Trump's rally in Chicago stopped due to protests

PJfanwillneverleave1

If people threw tomatoes (remember the shoe thrown at Bush) at Trump most people on this train would condone it and cheer gallantly.
Yet all that he said was "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them," Trump said. "Just knock the hell — I promise you, I'll pay the legal fees."
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-legal-fees-punch-protester-2016-3

He is protecting himself from harm.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

BS44325 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

C'mon Brian...you know I'm one of these conservative fans. It is not odd at all. I always say...I like left wing music and right wing literature. I may not agree with Pearl Jam on many political issues but I absolutely love their passion. Music should be about love, introspection, idealism and expression of thought...any thought... and it only works when the artist is honest with who he or she is. Pearl Jam does this better then anyone and as a real conservative I will defend their or any progressives artist ability to speak even when it offends. Take Bushleaguer for example...it is the complete opposite from my thoughts on Bush but I actually think it is fantastic both as a "protest" song and as a straight-up art piece when the Bush mask is worn. This shouldn't be "perplexing" to you. Conservatives don't need "safe spaces" or "trigger warnings". We don't see opposing view points as "hate speech" and can actually respect those view points and even enjoy them when they are delivered intelligently. Don't be perplexed man.

100%

I'm glad you guys enjoy the music. I still think it's a bit strange that you come here to discuss politics. It's your perfect right, of course. But personally, I would not choose a band site that is so very much contrary to my beliefs on which to discuss politics. I might discuss the music or the weather or my cat or dog, but I would not have the slightest inclination to waste my time discussing politics. I don't see what you get out of it.

Just curious- besides A Moving Train, about what percentage of your time here do you guiys post on the various other forums sections- the Porch, Other Music, All Encompassing Trip, etc. Surely you must spend a majority of your posting time on PJ related forum sections since that's what it's about for you, correct?

Personally I post/comment on all the pages but I specifically post in here because it is important to enter this bubble of groupthink and show that alternative thought exists within the fanbase. For many years I ignored the AMT but eventually I got tired of every conservative being labelled as a rascist, dumb, christian, hateful, backwards biggot. If you spend a few minutes reading through these pages you will see it everywhere. This is a page that is all for tolerance except when it comes to conservative thought. What i get out of countering this argument is the hope that when some of you actually start to interact with a conservative you might actually realize that we are not the characiture you make us out too be. When you see we are good people with similar interests...music, love of this band etc maybe, just maybe some will open their minds and backoff on some of the hateful rhetoric.

Back off and tolerate what?

Mexicans are filth? Muslims are filth? People that protest need to be punched in the face? Uneducated people are awesome?

You actually expect people to 'tolerate' such values? You expect people to say, "I disagree with what you're saying about Mexican people, but I respect your opinion"? I must be missing something here.

What you're missing is that nobody has used the word "filth" but you.

Well isn't that the general implication? If not... then I'll modify to 'second rate human beings'. Is that about right?

And don't bother answering the questions I asked of you. You know... the ones regarding exactly what it was you expected people to 'tolerate' and 'respect'.

PJfanwillneverleave1

brianlux said:

Enkidu said:

brianlux said:

Too many posts to reply to specifically but what I want to ask our conservative members here is, where do you draw the line on your conservatism? Do any of you really stand with Trump and his racist, neo-nazi agenda? If so, can you really expect the majority of others who post here to accept that as a reasonable and rational choice? I'm not talking about economics of abortion or other issues that could be interpreted as having grey areas. I'm talking about Donald Trump, a man who is running for POTUS on a racist, hate based platform. If you can say, "Yes, I support that agenda" then say so. Tell us why you hate blacks and Hispanics. Tell us why it's ok in your viewpoint for Trump to encourage his followers to use violence against his opponents. Tell us why its ok for Trump to refer to immigrants as “illegals” and the children of illegal immigrants as “anchor babies". Tell us why you think these things are ok. And after you do that, please stop arguing about why some of us wonder why the hell you want to argue those points here.

