Trump's rally in Chicago stopped due to protests

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Shawshank said:

I find it funny the crowds in that shit box called Chicago organize a massive protest against someone who will probably help give them more job opportunities than any president in the last quarter century, but seem to have zero interest in organizing massive protests in opposition to the fuckers that slaughter their fellow ctizens on a daily basis. What a bunch of dumbasses.

As a private businessman, Donald Trump has created 22,000 jobs, and brought in an annual revenue of $9.5 billion last year.

Interesting

brianlux

Pearl34Jam said:

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

C'mon Brian...you know I'm one of these conservative fans. It is not odd at all. I always say...I like left wing music and right wing literature. I may not agree with Pearl Jam on many political issues but I absolutely love their passion. Music should be about love, introspection, idealism and expression of thought...any thought... and it only works when the artist is honest with who he or she is. Pearl Jam does this better then anyone and as a real conservative I will defend their or any progressives artist ability to speak even when it offends. Take Bushleaguer for example...it is the complete opposite from my thoughts on Bush but I actually think it is fantastic both as a "protest" song and as a straight-up art piece when the Bush mask is worn. This shouldn't be "perplexing" to you. Conservatives don't need "safe spaces" or "trigger warnings". We don't see opposing view points as "hate speech" and can actually respect those view points and even enjoy them when they are delivered intelligently. Don't be perplexed man.

100%

I'm glad you guys enjoy the music. I still think it's a bit strange that you come here to discuss politics. It's your perfect right, of course. But personally, I would not choose a band site that is so very much contrary to my beliefs on which to discuss politics. I might discuss the music or the weather or my cat or dog, but I would not have the slightest inclination to waste my time discussing politics. I don't see what you get out of it.

Just curious- besides A Moving Train, about what percentage of your time here do you guiys post on the various other forums sections- the Porch, Other Music, All Encompassing Trip, etc. Surely you must spend a majority of your posting time on PJ related forum sections since that's what it's about for you, correct?

As a matter of fact, I rarely check or post in AMT. I usually post in The Porch.

And the reason I decide to discuss politics here is because I honestly want to hear what the other side has to say on issues. I find it interesting.

And I don't add insults when someone disagrees with me, which is what many seem to do here. I disagree in peace!

Yeah, you're right, this is a good place to discuss current events. It gets warm in here, but that's life.

No, insults are not cool. If you ever believe I have insulted you, tell me. I pretty try to keep my criticisms more general. If you already believe I insulted you, my apologies. I really don't like doing that.

I'm just now thinking of this D Boon lyric:

FAKE CONTEST

I'm making my case against a stack full of comics
Here comes the line...
I'm loaded with rocket fuel!

Industry Industry
We're tools for the industry
We're clothes in the laundry
Bleached of identity
You lie there naked
I lie here naked
Both on the pavement
Why are we different?

You lie there naked
I lie here naked
Both on the pavement
Why are we different?

SundaySilence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukFAvYP3UU

brianlux

^^^ haha! Perfection!

Go Beavers

Shawshank said:

I find it funny the crowds in that shit box called Chicago organize a massive protest against someone who will probably help give them more job opportunities than any president in the last quarter century, but seem to have zero interest in organizing massive protests in opposition to the fuckers that slaughter their fellow ctizens on a daily basis. What a bunch of dumbasses.

How will Trump create jobs?

And not everything that happens makes the conservative web pages:
chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-black-crime-glanton-talk-20151206-story.html

rgambs

Shawshank said:

I find it funny the crowds in that shit box called Chicago organize a massive protest against someone who will probably help give them more job opportunities than any president in the last quarter century, but seem to have zero interest in organizing massive protests in opposition to the fuckers that slaughter their fellow ctizens on a daily basis. What a bunch of dumbasses.

So who are they are supposed to organize massive protests against?

rgambs

Pearl34Jam said:

josevolution said:

Protester was beat up today !

They shouldn't have protested.

Brilliant.
Absolutely brilliant.

I might have to agree! When a child taunts a dog and gets bit, you don't blame the dog, it's just a dumb animal that doesn't know better. If they burn their hand on the stove, you don't blame the stove, it doesn't have a brain.

