole thing seems much much more pronounced to us than it probably actually is. But at any rate, either way, Pearl Jam is not responsible for those decisions the fans make about travelling.

StevieG

Can we get back on topic please? Shit eating and sheep

bootlegger10

PJ_Soul said:

MayDay10 said:

I think that the "travelling fan" is a very significant portion of the fan base... In fact, every fan who I know/can think of has travelled a bunch to see them. Its not just this board either. 2 of my best friends in the 10c don't post and they are going all over this tour.

Would it be off base to say that a show like Raleigh would have been 1/4 out of towners?

Yes, without any evidence whatsoever, it would be off base to say that. No one will ever really know. But I feel like since we are on the "inside", i.e. the megafans vs the normals, lol, the whole thing seems much much more pronounced to us than it probably actually is. But at any rate, either way, Pearl Jam is not responsible for those decisions the fans make about travelling.

You don't have evidence to support your position either. Pearl Jam knows it has a significant fan base that travels to their shows. You know it. I know it. Pearl Jam knows it. At least give an inch on something.

PJ_Soul

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

MayDay10 said:

I think that the "travelling fan" is a very significant portion of the fan base... In fact, every fan who I know/can think of has travelled a bunch to see them. Its not just this board either. 2 of my best friends in the 10c don't post and they are going all over this tour.

Would it be off base to say that a show like Raleigh would have been 1/4 out of towners?

Yes, without any evidence whatsoever, it would be off base to say that. No one will ever really know. But I feel like since we are on the "inside", i.e. the megafans vs the normals, lol, the whole thing seems much much more pronounced to us than it probably actually is. But at any rate, either way, Pearl Jam is not responsible for those decisions the fans make about travelling.

You don't have evidence to support your position either. Pearl Jam knows it has a significant fan base that travels to their shows. You know it. I know it. Pearl Jam knows it. At least give an inch on something.

I know i don't, but that's why i said we'll never really know (but it's not that many. 1/4 per show?? Doubt it). It's got nothing to do with what I am really saying though. No matter how few or many, these people's personal travel arrangements aren't PJ's responsibility in any way. I won't give an inch on it because I don't believe it. I think to expect that is asking too much of the band.

MayDay10

Travel arrangements aren't their responsibility, but a shit ton of people do travel to these shows

wall232

We've beaten this thing to death. Let's get back to talking about the awesomeness that was Greenville and the rest of the tour.

bootlegger10

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

MayDay10 said:

I think that the "travelling fan" is a very significant portion of the fan base... In fact, every fan who I know/can think of has travelled a bunch to see them. Its not just this board either. 2 of my best friends in the 10c don't post and they are going all over this tour.

Would it be off base to say that a show like Raleigh would have been 1/4 out of towners?

Yes, without any evidence whatsoever, it would be off base to say that. No one will ever really know. But I feel like since we are on the "inside", i.e. the megafans vs the normals, lol, the whole thing seems much much more pronounced to us than it probably actually is. But at any rate, either way, Pearl Jam is not responsible for those decisions the fans make about travelling.

You don't have evidence to support your position either. Pearl Jam knows it has a significant fan base that travels to their shows. You know it. I know it. Pearl Jam knows it. At least give an inch on something.

I know i don't, but that's why i said we'll never really know (but it's not that many. 1/4 per show?? Doubt it). It's got nothing to do with what I am really saying though. No matter how few or many, these people's personal travel arrangements aren't PJ's responsibility in any way. I won't give an inch on it because I don't believe it. I think to expect that is asking too much of the band.

We can agree to disagree. I don't think it is unreasonable that 25% are traveling. People from Charlotte, people from bordering states, people from Durham, etc.... Not all of them are buying airplane tickets but you have to remember that a Pearl Jam show in Raleigh will attract a lot of people within a 3-5 hour drive who are booking hotel rooms and taking days off from work. I agree that Pearl Jam shouldn't refund those travel costs, but you would have to be a pretty cold individual to think that Pearl Jam shouldn't take into account traveling fans in whether they should play the show or not. I wouldn't want to be your client if you ran a business with that attitude. "Yeah, I know I was supposed to manufacture 1,000 widgets for this customer, but I don't feel like working today so I am not going to. Yeah, they may go out of business because they won't meet their delivery deadlines with their customers for the product they put the widget on, but the financial impact to me is pretty minor for just a 1,000 widgets. How am I supposed to know that they have a deadline to get the product? They shouldn't expect that I will come through on my end of the contract. Their fault for not buying insurance."

It really is ironic how personal responsibility only goes one direction with you. 15,000 people can all decide to congregate in Raleigh, but they shouldn't have expected the band to play minus any personal injury, weather, or venue issue. I don't quite understand how 15,000 people could be so wrong expecting the band to play the show, and the 5 people that invited the 15,000 are allowed to do whatever the hell they want and you support them for it. Me....I'll side with the 15,000 because I live in the real world where you work hard to make a living and have certain expectations when someone asks you to pay them for a service and you do pay them, that they honor it.