This is ridiculous. We have to spell out the facts about Trump being a racist, bigot and a member of the He-Man WomenHaters Club again?! These facts came straight out of his clown faced mouth!
I'm convinced his supporters are hipnoticed you can show them videos of him encouraging people to punch protesters and they won't admit that is what his doing !! They/him see it totally different
His supporters are the same as Obama supporters really. Substance of the man is a non-issue...they just by into the cult of personality. I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.
There are some parallels there, as with any politician with a strong following. It's the nature of our two party system. Pick a side and defend it no matter what. Not all, but yes a lot.
You just can't say the two are the same. Obama wasn't advocating violence and trying to push civil rights backwards.
For the record, I am not a huge Obama supporter. I think there is a large hypocrisy in someone who accepted a Nobel Peace Prize and then proceeded to continue drone strikes around the middle east. For all the good he has done, I don't give anybody a pass on dropping actual bombs on people.
I can't wait until this campaign is over. Hillary or Bernie will be President and we will be looking forward to the next PJ album. Maybe that's the real frustration on the right. They aren't going to win the White House.
if their voters turn out they will.
I don't see it. They hate Obama and he won. Twice. I worry about voter turnout in the left more.
i worry about money too. the koch brothers have largely stayed out of this one so far. they have $500 million set aside for 2016 elections and it is at their disposal. they are going to throw all of that money behind the nominee and will try to destroy clinton or sanders with it. they will use the same trump "play to the angry white man" strategy that trump is using. this will be the dirtiest general election campaign of my lifetime.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Too many posts to reply to specifically but what I want to ask our conservative members here is, where do you draw the line on your conservatism? Do any of you really stand with Trump and his racist, neo-nazi agenda? If so, can you really expect the majority of others who post here to accept that as a reasonable and rational choice? I'm not talking about economics of abortion or other issues that could be interpreted as having grey areas. I'm talking about Donald Trump, a man who is running for POTUS on a racist, hate based platform. If you can say, "Yes, I support that agenda" then say so. Tell us why you hate blacks and Hispanics. Tell us why it's ok in your viewpoint for Trump to encourage his followers to use violence against his opponents. Tell us why its ok for Trump to refer to immigrants as “illegals” and the children of illegal immigrants as “anchor babies". Tell us why you think these things are ok. And after you do that, please stop arguing about why some of us wonder why the hell you want to argue those points here.
I don't care if you are fiscally conservative or you hate granola or believe those of us who are in favor of peace are naive but if you support someone like Trump who promotes hate you are not going to get one inch of slack from me. Sorry, but I don't buy that kind of bullshit. No way.
Who says that Trump and/or Trump's supporters hate blacks and Hispanics? What Trump and his supporters hate are ILLEGAL (meaning not allowed BY LAW) immigrants constantly coming into our country on a daily basis.
You must watch MSNBC too much as well as Rev. Al Sharpton's daily racist comments against whites and Republicans as a whole.
(See, we can talk smack about your 100% biased news station too)
Where do you get this stuff from? You really don't understand that Trump is a racist?
And why on earth do you think I watch MSNBC? WTF?
Or that I watch Rev. Al Sharpton? As best I can recall, I have never mentioned anything about Sharpton on AMT.
You want to talk smack about my 100% biased news station? WTF does that mean? What news station would that be?
Why are you making this shit up?
Again...I am not a Trump supporter but I don't find him to be a racist. This continues to be the problem with all you haters. It is not rational. You should listen to this pastor's introduction to understand where his supporters are coming from
Trump is a racist. I'm not going to repeat the evidence that has been stated numerous times on these threads. Sorry if that sounds like a cop-out but I'm not a carpenter in a circular room looking for a corner to pee in.
But now, whoa!! Why do you see me as a "hater"??
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
This is ridiculous. We have to spell out the facts about Trump being a racist, bigot and a member of the He-Man WomenHaters Club again?! These facts came straight out of his clown faced mouth!
I'm convinced his supporters are hipnoticed you can show them videos of him encouraging people to punch protesters and they won't admit that is what his doing !! They/him see it totally different
I'd love to know how one can take hard evidence and twist it to suit their denial needs. Fantasy World Living!
He would not take any blame for what's been happening this morning on meet the press refused too ! This guy is a total goon !!
i actually watched mtp too. i hate that show. i can't stand chuck todd. he lets these people walk all over him. big russ must be rolling over in his grave.
