Trump's rally in Chicago stopped due to protests
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I always thought as a nation we get what we deserve. The dr called for trump medicine, take your trump medicine and stop crying.0
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It won't happen unless this forum makes a stand and shuts down trump threads.Free said:
But we treat them the same. Like that Trump thread that got closed; people love to bust on Trump. We cannot seem to ignore him as a country, we all love to hate him, EVERYONE talks about him. Now, what would happen if everybody just started to ignore him?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Except Trump isn't a cyberspace avatar.Free said:
Which makes me realize that Trump probably loves this. If we treat him like a troll and just ignore him, rather then feed him, we would beat him much faster.mrussel1 said:
I'm with you. I don't agree with each point, but we have to maintain the moral high ground. That's the most important part of the Trump phenomenon.JimmyV said:
I don't think what happened in Chicago is an indication we need Trump to continue, and I don't think BLM is going to get him elected. But I do agree that the protest shutting down that rally isn't something to be celebrated.mrussel1 said:Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
Let people speak. Voice your opposition. Donald Trump is not that hard to discredit.
He is real.0 -
50,000 people signed a petition to keep him out...that's *Some "we the people"...mrussel1 said:
no...it's not 'we the people'. Your assumption is that those protesters spoke for everyone. They didn't. They spoke for themselves. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But it was protester v. supporter. How can you possess so much hubris that you (the protesters) speak for all? Just like Trump doesn't speak for all white people, those protesters don't speak for Chicago or all Progressives.Free said:
See, the problem with these kind of articles, is that they still divide. It's not the "protesters" that shut down his rally, it's We, the People; the people of Chicago that rejects Trump. Continuing to see this crisis as a us versus them mentality doesn't exactly help the problem, it just makes it worse.mrussel1 said:Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
Why aren't we acknowledging this as a people versus politics kind of perspective, not a protester versus supporter problem. Obviously there were more people that are against this person then are and support . It's a public event, and the public spoke.
And I didn't see anyone mention the pepper spraying of the demonstrators in Kansas City, MO Saturday night. Hello, it's also a police problem. Those demonstrators as you will see in the video were peaceful. This all just proves that there will be more of the continuing in the future.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMKcrhT0WI
And yes, I saw the KC thing. It was pretty shitty. I have no idea why those cops pulled that crap. Looked like what happened at Cal Berkley a few years ago.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
It's an observation. There were enough protesters to cause enough chaos to jeopardize the candidate's security. It's not just protesters versus supporters, it's protesters versus the MAN inciting the hatred and violence. When is enough going to be enough?mrussel1 said:
no...it's not 'we the people'. Your assumption is that those protesters spoke for everyone. They didn't. They spoke for themselves. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But it was protester v. supporter. How can you possess so much hubris that you (the protesters) speak for all? Just like Trump doesn't speak for all white people, those protesters don't speak for Chicago or all Progressives.Free said:
See, the problem with these kind of articles, is that they still divide. It's not the "protesters" that shut down his rally, it's We, the People; the people of Chicago that rejects Trump. Continuing to see this crisis as a us versus them mentality doesn't exactly help the problem, it just makes it worse.mrussel1 said:Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
Why aren't we acknowledging this as a people versus politics kind of perspective, not a protester versus supporter problem. Obviously there were more people that are against this person then are and support . It's a public event, and the public spoke.
And I didn't see anyone mention the pepper spraying of the demonstrators in Kansas City, MO Saturday night. Hello, it's also a police problem. Those demonstrators as you will see in the video were peaceful. This all just proves that there will be more of the continuing in the future.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMKcrhT0WI
And yes, I saw the KC thing. It was pretty shitty. I have no idea why those cops pulled that crap. Looked like what happened at Cal Berkley a few years ago.
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That thread got shut down because it was getting very, very personal. Kat had to step in several times and then a few people started taking cheap shots at Hillary's personal appearance and it was over right then.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It won't happen unless this forum makes a stand and shuts down trump threads.Free said:
But we treat them the same. Like that Trump thread that got closed; people love to bust on Trump. We cannot seem to ignore him as a country, we all love to hate him, EVERYONE talks about him. Now, what would happen if everybody just started to ignore him?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Except Trump isn't a cyberspace avatar.Free said:
Which makes me realize that Trump probably loves this. If we treat him like a troll and just ignore him, rather then feed him, we would beat him much faster.mrussel1 said:
I'm with you. I don't agree with each point, but we have to maintain the moral high ground. That's the most important part of the Trump phenomenon.JimmyV said:
I don't think what happened in Chicago is an indication we need Trump to continue, and I don't think BLM is going to get him elected. But I do agree that the protest shutting down that rally isn't something to be celebrated.mrussel1 said:Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
Let people speak. Voice your opposition. Donald Trump is not that hard to discredit.
