Trump's rally in Chicago stopped due to protests
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gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.0 -
And this is what his fans/misguided followers rally around.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
You feel the same as them.0 -
I knew you weren't preaching, but I did think that someone who didn't know you better might think so.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
I think he has passed beyond saying what he thinks (that's bad enough lol) and into the realm of saying what he thinks (knows) people want to hear.
That makes him every bit the mainstream politician he claims (and his followers believe) not to be.
I have been loving the parentheses lately, it seems to me they are underutilized, commas get all the love, but interjecting a thought with parentheses seems cleaner. Really puts you into a quick aside...
Da' Maniac.Post edited by rgambs onMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?0 -
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.Free said:
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?___________________________________________
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Agreed there is a difference. But I'm not sure why feeling free to say something socially or morally unacceptable is something to be admired. Yelling the N word is certainly un-PC, but that's not a good thing either.JimmyV said:
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.Free said:
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?0 -
oy veyJimmyV said:
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.Free said:
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
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No idea what you are trying to communicate here.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
oy veyJimmyV said:
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.Free said:
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
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I am as crystal clear as saying I appreciate that trump says what he thinks PC or not but despise everything else about him.JimmyV said:
No idea what you are trying to communicate here.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
oy veyJimmyV said:
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.Free said:
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
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Thank you.JimmyV said:
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.Free said:
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
PJFan (and anyone else, while we're at at), it's cool if you want to assume how I feel. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.0 -
the guy uses twitter like a 13 year old... claims on twitter that the stage rusher is tied to ISIS. and his poorly educated supporters believe that nonsense and run with it. who makes that up and puts it on social media? what a fucking lowlife.0
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He misspoke.rustneversleeps said:the guy uses twitter like a 13 year old... claims on twitter that the stage rusher is tied to ISIS. and his poorly educated supporters believe that nonsense and run with it. who makes that up and puts it on social media? what a fucking lowlife.
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Ok, I was looking at it differently, clarification appreciated.JimmyV said:
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.Free said:
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?0 -
oh, my bad.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
He misspoke.rustneversleeps said:the guy uses twitter like a 13 year old... claims on twitter that the stage rusher is tied to ISIS. and his poorly educated supporters believe that nonsense and run with it. who makes that up and puts it on social media? what a fucking lowlife.
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I don't think what happened in Chicago is an indication we need Trump to continue, and I don't think BLM is going to get him elected. But I do agree that the protest shutting down that rally isn't something to be celebrated.mrussel1 said:Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
Let people speak. Voice your opposition. Donald Trump is not that hard to discredit.___________________________________________
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So do you think Trump bears any responsibility for some of the things he says and how his supporters react?hedonist said:
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
Exactlymrussel1 said:
Agreed there is a difference. But I'm not sure why feeling free to say something socially or morally unacceptable is something to be admired. Yelling the N word is certainly un-PC, but that's not a good thing either.JimmyV said:
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.Free said:
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?0 -
This kind of thing is only going to get worse. How many here would celebrate if Trump supporters showed up at a Sanders rally in a similar effort? They would be widely condemned, correct? And they would deserve to be. This is not how our political process is supposed to unfold.___________________________________________
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I'm with you. I don't agree with each point, but we have to maintain the moral high ground. That's the most important part of the Trump phenomenon.JimmyV said:
I don't think what happened in Chicago is an indication we need Trump to continue, and I don't think BLM is going to get him elected. But I do agree that the protest shutting down that rally isn't something to be celebrated.mrussel1 said:Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
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Cool.Free said:
Ok, I was looking at it differently, clarification appreciated.JimmyV said:
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.Free said:
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support.hedonist said:gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."0
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