I don't care if you are fiscally conservative or you hate granola or believe those of us who are in favor of peace are naive but if you support someone like Trump who promotes hate you are not going to get one inch of slack from me. Sorry, but I don't buy that kind of bullshit. No way.

My husband is a registered Republican, but like many Republicans feels the party left him years ago (hijacked by the religious right). He and his mostly Republican family loathe Donald Trump - they think he's a racist, a buffoon, an embarrassment to the party, etc. None of our Republican friends support Trump. (None of them are Cruz or Rubio fans either, btw.)

My wife was registered Republican when I met her (she's independent now) and is still more conservative than I am (yeah, I know, shocker right, haha!) and she feels the same way. She see Trump as a dangerous, hateful influence on our society and she has absolutely no problem saying what she feels that way. She too believes the Republican Party has been hijacked and give no support to any of their front runners, least of all that hateful bigot, Donald Trump.

This is no different than Trump saying certain people are a dangerous and hateful influence on America.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

If people threw tomatoes (remember the shoe thrown at Bush) at Trump most people on this train would condone it and cheer gallantly.
Yet all that he said was "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them," Trump said. "Just knock the hell — I promise you, I'll pay the legal fees."
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-legal-fees-punch-protester-2016-3

He is protecting himself from harm.

You are latechiming without all the facts, he has invited violence many more times than just that once.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

If people threw tomatoes (remember the shoe thrown at Bush) at Trump most people on this train would condone it and cheer gallantly.
Yet all that he said was "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them," Trump said. "Just knock the hell — I promise you, I'll pay the legal fees."
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-legal-fees-punch-protester-2016-3

He is protecting himself from harm.

You are latechiming without all the facts, he has invited violence many more times than just that once.

PJfanwillneverleave1

rgambs said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

If people threw tomatoes (remember the shoe thrown at Bush) at Trump most people on this train would condone it and cheer gallantly.
Yet all that he said was "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them," Trump said. "Just knock the hell — I promise you, I'll pay the legal fees."
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-legal-fees-punch-protester-2016-3

He is protecting himself from harm.

You are latechiming without all the facts, he has invited violence many more times than just that once.

Latechiming, catchy

I just posted a fact no?
It does not matter if he has done this before apparently. He is winning.

Free

Winning... Like Charlie Sheen is winning?

bootlegger10

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mrussel1 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

C'mon Brian...you know I'm one of these conservative fans. It is not odd at all. I always say...I like left wing music and right wing literature. I may not agree with Pearl Jam on many political issues but I absolutely love their passion. Music should be about love, introspection, idealism and expression of thought...any thought... and it only works when the artist is honest with who he or she is. Pearl Jam does this better then anyone and as a real conservative I will defend their or any progressives artist ability to speak even when it offends. Take Bushleaguer for example...it is the complete opposite from my thoughts on Bush but I actually think it is fantastic both as a "protest" song and as a straight-up art piece when the Bush mask is worn. This shouldn't be "perplexing" to you. Conservatives don't need "safe spaces" or "trigger warnings". We don't see opposing view points as "hate speech" and can actually respect those view points and even enjoy them when they are delivered intelligently. Don't be perplexed man.

100%

I'm glad you guys enjoy the music. I still think it's a bit strange that you come here to discuss politics. It's your perfect right, of course. But personally, I would not choose a band site that is so very much contrary to my beliefs on which to discuss politics. I might discuss the music or the weather or my cat or dog, but I would not have the slightest inclination to waste my time discussing politics. I don't see what you get out of it.

Just curious- besides A Moving Train, about what percentage of your time here do you guiys post on the various other forums sections- the Porch, Other Music, All Encompassing Trip, etc. Surely you must spend a majority of your posting time on PJ related forum sections since that's what it's about for you, correct?