He is real.0 -
It's his right to hold a private rally for which he paid. We show enough is enough by rising above it and supporting the Democratic candidate. That will banish Trump to the historical footnotes.Free said:
It's an observation. There were enough protesters to cause enough chaos to jeopardize the candidate's security. It's not just protesters versus supporters, it's protesters versus the MAN inciting the hatred and violence. When is enough going to be enough?mrussel1 said:
no...it's not 'we the people'. Your assumption is that those protesters spoke for everyone. They didn't. They spoke for themselves. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But it was protester v. supporter. How can you possess so much hubris that you (the protesters) speak for all? Just like Trump doesn't speak for all white people, those protesters don't speak for Chicago or all Progressives.Free said:
See, the problem with these kind of articles, is that they still divide. It's not the "protesters" that shut down his rally, it's We, the People; the people of Chicago that rejects Trump. Continuing to see this crisis as a us versus them mentality doesn't exactly help the problem, it just makes it worse.mrussel1 said:Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
Why aren't we acknowledging this as a people versus politics kind of perspective, not a protester versus supporter problem. Obviously there were more people that are against this person then are and support . It's a public event, and the public spoke.
And I didn't see anyone mention the pepper spraying of the demonstrators in Kansas City, MO Saturday night. Hello, it's also a police problem. Those demonstrators as you will see in the video were peaceful. This all just proves that there will be more of the continuing in the future.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMKcrhT0WI
And yes, I saw the KC thing. It was pretty shitty. I have no idea why those cops pulled that crap. Looked like what happened at Cal Berkley a few years ago.0 -
Boom goes the dynamitemrussel1 said:
It's his right to hold a private rally for which he paid. We show enough is enough by rising above it and supporting the Democratic candidate. That will banish Trump to the historical footnotes.Free said:
It's an observation. There were enough protesters to cause enough chaos to jeopardize the candidate's security. It's not just protesters versus supporters, it's protesters versus the MAN inciting the hatred and violence. When is enough going to be enough?mrussel1 said:
no...it's not 'we the people'. Your assumption is that those protesters spoke for everyone. They didn't. They spoke for themselves. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But it was protester v. supporter. How can you possess so much hubris that you (the protesters) speak for all? Just like Trump doesn't speak for all white people, those protesters don't speak for Chicago or all Progressives.Free said:
See, the problem with these kind of articles, is that they still divide. It's not the "protesters" that shut down his rally, it's We, the People; the people of Chicago that rejects Trump. Continuing to see this crisis as a us versus them mentality doesn't exactly help the problem, it just makes it worse.mrussel1 said:Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
Why aren't we acknowledging this as a people versus politics kind of perspective, not a protester versus supporter problem. Obviously there were more people that are against this person then are and support . It's a public event, and the public spoke.
And I didn't see anyone mention the pepper spraying of the demonstrators in Kansas City, MO Saturday night. Hello, it's also a police problem. Those demonstrators as you will see in the video were peaceful. This all just proves that there will be more of the continuing in the future.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMKcrhT0WI
And yes, I saw the KC thing. It was pretty shitty. I have no idea why those cops pulled that crap. Looked like what happened at Cal Berkley a few years ago.0 -
Rise above all and support BernieJC29856 said:
Boom goes the dynamitemrussel1 said:
It's his right to hold a private rally for which he paid. We show enough is enough by rising above it and supporting the Democratic candidate. That will banish Trump to the historical footnotes.Free said:
It's an observation. There were enough protesters to cause enough chaos to jeopardize the candidate's security. It's not just protesters versus supporters, it's protesters versus the MAN inciting the hatred and violence. When is enough going to be enough?mrussel1 said:
no...it's not 'we the people'. Your assumption is that those protesters spoke for everyone. They didn't. They spoke for themselves. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But it was protester v. supporter. How can you possess so much hubris that you (the protesters) speak for all? Just like Trump doesn't speak for all white people, those protesters don't speak for Chicago or all Progressives.Free said:
See, the problem with these kind of articles, is that they still divide. It's not the "protesters" that shut down his rally, it's We, the People; the people of Chicago that rejects Trump. Continuing to see this crisis as a us versus them mentality doesn't exactly help the problem, it just makes it worse.mrussel1 said:Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
Why aren't we acknowledging this as a people versus politics kind of perspective, not a protester versus supporter problem. Obviously there were more people that are against this person then are and support . It's a public event, and the public spoke.
