Disappointed in PJ Fans Today

walkunafraid

patkelly12 said:

So what I take from this thread is that the band can't be expected to protest all the time. Just when Clooney & Co think it's a good time to protest. That's not sheepish at all.

The band should protest whatever they want, whenever they want, and however they want. Their political actions and beliefs are not less important than their supposed obligation to fans. If you are unhappy with their decision, stop buying their records, stop going to shows, stop paying for fan club membership, etc. Just as they have a right to do as they please, so do you have a right to do as you please. It has nothing to do with being sheep-like. For instance, you criticizing their decision after a shitload of other fans on here have done the same would make you a sheep by your own definition. Hell, let's just call everyone who participated in the March on Washington and other protests during the Civil Rights movement sheep, too -- I mean, the vast majority of them wouldn't have protested on their own if others hadn't started a protest and built momentum for it first. How many political or social movements have succeeded without a) people beginning a movement; and b) others following and lending support to that movement? This whole "sheep" thing is getting ridiculous.

bootlegger10

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BE257117 said:

The ironic part of all of this is that the band just got done with a South American tour, where many countries have laws and cultures that are exponentially more repressive to the LGBT community and other minority groups such as women.

So?

So maybe you don't cancel on fans at the last minute if you have a history of playing concerts in places that have repressive laws.

People who bought tickets to this show, purchased air fare, purchased hotel rooms etc. are more than allowed to be PISSED! And they certainly don't need some "holier than thou", "all knowing" fans on this board to rub their noses in it. You have been right all along bootlegger10, it was complete HORSESHIT that they waiting until the last minute to cancel this show.

Thanks. I love this band and think the band members are all great people and bring a lot of light into the world, but in this instance I think they were very wrong and have emailed the 10c my opinion (in a nicer tone of course) so that there is a chance the band will find out that not everyone agrees with how they handled this. Everyone has a circle they run with and I'm sure theirs would look down on them for playing the show. I know it won't mean anything and will probably hit the trash folder in about the same time it took the interest in the band's bank accounts to make up for the lost earnings at Raleigh, but I had to get it off my chest. We'll see where my next fan club ticket seats are at. Better bring some tissues for that nose bleed!

Vedd Hedd

Dude....its a fucking concert. People's rights are at stake, they made a stand, it sucks for those that had tickets to the show.

But its a fucking concert. A CONCERT. 3 hours of music.

North carolina is beautiful. Spend the day on vacation with your friends, enjoy the sites. Jesus H, people are talking about suing the band?? This is over the edge, for a group of fans known for being over the edge. My god, have some perspective.

I genuinely feel bad for those that were excited for the concert....but its a fucking concert.

We are talking about 3 hours of entertainment here. Yes, the anticipation and the build up made this anlet down. But seriously....actual quotes....."we were used as pawns." "Pj doesnt give a shit about their fans". Wow, get over yourselves. This is some serious privileged lunacy here.

Fucking lawsuits...

walkunafraid

bootlegger10 said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BE257117 said:

The ironic part of all of this is that the band just got done with a South American tour, where many countries have laws and cultures that are exponentially more repressive to the LGBT community and other minority groups such as women.

So?

So maybe you don't cancel on fans at the last minute if you have a history of playing concerts in places that have repressive laws.

People who bought tickets to this show, purchased air fare, purchased hotel rooms etc. are more than allowed to be PISSED! And they certainly don't need some "holier than thou", "all knowing" fans on this board to rub their noses in it. You have been right all along bootlegger10, it was complete HORSESHIT that they waiting until the last minute to cancel this show.

Thanks. I love this band and think the band members are all great people and bring a lot of light into the world, but in this instance I think they were very wrong and have emailed the 10c my opinion (in a nicer tone of course) so that there is a chance the band will find out that not everyone agrees with how they handled this. Everyone has a circle they run with and I'm sure theirs would look down on them for playing the show. I know it won't mean anything and will probably hit the trash folder in about the same time it took the interest in the band's bank accounts to make up for the lost earnings at Raleigh, but I had to get it off my chest. We'll see where my next fan club ticket seats are at. Better bring some tissues for that nose bleed!

Eh, you really think the band didn't realize that a shitload of their fans would be upset and disagree with the cancellation without you sending an email?

Vedd Hedd

walkunafraid said:

bootlegger10 said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BE257117 said:

The ironic part of all of this is that the band just got done with a South American tour, where many countries have laws and cultures that are exponentially more repressive to the LGBT community and other minority groups such as women.