I think I have to agree with you, this analogy fits pretty perfect with the dumb animals and brainless machines that sucker punch peaceful protesters and then threaten to kill them.

Are you not ashamed to stand with that hillbilly disgrace?

rgambs

Can someone please post a photo of the woman making the Nazi salute for our resident Trump fans? I can't technology.

josevolution

rgambs said:

Can someone please post a photo of the woman making the Nazi salute for our resident Trump fans? I can't technology.

You could put up Picts of these fools in full nazi uniforms and his fans wouldn't care he can do or say anything and his supporters will vote for him even his supporters here wouldn't show outrage at something like that !!

rgambs

josevolution said:

rgambs said:

Can someone please post a photo of the woman making the Nazi salute for our resident Trump fans? I can't technology.

You could put up Picts of these fools in full nazi uniforms and his fans wouldn't care he can do or say anything and his supporters will vote for him even his supporters here wouldn't show outrage at something like that !!

Very true, but it matters to me that their utter lack of shame be publicly documented. If Trump wins or loses we should remember who was on his side as a society and remember that they openly embraced (or conveniently looked away from) the rise of American facism.

eddiec

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

I get where you're coming from Brian. I do find it somewhat strange. Not strange that people who disagree with their politics can still enjoy their music- that's completely understandable. But if you are on this forum, Pearl Jam must be your favorite band, or at least in your top 3. Of course I Iisten to and enjoy bands who I don't agree with politically but if PJ constantly mocked Obama and wrote songs stating he was an asshole I really don't think I would call them my favorite band and definitely wouldn't pay money to be part of their fan club. Music and politics have always been closely intertwined. I mean, how can anyone truly appreciate someone like Bob Dylan if you promote war and violence.

When I first found out that Ann Coulter listed The Grateful Dead as one of her favorite bands I had to do a double take. Ann Coulter represents everything The Grateful Dead were against. Maybe she just likes their jams but somehow I can't picture Ann Coulter at a Dead show.

Bentleyspop

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

Shawshank said:

I find it funny the crowds in that shit box called Chicago organize a massive protest against someone who will probably help give them more job opportunities than any president in the last quarter century, but seem to have zero interest in organizing massive protests in opposition to the fuckers that slaughter their fellow ctizens on a daily basis. What a bunch of dumbasses.

The citizens of Chicago who have watched their city turn in to the joke of America? Who have watched crime and murder hit an all time high? Who have watched their Public School System turn into a absolute joke? Who have watched a bunch of corrupt politicians run that city to the ground? Yet keep on electing the Democrats, for the last 80 years?

Those citizens?

You forgot the overly corrupt and inefficient police force.

mrussel1

eddiec said:

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

I get where you're coming from Brian. I do find it somewhat strange. Not strange that people who disagree with their politics can still enjoy their music- that's completely understandable. But if you are on this forum, Pearl Jam must be your favorite band, or at least in your top 3. Of course I Iisten to and enjoy bands who I don't agree with politically but if PJ constantly mocked Obama and wrote songs stating he was an asshole I really don't think I would call them my favorite band and definitely wouldn't pay money to be part of their fan club. Music and politics have always been closely intertwined. I mean, how can anyone truly appreciate someone like Bob Dylan if you promote war and violence.

When I first found out that Ann Coulter listed The Grateful Dead as one of her favorite bands I had to do a double take. Ann Coulter represents everything The Grateful Dead were against. Maybe she just likes their jams but somehow I can't picture Ann Coulter at a Dead show.

Or how Paul Ryan said his favorite band was Rage, during his VP campaign. That astounded me.

rr165892

mrussel1 said:

eddiec said:

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

I get where you're coming from Brian. I do find it somewhat strange. Not strange that people who disagree with their politics can still enjoy their music- that's completely understandable. But if you are on this forum, Pearl Jam must be your favorite band, or at least in your top 3. Of course I Iisten to and enjoy bands who I don't agree with politically but if PJ constantly mocked Obama and wrote songs stating he was an asshole I really don't think I would call them my favorite band and definitely wouldn't pay money to be part of their fan club. Music and politics have always been closely intertwined. I mean, how can anyone truly appreciate someone like Bob Dylan if you promote war and violence.