And I didn't see anyone mention the pepper spraying of the demonstrators in Kansas City, MO Saturday night. Hello, it's also a police problem. Those demonstrators as you will see in the video were peaceful. This all just proves that there will be more of the continuing in the future.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMKcrhT0WI
And yes, I saw the KC thing. It was pretty shitty. I have no idea why those cops pulled that crap. Looked like what happened at Cal Berkley a few years ago.
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That all sounds great until you dig deeper.Shawshank said:I'm a white guy living in Texas...does it make me a racist if I support Trump's view on illegal immigration? Let me follow by saying I have a step brother that is Hispanic...a step sister that is Hispanic...connect the dots and now you realize that I have at least one step parent that is Hispanic. I also have a son-in-law who is African American. In other words, my family is pretty fucking diverse.
My view on the proposed wall is...it's actually racist and shows your full support of modern day slavery if you don't support immigration reform. And you are positively in denial...or just plain stupid...if you don't see that.
Why you ask? It's racist because the people that suffer the most are those that are coming from Mexico and South America. This isn't about the hillbilly rednecks who want to keep the "brown" guys out. It's about modern slavery. It's slavery because everyone that buys their tomatoes and other produce from the grocery store, has a house built, has a lawn mowed, and just about anything else requiring hard, manual labor, etc. etc. is doing so on the very backs of these poor people that come to this country wanting more.
You think these people are risking their lives to come here to make fifty fucking cents for every 32lbs of tomatoes they pick? How is this not slavery?!?!? How is this not racist?!?!? You think they come here brimming with excitement to work from 4am to 8pm to pick the produce you put on your sandwiches, salads, smoothies or whatever the fuck else you're loading it up on while their kids are either home alone or God knows where else all day?? But who are they going to complain to when they are here illegally??? As long as our border allows for an unfettered flow of cheap labor, NOTHING will stop these people from being abused.
You think it's fair and just that big companies like Facebook, Disney, Apple, etc. can just bring in low paid foreign workers just so the greedy bastards can save an average of $13,000 per displaced American worker? How is that not racist? Where is the fucking outrage there??? And yes, I am fully aware that H1B visa workers are required by law to be paid the same wage as other workers with similar skills. The reality however, is that it's been found most of these workers in the tech industry for example, are paid about $13,000 less than their American counterparts, for the same fucking job! Please tell me how this is not racism at it's very core??
Trump, for all his buffoonery, has actually come up with the best possible solution to this problem. Secure the border, vet the incoming immigrants, and make it easier to become a legal citizen. Only a complete asshole could be against having those measures in place.
Why would you not try to secure the southern border and maybe inhibit both drug and human trafficking? Why would you not verify those wishing to enter the country legally? Who in their right mind just wants anyone and everyone, no questions asked, felons, drug dealers and rapists I believe he called them...to just enter freely? How fucking stupid are you to support that? How does that help the immigrants coming here with families, looking to this country for hope, to have that shitty element following them here? And how could you not want a plan that makes it easier to come here legally?
So before you start throwing around racism, you should take a look at what you support, probably on a daily basis, that contributes to keeping immigrant workers in the steerage class of our society and enables a slave labor force that hasn't been seen in this country since the 1850's. If you don't see how reforming our immigration policies and securing our border doesn't benefit these people and everyone else for that matter, then you are truly lost.
The cost of the wall
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html
The cost to deport
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34789502
The reality of how this could play out.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/13/donald-trumps-success-good-immigration-reform/81652440/0 -
Wait a minute... I'm being serious here. Does Trump have a pathway to citizenship plan? I think that's implied in Shawshank's post.dignin said:
That all sounds great until you dig deeper.Shawshank said:I'm a white guy living in Texas...does it make me a racist if I support Trump's view on illegal immigration? Let me follow by saying I have a step brother that is Hispanic...a step sister that is Hispanic...connect the dots and now you realize that I have at least one step parent that is Hispanic. I also have a son-in-law who is African American. In other words, my family is pretty fucking diverse.