Personally I post/comment on all the pages but I specifically post in here because it is important to enter this bubble of groupthink and show that alternative thought exists within the fanbase. For many years I ignored the AMT but eventually I got tired of every conservative being labelled as a rascist, dumb, christian, hateful, backwards biggot. If you spend a few minutes reading through these pages you will see it everywhere. This is a page that is all for tolerance except when it comes to conservative thought. What i get out of countering this argument is the hope that when some of you actually start to interact with a conservative you might actually realize that we are not the characiture you make us out too be. When you see we are good people with similar interests...music, love of this band etc maybe, just maybe some will open their minds and backoff on some of the hateful rhetoric.

Back off and tolerate what?

Mexicans are filth? Muslims are filth? People that protest need to be punched in the face? Uneducated people are awesome?

You actually expect people to 'tolerate' such values? You expect people to say, "I disagree with what you're saying about Mexican people, but I respect your opinion"? I must be missing something here.

You can't lump all republicans into the same camp as Trump. He has a very specific set of crazy ass supporters that represent 33% of the GOP. Lots of Republicans, particularly establishment and moderate Republicans despise Trump.

Agreed.

But what's being contested in these Trump threads is Trump, the rhetoric he spews and the supporters lapping it up. Asking for tolerance in such a context begs clarification.

This.

I know not all conservatives are hateful, just like y'all (hopefully) know that all liberals are lazy beggars.

Finally, the truth is confirmed!!!

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

brianlux said:

Enkidu said:

brianlux said:

Too many posts to reply to specifically but what I want to ask our conservative members here is, where do you draw the line on your conservatism? Do any of you really stand with Trump and his racist, neo-nazi agenda? If so, can you really expect the majority of others who post here to accept that as a reasonable and rational choice? I'm not talking about economics of abortion or other issues that could be interpreted as having grey areas. I'm talking about Donald Trump, a man who is running for POTUS on a racist, hate based platform. If you can say, "Yes, I support that agenda" then say so. Tell us why you hate blacks and Hispanics. Tell us why it's ok in your viewpoint for Trump to encourage his followers to use violence against his opponents. Tell us why its ok for Trump to refer to immigrants as “illegals” and the children of illegal immigrants as “anchor babies". Tell us why you think these things are ok. And after you do that, please stop arguing about why some of us wonder why the hell you want to argue those points here.

I don't care if you are fiscally conservative or you hate granola or believe those of us who are in favor of peace are naive but if you support someone like Trump who promotes hate you are not going to get one inch of slack from me. Sorry, but I don't buy that kind of bullshit. No way.

My husband is a registered Republican, but like many Republicans feels the party left him years ago (hijacked by the religious right). He and his mostly Republican family loathe Donald Trump - they think he's a racist, a buffoon, an embarrassment to the party, etc. None of our Republican friends support Trump. (None of them are Cruz or Rubio fans either, btw.)

My wife was registered Republican when I met her (she's independent now) and is still more conservative than I am (yeah, I know, shocker right, haha!) and she feels the same way. She see Trump as a dangerous, hateful influence on our society and she has absolutely no problem saying what she feels that way. She too believes the Republican Party has been hijacked and give no support to any of their front runners, least of all that hateful bigot, Donald Trump.

This is no different than Trump saying certain people are a dangerous and hateful influence on America.

Where did Trump say that?

PJ_Soul

chadwick said:

chicago is a dump, yes/no?

No.

Pearl34Jam

brianlux said:

Too many posts to reply to specifically but what I want to ask our conservative members here is, where do you draw the line on your conservatism? Do any of you really stand with Trump and his racist, neo-nazi agenda? If so, can you really expect the majority of others who post here to accept that as a reasonable and rational choice? I'm not talking about economics of abortion or other issues that could be interpreted as having grey areas. I'm talking about Donald Trump, a man who is running for POTUS on a racist, hate based platform. If you can say, "Yes, I support that agenda" then say so. Tell us why you hate blacks and Hispanics. Tell us why it's ok in your viewpoint for Trump to encourage his followers to use violence against his opponents. Tell us why its ok for Trump to refer to immigrants as “illegals” and the children of illegal immigrants as “anchor babies". Tell us why you think these things are ok. And after you do that, please stop arguing about why some of us wonder why the hell you want to argue those points here.