But let's remember, MSNBC is liberal. The naive and ignorant OP says so!
I can't wait until this campaign is over. Hillary or Bernie will be President and we will be looking forward to the next PJ album. Maybe that's the real frustration on the right. They aren't going to win the White House.
It wouldn't be fair of me to say that Hillary doesn't have a chance. She does have a big chance.
Bernie on the other hand...he has no chance at this point. Isn't winning enough states
"Must I keep explaining my decisions to you strangers of the Internet?" - Merch tent 8/19/16
Too many posts to reply to specifically but what I want to ask our conservative members here is, where do you draw the line on your conservatism? Do any of you really stand with Trump and his racist, neo-nazi agenda? If so, can you really expect the majority of others who post here to accept that as a reasonable and rational choice? I'm not talking about economics of abortion or other issues that could be interpreted as having grey areas. I'm talking about Donald Trump, a man who is running for POTUS on a racist, hate based platform. If you can say, "Yes, I support that agenda" then say so. Tell us why you hate blacks and Hispanics. Tell us why it's ok in your viewpoint for Trump to encourage his followers to use violence against his opponents. Tell us why its ok for Trump to refer to immigrants as “illegals” and the children of illegal immigrants as “anchor babies". Tell us why you think these things are ok. And after you do that, please stop arguing about why some of us wonder why the hell you want to argue those points here.
I don't care if you are fiscally conservative or you hate granola or believe those of us who are in favor of peace are naive but if you support someone like Trump who promotes hate you are not going to get one inch of slack from me. Sorry, but I don't buy that kind of bullshit. No way.
Who says that Trump and/or Trump's supporters hate blacks and Hispanics? What Trump and his supporters hate are ILLEGAL (meaning not allowed BY LAW) immigrants constantly coming into our country on a daily basis.
You must watch MSNBC too much as well as Rev. Al Sharpton's daily racist comments against whites and Republicans as a whole.
(See, we can talk smack about your 100% biased news station too)
Where do you get this stuff from? You really don't understand that Trump is a racist?
And why on earth do you think I watch MSNBC? WTF?
Or that I watch Rev. Al Sharpton? As best I can recall, I have never mentioned anything about Sharpton on AMT.
You want to talk smack about my 100% biased news station? WTF does that mean? What news station would that be?
Why are you making this shit up?
Again...I am not a Trump supporter but I don't find him to be a racist.
This is ridiculous. We have to spell out the facts about Trump being a racist, bigot and a member of the He-Man WomenHaters Club again?! These facts came straight out of his clown faced mouth!
I'm convinced his supporters are hipnoticed you can show them videos of him encouraging people to punch protesters and they won't admit that is what his doing !! They/him see it totally different
I'd love to know how one can take hard evidence and twist it to suit their denial needs. Fantasy World Living!
Really? .....it's what a good lawyer does!
What a crooked lawyer does.
Like it or not, it's not being crooked, it's their obligation to their client.
Ever see Devil's Advocate?
So, your statement is based on a movie? Seems like you are living in a Fantasy World
This is ridiculous. We have to spell out the facts about Trump being a racist, bigot and a member of the He-Man WomenHaters Club again?! These facts came straight out of his clown faced mouth!
I'm convinced his supporters are hipnoticed you can show them videos of him encouraging people to punch protesters and they won't admit that is what his doing !! They/him see it totally different
I'd love to know how one can take hard evidence and twist it to suit their denial needs. Fantasy World Living!
He would not take any blame for what's been happening this morning on meet the press refused too ! This guy is a total goon !!
i actually watched mtp too. i hate that show. i can't stand chuck todd. he lets these people walk all over him. big russ must be rolling over in his grave.
But let's remember, MSNBC is liberal. The naive and ignorant OP says so!
if msnbc is so liberal, why is their flagship morning program "morning joe" hosted by a tea party supporting republican?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Too many posts to reply to specifically but what I want to ask our conservative members here is, where do you draw the line on your conservatism? Do any of you really stand with Trump and his racist, neo-nazi agenda? If so, can you really expect the majority of others who post here to accept that as a reasonable and rational choice? I'm not talking about economics of abortion or other issues that could be interpreted as having grey areas. I'm talking about Donald Trump, a man who is running for POTUS on a racist, hate based platform. If you can say, "Yes, I support that agenda" then say so. Tell us why you hate blacks and Hispanics. Tell us why it's ok in your viewpoint for Trump to encourage his followers to use violence against his opponents. Tell us why its ok for Trump to refer to immigrants as “illegals” and the children of illegal immigrants as “anchor babies". Tell us why you think these things are ok. And after you do that, please stop arguing about why some of us wonder why the hell you want to argue those points here.