My view on the proposed wall is...it's actually racist and shows your full support of modern day slavery if you don't support immigration reform. And you are positively in denial...or just plain stupid...if you don't see that.
Why you ask? It's racist because the people that suffer the most are those that are coming from Mexico and South America. This isn't about the hillbilly rednecks who want to keep the "brown" guys out. It's about modern slavery. It's slavery because everyone that buys their tomatoes and other produce from the grocery store, has a house built, has a lawn mowed, and just about anything else requiring hard, manual labor, etc. etc. is doing so on the very backs of these poor people that come to this country wanting more.
You think these people are risking their lives to come here to make fifty fucking cents for every 32lbs of tomatoes they pick? How is this not slavery?!?!? How is this not racist?!?!? You think they come here brimming with excitement to work from 4am to 8pm to pick the produce you put on your sandwiches, salads, smoothies or whatever the fuck else you're loading it up on while their kids are either home alone or God knows where else all day?? But who are they going to complain to when they are here illegally??? As long as our border allows for an unfettered flow of cheap labor, NOTHING will stop these people from being abused.
You think it's fair and just that big companies like Facebook, Disney, Apple, etc. can just bring in low paid foreign workers just so the greedy bastards can save an average of $13,000 per displaced American worker? How is that not racist? Where is the fucking outrage there??? And yes, I am fully aware that H1B visa workers are required by law to be paid the same wage as other workers with similar skills. The reality however, is that it's been found most of these workers in the tech industry for example, are paid about $13,000 less than their American counterparts, for the same fucking job! Please tell me how this is not racism at it's very core??
Trump, for all his buffoonery, has actually come up with the best possible solution to this problem. Secure the border, vet the incoming immigrants, and make it easier to become a legal citizen. Only a complete asshole could be against having those measures in place.
Why would you not try to secure the southern border and maybe inhibit both drug and human trafficking? Why would you not verify those wishing to enter the country legally? Who in their right mind just wants anyone and everyone, no questions asked, felons, drug dealers and rapists I believe he called them...to just enter freely? How fucking stupid are you to support that? How does that help the immigrants coming here with families, looking to this country for hope, to have that shitty element following them here? And how could you not want a plan that makes it easier to come here legally?
So before you start throwing around racism, you should take a look at what you support, probably on a daily basis, that contributes to keeping immigrant workers in the steerage class of our society and enables a slave labor force that hasn't been seen in this country since the 1850's. If you don't see how reforming our immigration policies and securing our border doesn't benefit these people and everyone else for that matter, then you are truly lost.
The cost of the wall
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html
The cost to deport
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34789502
The reality of how this could play out.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/13/donald-trumps-success-good-immigration-reform/81652440/0 -
Maybe, probably depends on the day and who he's talking too.mrussel1 said:
Wait a minute... I'm being serious here. Does Trump have a pathway to citizenship plan? I think that's implied in Shawshank's post.dignin said:
That all sounds great until you dig deeper.Shawshank said:I'm a white guy living in Texas...does it make me a racist if I support Trump's view on illegal immigration? Let me follow by saying I have a step brother that is Hispanic...a step sister that is Hispanic...connect the dots and now you realize that I have at least one step parent that is Hispanic. I also have a son-in-law who is African American. In other words, my family is pretty fucking diverse.
My view on the proposed wall is...it's actually racist and shows your full support of modern day slavery if you don't support immigration reform. And you are positively in denial...or just plain stupid...if you don't see that.
Why you ask? It's racist because the people that suffer the most are those that are coming from Mexico and South America. This isn't about the hillbilly rednecks who want to keep the "brown" guys out. It's about modern slavery. It's slavery because everyone that buys their tomatoes and other produce from the grocery store, has a house built, has a lawn mowed, and just about anything else requiring hard, manual labor, etc. etc. is doing so on the very backs of these poor people that come to this country wanting more.
You think these people are risking their lives to come here to make fifty fucking cents for every 32lbs of tomatoes they pick? How is this not slavery?!?!? How is this not racist?!?!? You think they come here brimming with excitement to work from 4am to 8pm to pick the produce you put on your sandwiches, salads, smoothies or whatever the fuck else you're loading it up on while their kids are either home alone or God knows where else all day?? But who are they going to complain to when they are here illegally??? As long as our border allows for an unfettered flow of cheap labor, NOTHING will stop these people from being abused.