So?

So maybe you don't cancel on fans at the last minute if you have a history of playing concerts in places that have repressive laws.

People who bought tickets to this show, purchased air fare, purchased hotel rooms etc. are more than allowed to be PISSED! And they certainly don't need some "holier than thou", "all knowing" fans on this board to rub their noses in it. You have been right all along bootlegger10, it was complete HORSESHIT that they waiting until the last minute to cancel this show.

Thanks. I love this band and think the band members are all great people and bring a lot of light into the world, but in this instance I think they were very wrong and have emailed the 10c my opinion (in a nicer tone of course) so that there is a chance the band will find out that not everyone agrees with how they handled this. Everyone has a circle they run with and I'm sure theirs would look down on them for playing the show. I know it won't mean anything and will probably hit the trash folder in about the same time it took the interest in the band's bank accounts to make up for the lost earnings at Raleigh, but I had to get it off my chest. We'll see where my next fan club ticket seats are at. Better bring some tissues for that nose bleed!

Eh, you really think the band didn't realize that a shitload of their fans would be upset and disagree with the cancellation without you sending an email?

Exactly, and the timing of this does stink. But some people have completely lost their shit here.

bootlegger10

walkunafraid said:

bootlegger10 said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BE257117 said:

The ironic part of all of this is that the band just got done with a South American tour, where many countries have laws and cultures that are exponentially more repressive to the LGBT community and other minority groups such as women.

So?

So maybe you don't cancel on fans at the last minute if you have a history of playing concerts in places that have repressive laws.

People who bought tickets to this show, purchased air fare, purchased hotel rooms etc. are more than allowed to be PISSED! And they certainly don't need some "holier than thou", "all knowing" fans on this board to rub their noses in it. You have been right all along bootlegger10, it was complete HORSESHIT that they waiting until the last minute to cancel this show.

Thanks. I love this band and think the band members are all great people and bring a lot of light into the world, but in this instance I think they were very wrong and have emailed the 10c my opinion (in a nicer tone of course) so that there is a chance the band will find out that not everyone agrees with how they handled this. Everyone has a circle they run with and I'm sure theirs would look down on them for playing the show. I know it won't mean anything and will probably hit the trash folder in about the same time it took the interest in the band's bank accounts to make up for the lost earnings at Raleigh, but I had to get it off my chest. We'll see where my next fan club ticket seats are at. Better bring some tissues for that nose bleed!

Eh, you really think the band didn't realize that a shitload of their fans would be upset and disagree with the cancellation without you sending an email?

I was also asking for a refund of my Columbia tickets at the same time.

SVRDhand13

Vedd Hedd said:

Dude....its a fucking concert. People's rights are at stake, they made a stand, it sucks for those that had tickets to the show.

But its a fucking concert. A CONCERT. 3 hours of music.

North carolina is beautiful. Spend the day on vacation with your friends, enjoy the sites. Jesus H, people are talking about suing the band?? This is over the edge, for a group of fans known for being over the edge. My god, have some perspective.

I genuinely feel bad for those that were excited for the concert....but its a fucking concert.

We are talking about 3 hours of entertainment here. Yes, the anticipation and the build up made this anlet down. But seriously....actual quotes....."we were used as pawns." "Pj doesnt give a shit about their fans". Wow, get over yourselves. This is some serious privileged lunacy here.

Fucking lawsuits...

replace "practice" with "concert"

bootlegger10

Vedd Hedd said:

Dude....its a fucking concert. People's rights are at stake, they made a stand, it sucks for those that had tickets to the show.

But its a fucking concert. A CONCERT. 3 hours of music.

North carolina is beautiful. Spend the day on vacation with your friends, enjoy the sites. Jesus H, people are talking about suing the band?? This is over the edge, for a group of fans known for being over the edge. My god, have some perspective.

I genuinely feel bad for those that were excited for the concert....but its a fucking concert.

We are talking about 3 hours of entertainment here. Yes, the anticipation and the build up made this anlet down. But seriously....actual quotes....."we were used as pawns." "Pj doesnt give a shit about their fans". Wow, get over yourselves. This is some serious privileged lunacy here.

Fucking lawsuits...

No, 15,000 people were impacted by their decision. This wasn't some small thing you make it out to be. 5 people took it upon themselves to unilaterally make a last minute decision that impacted 15,000 people negatively, when the opposite decision wouldn't have impacted 15,000 people negatively, and wouldn't have been seen as support for the stupid law.