I don't care if you are fiscally conservative or you hate granola or believe those of us who are in favor of peace are naive but if you support someone like Trump who promotes hate you are not going to get one inch of slack from me. Sorry, but I don't buy that kind of bullshit. No way.
Who says that Trump and/or Trump's supporters hate blacks and Hispanics? What Trump and his supporters hate are ILLEGAL (meaning not allowed BY LAW) immigrants constantly coming into our country on a daily basis.
You must watch MSNBC too much as well as Rev. Al Sharpton's daily racist comments against whites and Republicans as a whole.
(See, we can talk smack about your 100% biased news station too)
Where do you get this stuff from? You really don't understand that Trump is a racist?
And why on earth do you think I watch MSNBC? WTF?
Or that I watch Rev. Al Sharpton? As best I can recall, I have never mentioned anything about Sharpton on AMT.
You want to talk smack about my 100% biased news station? WTF does that mean? What news station would that be?
Why are you making this shit up?
I'm using the stereotypical liberal station MSNBC just like you all like to knock Fox News for being "biased" when in fact it shows both sides of politics everyday.
And yes, I must not understand that Trump is a "racist". Please thoroughly educate me why.
And your question about what news station I'm talking about, is clearly about MSNBC since that's what I clearly said. Pay attention
Do you seriously not see any racism in the statement about Mexico? "...they're sending rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
You don't see any racism in a Muslim ban? I know, I know, Muslim isn't a race...isn't really relevant though, only semantic.
In that statement he's not saying that all Mexicans are rapists, but that many rapists have come over our border.
And I'm not gonna lie, the Muslim ban did have me thinking for a bit if I supported it or not. But I soon realized that the majority of radical Islamic terrorists are Muslim. And there is a real threat hanging over our heads of secret members of ISIS flying in the US with a passport and getting in easily.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. And this is a temporary ban. A ban that will be put in place until the problem can be solved.
He's employed thousands of illegal immigrants, but he has to assume that some are good people? He's never actually met an immigrant that's a good person? So, if Al Sharpton said that he assumes some whites are good people, that wouldn't be racist to you? Yeah, fuckin' right.
Too many posts to reply to specifically but what I want to ask our conservative members here is, where do you draw the line on your conservatism? Do any of you really stand with Trump and his racist, neo-nazi agenda? If so, can you really expect the majority of others who post here to accept that as a reasonable and rational choice? I'm not talking about economics of abortion or other issues that could be interpreted as having grey areas. I'm talking about Donald Trump, a man who is running for POTUS on a racist, hate based platform. If you can say, "Yes, I support that agenda" then say so. Tell us why you hate blacks and Hispanics. Tell us why it's ok in your viewpoint for Trump to encourage his followers to use violence against his opponents. Tell us why its ok for Trump to refer to immigrants as “illegals” and the children of illegal immigrants as “anchor babies". Tell us why you think these things are ok. And after you do that, please stop arguing about why some of us wonder why the hell you want to argue those points here.
I don't care if you are fiscally conservative or you hate granola or believe those of us who are in favor of peace are naive but if you support someone like Trump who promotes hate you are not going to get one inch of slack from me. Sorry, but I don't buy that kind of bullshit. No way.
Who says that Trump and/or Trump's supporters hate blacks and Hispanics? What Trump and his supporters hate are ILLEGAL (meaning not allowed BY LAW) immigrants constantly coming into our country on a daily basis.
You must watch MSNBC too much as well as Rev. Al Sharpton's daily racist comments against whites and Republicans as a whole.
(See, we can talk smack about your 100% biased news station too)
Where do you get this stuff from? You really don't understand that Trump is a racist?
And why on earth do you think I watch MSNBC? WTF?
Or that I watch Rev. Al Sharpton? As best I can recall, I have never mentioned anything about Sharpton on AMT.
You want to talk smack about my 100% biased news station? WTF does that mean? What news station would that be?
Why are you making this shit up?