You think it's fair and just that big companies like Facebook, Disney, Apple, etc. can just bring in low paid foreign workers just so the greedy bastards can save an average of $13,000 per displaced American worker? How is that not racist? Where is the fucking outrage there??? And yes, I am fully aware that H1B visa workers are required by law to be paid the same wage as other workers with similar skills. The reality however, is that it's been found most of these workers in the tech industry for example, are paid about $13,000 less than their American counterparts, for the same fucking job! Please tell me how this is not racism at it's very core??
Trump, for all his buffoonery, has actually come up with the best possible solution to this problem. Secure the border, vet the incoming immigrants, and make it easier to become a legal citizen. Only a complete asshole could be against having those measures in place.
Why would you not try to secure the southern border and maybe inhibit both drug and human trafficking? Why would you not verify those wishing to enter the country legally? Who in their right mind just wants anyone and everyone, no questions asked, felons, drug dealers and rapists I believe he called them...to just enter freely? How fucking stupid are you to support that? How does that help the immigrants coming here with families, looking to this country for hope, to have that shitty element following them here? And how could you not want a plan that makes it easier to come here legally?
So before you start throwing around racism, you should take a look at what you support, probably on a daily basis, that contributes to keeping immigrant workers in the steerage class of our society and enables a slave labor force that hasn't been seen in this country since the 1850's. If you don't see how reforming our immigration policies and securing our border doesn't benefit these people and everyone else for that matter, then you are truly lost.
The cost of the wall
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html
The cost to deport
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34789502
The reality of how this could play out.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/13/donald-trumps-success-good-immigration-reform/81652440/
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Listen to his speeches...not just the soundbites the media feeds to people...and you will hear him say time and again that he wants to make it easier to become a legal citizen. That has been his mantra since day one and has been said ad nauseam. When you actually listen to what the man says, it's more about creating jobs, enforcing existing laws, and cracking down on shitty trade deals that we currently have in place, that basically help to keep American workers at mostly lower income status.mrussel1 said:
Wait a minute... I'm being serious here. Does Trump have a pathway to citizenship plan? I think that's implied in Shawshank's post.
Of course this really pisses off those that need the slave labor force to remain intact, especially big corporations. It also keeps a large section of the illegal immigrant population in servitude to not only those they work for, but to the government agencies that allow them to suckle at their teat. Eliminate the need for that, and you free those people. Do anything other than secure the border and make it easier to become legal, and you keep them in bondage.
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Ummmmmm....Shawshank said:
Listen to his speeches...not just the soundbites the media feeds to people...and you will hear him say time and again that he wants to make it easier to become a legal citizen. That has been his mantra since day one and has been said ad nauseam. When you actually listen to what the man says, it's more about creating jobs, enforcing existing laws, and cracking down on shitty trade deals that we currently have in place, that basically help to keep American workers at mostly lower income status.mrussel1 said:
Wait a minute... I'm being serious here. Does Trump have a pathway to citizenship plan? I think that's implied in Shawshank's post.
Of course this really pisses off those that need the slave labor force to remain intact, especially big corporations. It also keeps a large section of the illegal immigrant population in servitude to not only those they work for, but to the government agencies that allow them to suckle at their teat. Eliminate the need for that, and you free those people. Do anything other than secure the border and make it easier to become legal, and you keep them in bondage.
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I've listened to the speeches. They are completely devoid of anything close to a policy discussion. They are generally just observations about the crowd or himself, with repeated talking points. He has made fun of Marco for supporting a pathway to citizenship. His website only has policies related to enforcement, walls and deportation. There is nothing about how to handle the millions of illegal immigrants and their legal children. So help me out. What has he said, or where is it written how to handle the issue?Shawshank said:
Listen to his speeches...not just the soundbites the media feeds to people...and you will hear him say time and again that he wants to make it easier to become a legal citizen. That has been his mantra since day one and has been said ad nauseam. When you actually listen to what the man says, it's more about creating jobs, enforcing existing laws, and cracking down on shitty trade deals that we currently have in place, that basically help to keep American workers at mostly lower income status.mrussel1 said:
Wait a minute... I'm being serious here. Does Trump have a pathway to citizenship plan? I think that's implied in Shawshank's post.