I don't care if you are fiscally conservative or you hate granola or believe those of us who are in favor of peace are naive but if you support someone like Trump who promotes hate you are not going to get one inch of slack from me. Sorry, but I don't buy that kind of bullshit. No way.

Who says that Trump and/or Trump's supporters hate blacks and Hispanics? What Trump and his supporters hate are ILLEGAL (meaning not allowed BY LAW) immigrants constantly coming into our country on a daily basis.

You must watch MSNBC too much as well as Rev. Al Sharpton's daily racist comments against whites and Republicans as a whole.

(See, we can talk smack about your 100% biased news station too)

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jeffbr said:

Free said:

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

As long as they don't yell at shows to "shut up and sing". Conservative fans are fully welcome being PJ fans, as long as they don't expect an openly politically and socially liberal band to be something they're not.

It's acceptable to protest or exercize free speech when it comes to Trump but not Vedder? Freedom of speech goes both ways.

It's almost as if there are two sets of fans when presented by an opinion such as the above.
An elitist, cliquish type fanfare.
Certainly not like trump.

brianlux

Pearl34Jam said:

brianlux said:

Too many posts to reply to specifically but what I want to ask our conservative members here is, where do you draw the line on your conservatism? Do any of you really stand with Trump and his racist, neo-nazi agenda? If so, can you really expect the majority of others who post here to accept that as a reasonable and rational choice? I'm not talking about economics of abortion or other issues that could be interpreted as having grey areas. I'm talking about Donald Trump, a man who is running for POTUS on a racist, hate based platform. If you can say, "Yes, I support that agenda" then say so. Tell us why you hate blacks and Hispanics. Tell us why it's ok in your viewpoint for Trump to encourage his followers to use violence against his opponents. Tell us why its ok for Trump to refer to immigrants as “illegals” and the children of illegal immigrants as “anchor babies". Tell us why you think these things are ok. And after you do that, please stop arguing about why some of us wonder why the hell you want to argue those points here.

I don't care if you are fiscally conservative or you hate granola or believe those of us who are in favor of peace are naive but if you support someone like Trump who promotes hate you are not going to get one inch of slack from me. Sorry, but I don't buy that kind of bullshit. No way.

Who says that Trump and/or Trump's supporters hate blacks and Hispanics? What Trump and his supporters hate are ILLEGAL (meaning not allowed BY LAW) immigrants constantly coming into our country on a daily basis.

You must watch MSNBC too much as well as Rev. Al Sharpton's daily racist comments against whites and Republicans as a whole.

(See, we can talk smack about your 100% biased news station too)

Where do you get this stuff from? You really don't understand that Trump is a racist?

And why on earth do you think I watch MSNBC? WTF?

Or that I watch Rev. Al Sharpton? As best I can recall, I have never mentioned anything about Sharpton on AMT.

You want to talk smack about my 100% biased news station? WTF does that mean? What news station would that be?

Why are you making this shit up?

myoung321

rgambs said:

Can someone please post a photo of the woman making the Nazi salute for our resident Trump fans? I can't technology.

PJ_Soul

Wow.

WhatYouTaughtMe

myoung321 said:

rgambs said:

Can someone please post a photo of the woman making the Nazi salute for our resident Trump fans? I can't technology.

Trump Jr. tried to claim that woman was a Bernie supporter.

PJ_Soul

^^ lol!

You poor people. I feel for you, seriously. I'm upset about the whole thing and i don't even live there.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2552547/move-to-canada-searches-spike-on-google-during-super-tuesday/

myoung321

JimmyV

I posted a NY Times piece earlier that included this woman's explanation for the salute. I will say...it is not compelling.

WhatYouTaughtMe

PJ_Soul said:

^^ lol!

You poor people. I feel for you, seriously. I'm upset about the whole thing and i don't even live there.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2552547/move-to-canada-searches-spike-on-google-during-super-tuesday/

It is awful, and some have claimed the other side is fascist for trying to shut this shit down. It's depressing. I still have not met 1 single Trump supporter in person. Where are all these loonies? I would be interested to have an honest conversation with one.