When I first found out that Ann Coulter listed The Grateful Dead as one of her favorite bands I had to do a double take. Ann Coulter represents everything The Grateful Dead were against. Maybe she just likes their jams but somehow I can't picture Ann Coulter at a Dead show.

Or how Paul Ryan said his favorite band was Rage, during his VP campaign. That astounded me.

Why?
Plenty of Rep rockers.

Gern Blansten

I guess because Rage is the exact opposite of everything the GOP stands for?

BS44325

InHiding80 said:

Free said:

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

As long as they don't yell at shows to "shut up and sing". Conservative fans are fully welcome being PJ fans, as long as they don't expect an openly politically and socially liberal band to be something they're not.

You don't see Vedder telling the other side to get lost like like Nugent has done at his shows.

Not true. Eddie specifically called conservative fans "idiots" at Molson Amphiteater show in Toronto on June 28 2003. I was there. Not exactly "get lost" but I thought it was in poor taste when it came to political discourse.

mrussel1

rr165892 said:

mrussel1 said:

eddiec said:

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

I get where you're coming from Brian. I do find it somewhat strange. Not strange that people who disagree with their politics can still enjoy their music- that's completely understandable. But if you are on this forum, Pearl Jam must be your favorite band, or at least in your top 3. Of course I Iisten to and enjoy bands who I don't agree with politically but if PJ constantly mocked Obama and wrote songs stating he was an asshole I really don't think I would call them my favorite band and definitely wouldn't pay money to be part of their fan club. Music and politics have always been closely intertwined. I mean, how can anyone truly appreciate someone like Bob Dylan if you promote war and violence.

When I first found out that Ann Coulter listed The Grateful Dead as one of her favorite bands I had to do a double take. Ann Coulter represents everything The Grateful Dead were against. Maybe she just likes their jams but somehow I can't picture Ann Coulter at a Dead show.

Or how Paul Ryan said his favorite band was Rage, during his VP campaign. That astounded me.

Why?
Plenty of Rep rockers.

Sure but Paul Ryan is a conservative and total establishment. I can't think of one Rage songs that connects with a Paul Ryan budget plan.

If he would have said Zeppelin, Hendrix, even Nirvana, I would not have thought twice. But Rage? Even if true, it's silly.

rr165892

But music transcends the pettiness of partisan politics does it not?

Music Is the one thing we all agree on here.Or we wouldn't be debating world issues on a Rock bands fan site.

bootlegger10

mrussel1 said:

rr165892 said:

mrussel1 said:

eddiec said:

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

I get where you're coming from Brian. I do find it somewhat strange. Not strange that people who disagree with their politics can still enjoy their music- that's completely understandable. But if you are on this forum, Pearl Jam must be your favorite band, or at least in your top 3. Of course I Iisten to and enjoy bands who I don't agree with politically but if PJ constantly mocked Obama and wrote songs stating he was an asshole I really don't think I would call them my favorite band and definitely wouldn't pay money to be part of their fan club. Music and politics have always been closely intertwined. I mean, how can anyone truly appreciate someone like Bob Dylan if you promote war and violence.

When I first found out that Ann Coulter listed The Grateful Dead as one of her favorite bands I had to do a double take. Ann Coulter represents everything The Grateful Dead were against. Maybe she just likes their jams but somehow I can't picture Ann Coulter at a Dead show.

Or how Paul Ryan said his favorite band was Rage, during his VP campaign. That astounded me.

Why?
Plenty of Rep rockers.

Sure but Paul Ryan is a conservative and total establishment. I can't think of one Rage songs that connects with a Paul Ryan budget plan.

If he would have said Zeppelin, Hendrix, even Nirvana, I would not have thought twice. But Rage? Even if true, it's silly.

Again, some people aren't scared of others' ideas. Some people don't have a fragile shell that will collapse if they aren't surrounded by only things that are comfortable and agreeable to them.

JimmyV

rgambs said:

Can someone please post a photo of the woman making the Nazi salute for our resident Trump fans? I can't technology.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/trump-supporter-who-made-nazi-salute-explains-why-she-made-the-gesture/?_r=0