Of course this really pisses off those that need the slave labor force to remain intact, especially big corporations. It also keeps a large section of the illegal immigrant population in servitude to not only those they work for, but to the government agencies that allow them to suckle at their teat. Eliminate the need for that, and you free those people. Do anything other than secure the border and make it easier to become legal, and you keep them in bondage.
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Haha, I was just going to post his website. You beat me to it.mrussel1 said:
I've listened to the speeches. They are completely devoid of anything close to a policy discussion. They are generally just observations about the crowd or himself, with repeated talking points. He has made fun of Marco for supporting a pathway to citizenship. His website only has policies related to enforcement, walls and deportation. There is nothing about how to handle the millions of illegal immigrants and their legal children. So help me out. What has he said, or where is it written how to handle the issue?Shawshank said:
Listen to his speeches...not just the soundbites the media feeds to people...and you will hear him say time and again that he wants to make it easier to become a legal citizen. That has been his mantra since day one and has been said ad nauseam. When you actually listen to what the man says, it's more about creating jobs, enforcing existing laws, and cracking down on shitty trade deals that we currently have in place, that basically help to keep American workers at mostly lower income status.mrussel1 said:
Wait a minute... I'm being serious here. Does Trump have a pathway to citizenship plan? I think that's implied in Shawshank's post.
Of course this really pisses off those that need the slave labor force to remain intact, especially big corporations. It also keeps a large section of the illegal immigrant population in servitude to not only those they work for, but to the government agencies that allow them to suckle at their teat. Eliminate the need for that, and you free those people. Do anything other than secure the border and make it easier to become legal, and you keep them in bondage.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1XSzteV94&feature=youtu.be"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
It was at a university of Illinois college campus, public property, public rally!mrussel1 said:
It's his right to hold a private rally for which he paid. We show enough is enough by rising above it and supporting the Democratic candidate. That will banish Trump to the historical footnotes.Free said:
It's an observation. There were enough protesters to cause enough chaos to jeopardize the candidate's security. It's not just protesters versus supporters, it's protesters versus the MAN inciting the hatred and violence. When is enough going to be enough?mrussel1 said:
no...it's not 'we the people'. Your assumption is that those protesters spoke for everyone. They didn't. They spoke for themselves. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But it was protester v. supporter. How can you possess so much hubris that you (the protesters) speak for all? Just like Trump doesn't speak for all white people, those protesters don't speak for Chicago or all Progressives.Free said:
See, the problem with these kind of articles, is that they still divide. It's not the "protesters" that shut down his rally, it's We, the People; the people of Chicago that rejects Trump. Continuing to see this crisis as a us versus them mentality doesn't exactly help the problem, it just makes it worse.mrussel1 said:Okay, this is going to be a massive post, so I'm sorry. But for my liberal and conservative friends, please have the patience to spend 30 seconds reading this. It's from a conservative, but rational writer at the very astute American Conservative Magazine. I'm a Democrat, but he's right. Not on every point, but the broader point that having a mob break up a Trump rally costs us the moral high ground. Please think about this. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/
Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies, in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.
What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
No. This political correctness needs to be opposed, and it needs to be opposed with force. I don’t know why the police couldn’t handle this situation, but they had better be on it in the future, because many Americans will not stand for this. What those protesters have done tonight is create a lot more Trump voters out of people who are sick and tired of privileged leftists using thug tactics to silence their opponents.
I would feel exactly the same way if conservative protesters tried to shut down a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders rally. Protest all you want, but do it outside the venue, or silently inside. Do not silence the speaker, because if you do that, you legitimize your opponents trying to silence the speakers from your side. Thuggish, illiberal tactics like this from the left call forth the same kind of thing from the right. When right-wing white nationalist types show up and make trouble at Democratic rallies, or BLM rallies, and get them cancelled, on what grounds will you on the left have to complain?
For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.
Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?
Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.
This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.
Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
Why aren't we acknowledging this as a people versus politics kind of perspective, not a protester versus supporter problem. Obviously there were more people that are against this person then are and support . It's a public event, and the public spoke.
And I didn't see anyone mention the pepper spraying of the demonstrators in Kansas City, MO Saturday night. Hello, it's also a police problem. Those demonstrators as you will see in the video were peaceful. This all just proves that there will be more of the continuing in the future.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMKcrhT0WI
And yes, I saw the KC thing. It was pretty shitty. I have no idea why those cops pulled that crap. Looked like what happened at Cal Berkley a few years ago.0 -
I don't believe that's true. He paid for the space and security. It's not public.0
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