I'm using the stereotypical liberal station MSNBC just like you all like to knock Fox News for being "biased" when in fact it shows both sides of politics everyday.
And yes, I must not understand that Trump is a "racist". Please thoroughly educate me why.
And your question about what news station I'm talking about, is clearly about MSNBC since that's what I clearly said. Pay attention
Do you seriously not see any racism in the statement about Mexico? "...they're sending rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
You don't see any racism in a Muslim ban? I know, I know, Muslim isn't a race...isn't really relevant though, only semantic.
In that statement he's not saying that all Mexicans are rapists, but that many rapists have come over our border.
And I'm not gonna lie, the Muslim ban did have me thinking for a bit if I supported it or not. But I soon realized that the majority of radical Islamic terrorists are Muslim. And there is a real threat hanging over our heads of secret members of ISIS flying in the US with a passport and getting in easily.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. And this is a temporary ban. A ban that will be put in place until the problem can be solved.
Desperate times??? White conservatives committed more acts of terrorism in the USA than Muslims did last year... Damn those inconvenient facts.
This is ridiculous. We have to spell out the facts about Trump being a racist, bigot and a member of the He-Man WomenHaters Club again?! These facts came straight out of his clown faced mouth!
I'm convinced his supporters are hipnoticed you can show them videos of him encouraging people to punch protesters and they won't admit that is what his doing !! They/him see it totally different
His supporters are the same as Obama supporters really. Substance of the man is a non-issue...they just by into the cult of personality. I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.
oh puhlease. you didn't just make that comparison.
when was obama being outright racist on the campaign trail? when was he anti muslim? when was he speaking from outright anger and emotion devoid of critical thinking? when did he advocate violence against protesters? when did he say that people need to go and beat up mccain supporters?
protesters show up because they do not like his message. they do not like his rhetoric. he is talking about taking civil rights away from people who's parents fought for those very rights. you try to take rights away from african americans or latinos and they are going to resist. white people like me will help them resist, because it is the right thing to do.
don't ever compare obama's supporters on the campaign trail to trump's.
I am comparing the devotion to a cult of personality. Other then "hope and change" Obama didn't provide much else in way of substance. People voted for him based on a feeling. But if your looking for some specifics of divisions here are a few below...
White Americans "clinging to their guns and religion"
Telling his supporters to "argue with their neighbours and get in their faces"
Atteneding the church of Jeremiah Wright for many years when he is an anti-semite.
americans DO cling to their guns and their religion. what is wrong with that observation/statement?
does arguing with neighbors and get in their faces = take people out on stretchers and punch them in the face?
obama has as much control over what jeremiah wright said as i have over what you say. he disavowed wright. so what?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Too many posts to reply to specifically but what I want to ask our conservative members here is, where do you draw the line on your conservatism? Do any of you really stand with Trump and his racist, neo-nazi agenda? If so, can you really expect the majority of others who post here to accept that as a reasonable and rational choice? I'm not talking about economics of abortion or other issues that could be interpreted as having grey areas. I'm talking about Donald Trump, a man who is running for POTUS on a racist, hate based platform. If you can say, "Yes, I support that agenda" then say so. Tell us why you hate blacks and Hispanics. Tell us why it's ok in your viewpoint for Trump to encourage his followers to use violence against his opponents. Tell us why its ok for Trump to refer to immigrants as “illegals” and the children of illegal immigrants as “anchor babies". Tell us why you think these things are ok. And after you do that, please stop arguing about why some of us wonder why the hell you want to argue those points here.
I don't care if you are fiscally conservative or you hate granola or believe those of us who are in favor of peace are naive but if you support someone like Trump who promotes hate you are not going to get one inch of slack from me. Sorry, but I don't buy that kind of bullshit. No way.
Who says that Trump and/or Trump's supporters hate blacks and Hispanics? What Trump and his supporters hate are ILLEGAL (meaning not allowed BY LAW) immigrants constantly coming into our country on a daily basis.
You must watch MSNBC too much as well as Rev. Al Sharpton's daily racist comments against whites and Republicans as a whole.
(See, we can talk smack about your 100% biased news station too)
Where do you get this stuff from? You really don't understand that Trump is a racist?
And why on earth do you think I watch MSNBC? WTF?
Or that I watch Rev. Al Sharpton? As best I can recall, I have never mentioned anything about Sharpton on AMT.