I'm not going to sue the band. That is stupid. But I don't believe this is "just a concert" either, otherwise PJ canceling it wouldn't have been a big deal. Obviously a concert is not life/death, but you try to get 15,000 people to show up to a venue (and some coming from across the country and the world) for something that isn't a big deal.

To me it is not really about the concert, it is about peoples' time and money. It is about showing respect to your fans, especially the traveling fans.

MayDay10

People's rights weren't at stake either. If they were actually at stake, I would applaud.

This was a pointless action

PJ_Soul

18th Pale Descendant said:

"To be totally honest, i don't feel like the band should give a second thought to the travel expenses of those who booked non-refundable trips to attend their shows. I don't see that as the band's problem at all."

. . . said the troll.

Lol. I'm not a troll. I just don't feel like the band should have to worry about travel plans made by people. If the show had been arranged and advertised as a destination show that included travel packages or something I would think it's something they should be considering when making decisions.

StevieG

I would like to reiterate, Pearl Jam could shit on a plate and most people on here would gobble it all up

walkunafraid

StevieG said:

I would like to reiterate, Pearl Jam could shit on a plate and most people on here would gobble it all up

And Ed could fall into a coma and there would be plenty of people on here pissed about his action and insisting that he should go on with the show anyway.

Vedd Hedd

Oh my god....i just thought about this.....wtf are people going to do without their stickers???

walkunafraid

Vedd Hedd said:

Oh my god....i just thought about this.....wtf are people going to do without their stickers???

Riot and/or sue the band, most likely.

StevieG

walkunafraid said:

StevieG said:

I would like to reiterate, Pearl Jam could shit on a plate and most people on here would gobble it all up

And Ed could fall into a coma and there would be plenty of people on here pissed about his action and insisting that he should go on with the show anyway.

You'd likely ask for a second helping. Bahahaha

walkunafraid

StevieG said:

walkunafraid said:

StevieG said:

I would like to reiterate, Pearl Jam could shit on a plate and most people on here would gobble it all up

And Ed could fall into a coma and there would be plenty of people on here pissed about his action and insisting that he should go on with the show anyway.

You'd likely ask for a second helping. Bahahaha

"Bahahaha" and shit jokes...well I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your tantrum about the cancellation, those kind of things are to be expected from teenage boys.

StevieG

Are you discriminating against teenage boys? Teenage boys have a right to make shit jokes

walkunafraid

StevieG said:

Are you discriminating against teenage boys? Teenage boys have a right to make shit jokes

Oh, I definitely agree, it's part of maturing into adulthood. Have fun with that.

patkelly12

walkunafraid said:

patkelly12 said:

So what I take from this thread is that the band can't be expected to protest all the time. Just when Clooney & Co think it's a good time to protest. That's not sheepish at all.

The band should protest whatever they want, whenever they want, and however they want. Their political actions and beliefs are not less important than their supposed obligation to fans. If you are unhappy with their decision, stop buying their records, stop going to shows, stop paying for fan club membership, etc. Just as they have a right to do as they please, so do you have a right to do as you please. It has nothing to do with being sheep-like. For instance, you criticizing their decision after a shitload of other fans on here have done the same would make you a sheep by your own definition. Hell, let's just call everyone who participated in the March on Washington and other protests during the Civil Rights movement sheep, too -- I mean, the vast majority of them wouldn't have protested on their own if others hadn't started a protest and built momentum for it first. How many political or social movements have succeeded without a) people beginning a movement; and b) others following and lending support to that movement? This whole "sheep" thing is getting ridiculous.

When you do something to fit in (PJ has been wanted to be accepted by Hollywood for years now), you're a sheep. Just curious why they people of South Africa don't matter?. Like previous posters have already mentioned their record specifically on LGBTQ is lacking (fairly certain worse than NC - among other things). Again why doesn't the LGBTQ community in South Africa matter? Is it because the "cool kids" weren't really into that back then. Maybe it was lions or climate change. Sorry, folks - that's just bad timing. We can only be consumed with one shiny object at a time (until the next shinier one comes along). Thank God Clooney & Co are around to lead the way or who knows where the band would wind up.

jeffwalsh

StevieG said:

I would like to reiterate, Pearl Jam could shit on a plate and most people on here would gobble it all up

Said the self-professed regurgitator. ;-)