You want to talk smack about my 100% biased news station? WTF does that mean? What news station would that be?
Why are you making this shit up?
Again...I am not a Trump supporter but I don't find him to be a racist.
Anyone remember that movie They Live with the late great Rowdy Roddy Piper? Those glasses seeing aliens.
That's how it feels here sometimes - not just here, either - but still...like that through the glass view allows deeming HEY! You fucking kumbayah-ing liberal. And YOU! Fucking conservative racist. Fuck you for being white, too.
Fuck you for every preconception and assumption.
Absurd.
Don't people get sick of this shit at some point? Or is it sucked up and spewed with such enjoyment as it seems to be?
Is it really so beyond the realm of comprehension and subsequent acceptance that many people embrace many views, even some conflicting? On a basic front, that one can be fiscally conservative yet pro-choice and supporting gay marriage? That one can want to provide assistance to those who need it at that time but want those handling it to not squander or mis-handle the funds to do so? To apply common sense alongside compassion?
Fuck, we teach our children about tolerance but act like asshats toward others. Sometimes this shit is like watching kids fighting on the playground and calling eachother doodyheads.
Anyone remember that movie They Live with the late great Rowdy Roddy Piper? Those glasses seeing aliens.
That's how it feels here sometimes - not just here, either - but still...like that through the glass view allows deeming HEY! You fucking kumbayah-ing liberal. And YOU! Fucking conservative racist. Fuck you for being white, too.
Fuck you for every preconception and assumption.
Absurd.
Don't people get sick of this shit at some point? Or is it sucked up and spewed with such enjoyment as it seems to be?
Is it really so beyond the realm of comprehension and subsequent acceptance that many people embrace many views, even some conflicting? On a basic front, that one can be fiscally conservative yet pro-choice and supporting gay marriage? That one can want to provide assistance to those who need it at that time but want those handling it to not squander or mis-handle the funds to do so? To apply common sense alongside compassion?
Fuck, we teach our children about tolerance but act like asshats toward others. Sometimes this shit is like watching kids fighting on the playground and calling eachother doodyheads.
Progress is supposed to come from this?
This is what Trump wants to change. All this playground stuff. He has a lot of conflicting views - that's where progress starts.
Anyone remember that movie They Live with the late great Rowdy Roddy Piper? Those glasses seeing aliens.
That's how it feels here sometimes - not just here, either - but still...like that through the glass view allows deeming HEY! You fucking kumbayah-ing liberal. And YOU! Fucking conservative racist. Fuck you for being white, too.
Fuck you for every preconception and assumption.
Absurd.
Don't people get sick of this shit at some point? Or is it sucked up and spewed with such enjoyment as it seems to be?
Is it really so beyond the realm of comprehension and subsequent acceptance that many people embrace many views, even some conflicting? On a basic front, that one can be fiscally conservative yet pro-choice and supporting gay marriage? That one can want to provide assistance to those who need it at that time but want those handling it to not squander or mis-handle the funds to do so? To apply common sense alongside compassion?
Fuck, we teach our children about tolerance but act like asshats toward others. Sometimes this shit is like watching kids fighting on the playground and calling eachother doodyheads.
Progress is supposed to come from this?
I get where you are coming from, but it seems a little preachy. You rarely take sides on issues, you usually just leave comments like this one. It's easy to think a discussion looks like a childish fight from the outside, but get some skin in the game and the Rowdyness (RIP) doesn't seem so trivial. Ever watch another couple fight? It's sort of the same.
Where do you stand on Trump? Do you think he is racist, and more importantly, do you think that he says racist and inflammatory things to rile his fans?
gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
And this is what his fans/misguided followers rally around. You feel the same as them.
gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
I knew you weren't preaching, but I did think that someone who didn't know you better might think so. I think he has passed beyond saying what he thinks (that's bad enough lol) and into the realm of saying what he thinks (knows) people want to hear. That makes him every bit the mainstream politician he claims (and his followers believe) not to be.
I have been loving the parentheses lately, it seems to me they are underutilized, commas get all the love, but interjecting a thought with parentheses seems cleaner. Really puts you into a quick aside... Da' Maniac.
gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support. So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support. So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.
gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support. So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.
Agreed there is a difference. But I'm not sure why feeling free to say something socially or morally unacceptable is something to be admired. Yelling the N word is certainly un-PC, but that's not a good thing either.
gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support. So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.
gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support. So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.
gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support. So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.
oy vey
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No idea what you are trying to communicate here.
I am as crystal clear as saying I appreciate that trump says what he thinks PC or not but despise everything else about him. Everyone is flawed right?
gambs, not intended in any way to preach - and sorry you took it that way, I thought you knew me better! - but to vent at some of the shit I've seen here. My comments in the post you quoted does show where I stand on some issues. I've been pretty clear in the past as well, not to mention when I don't have a stance, or still in the process of figuring shit out.
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
What is bolded is a contradiction. You support his voicing whatever, you support. So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
No it isn't. Appreciating someone speaking their mind and supporting what that mind says are two completely different things.
Thank you.
PJFan (and anyone else, while we're at at), it's cool if you want to assume how I feel. Wouldn't be the first time.
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You just can't say the two are the same. Obama wasn't advocating violence and trying to push civil rights backwards.
For the record, I am not a huge Obama supporter. I think there is a large hypocrisy in someone who accepted a Nobel Peace Prize and then proceeded to continue drone strikes around the middle east. For all the good he has done, I don't give anybody a pass on dropping actual bombs on people.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But now, whoa!! Why do you see me as a "hater"??
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Bernie on the other hand...he has no chance at this point. Isn't winning enough states
'13: 10/27 Baltimore
'15: 9/26 New York City
'16: 4/16 Greenville (VS!), 4/26 Lexington, 4/28 Philly, 8/20 Wrigley
'18: 9/02 Fenway
'22: 9/16 Nashville
’24: 8/26 Noblesville, 9/12 Baltimore
It is a good movie.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
does arguing with neighbors and get in their faces = take people out on stretchers and punch them in the face?
obama has as much control over what jeremiah wright said as i have over what you say. he disavowed wright. so what?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/02/donald-trump-falls-called-racism-african-americans.html
18 Real Things Donald Trump Has Actually Said About Women
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/18-real-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-women_us_55d356a8e4b07addcb442023
Donald Trump’s History Of Saying Offensive Things And Then Pretending They Didn’t Happen
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/18/3703008/donald-trump-what-who-me-you-must-be-mistaken/
25 Of The Most Outrageous Donald Trump Quotes
http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html#bTps6oPziovY2PUa.99
That's how it feels here sometimes - not just here, either - but still...like that through the glass view allows deeming HEY! You fucking kumbayah-ing liberal. And YOU! Fucking conservative racist. Fuck you for being white, too.
Fuck you for every preconception and assumption.
Absurd.
Don't people get sick of this shit at some point? Or is it sucked up and spewed with such enjoyment as it seems to be?
Is it really so beyond the realm of comprehension and subsequent acceptance that many people embrace many views, even some conflicting? On a basic front, that one can be fiscally conservative yet pro-choice and supporting gay marriage? That one can want to provide assistance to those who need it at that time but want those handling it to not squander or mis-handle the funds to do so? To apply common sense alongside compassion?
Fuck, we teach our children about tolerance but act like asshats toward others. Sometimes this shit is like watching kids fighting on the playground and calling eachother doodyheads.
Progress is supposed to come from this?
All this playground stuff.
He has a lot of conflicting views - that's where progress starts.
Where do you stand on Trump?
Do you think he is racist, and more importantly, do you think that he says racist and inflammatory things to rile his fans?
I may have back issues but I'm not spineless.
My skin is in though as I've said before, I answer to myself first and foremost.
Trump? Not a supporter (and think what his dumbass and/or misguided fans do is on them) but I do appreciate his saying what he thinks, PC or not, vs what the handlers and PR folks of others feed their cattle.
You feel the same as them.
I think he has passed beyond saying what he thinks (that's bad enough lol) and into the realm of saying what he thinks (knows) people want to hear.
That makes him every bit the mainstream politician he claims (and his followers believe) not to be.
I have been loving the parentheses lately, it seems to me they are underutilized, commas get all the love, but interjecting a thought with parentheses seems cleaner. Really puts you into a quick aside...
Da' Maniac.
So do you appreciate him saying he's not responsible for the hatred and violence that he's directly inciting yet, denying?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Everyone is flawed right?
PJFan (and anyone else, while we're at at), it's cool if you want to assume how I feel. Wouldn't be the first time.
gambo, I write how I write.