Trump

Ledbetterman10

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

So let me guess there's posters here who believe that's it's ok to condone & promote sexual assault on women like this Predator Trump has been doing for yrs ...

I could be wrong but I'm not sure I have seen that written anywhere. There are people though who think Trump's comments are disgusting yet less disgusting then Bill and Hillary's actions.

It's going to be crazy at tonight's debate. I'm expecting Trump to acknowledge his comments, maybe even apologize, and then say "But...." and go right into Bill Clinton sexual assault allegations, which is what he's wants to do anyway. So in a very, very fucked-up way, this leaked audio of Trump might work in his favor, ridiculous as that sounds.

You know, I can almost live with Trump's past as a corrupt and fraudulent businessman, as well as the horrible policies he's trying to push during his campaign. Hey it's not like I was a fan of all the polices proposed by Gore, Bush, Obama, McCain, or Romney either. What drives me nuts is that he's not being held to the same standards that all past candidates have been. If any of the five guys I just mentioned did or said half the things Trump has, they'd be done.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

It must be infuriating that Trump is a constant thread on the first page of this oh so heavenly thing called AMT.
I never would've once thought that all the Hillary supporters could not even gather a win to get Trump off the first page of AMT.
Hmmm.....

I have actually found these metrics interesting for a very long time. This thread is up to about 70000 views since February and other then "the train car lounge" which has been around for many years it might be the most widely viewed and commented on page in the whole AMT. This is probably consistent with other social media sites such as facebook and twitter. It makes me wonder about the theory that "all attention is good attention" i.e. Trump for better or worse has driven every single aspect of this election since the moment he came down the escalator. He is giving people reality tv and people can't stop watching. No matter what happens we will all keep tuning in right until the season finale on election day.

I think generally speaking, no attention is bad attention in today's world. Sad and pathetic as that may be. But there has to be a point where it is bad.... right? Sometime?

You would think but this is from Morning Consult just this morning

https://morningconsult.com/2016/10/09/republican-voters-remain-loyal-trump-first-national-poll-video/

The spread is 42-38 for Clinton which is about the same as it's been since the day this race started. Like you said it's pretty much 40-40 base of support and what happens in the middle? People have factored in his idiocy but also her dishonesty. She can't seem to rise above the low 40's and he can't seem to get above the high 30's. The advantage is still with her but not if the turnout models are off. The Clinton campaign cannot rest on it's laurels...they have to excite their base and get their vote out otherwise he could conceivably still win in a change environment.

BS44325

Ledbetterman10 said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

So let me guess there's posters here who believe that's it's ok to condone & promote sexual assault on women like this Predator Trump has been doing for yrs ...

I could be wrong but I'm not sure I have seen that written anywhere. There are people though who think Trump's comments are disgusting yet less disgusting then Bill and Hillary's actions.

It's going to be crazy at tonight's debate. I'm expecting Trump to acknowledge his comments, maybe even apologize, and then say "But...." and go right into Bill Clinton sexual assault allegations, which is what he's wants to do anyway. So in a very, very fucked-up way, this leaked audio of Trump might work in his favor, ridiculous as that sounds.

You know, I can almost live with Trump's past as a corrupt and fraudulent businessman, as well as the horrible policies he's trying to push during his campaign. Hey it's not like I was a fan of all the polices proposed by Gore, Bush, Obama, McCain, or Romney either. What drives me nuts is that he's not being held to the same standards that all past candidates have been. If any of the five guys I just mentioned did or said half the things Trump has, they'd be done.

It might be why these attacks eventually fail. Here's a flashback to 2008:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/08/johnmccain.gender

They turned McCain into a full on misogynist

"How can purported feminists even contemplate voting for McCain when his creepy, fighter-jock attitude toward women has left a trail throughout his public career?"

Also let's not forget Mitt Romney and his "binder full of women". He was talking about resumés but they turned him into an anti-women candidate as well.

This time it's different but the average person might just tune the sexism angle out especially with Bill potentially moving back into the White House.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

So let me guess there's posters here who believe that's it's ok to condone & promote sexual assault on women like this Predator Trump has been doing for yrs ...

I could be wrong but I'm not sure I have seen that written anywhere. There are people though who think Trump's comments are disgusting yet less disgusting then Bill and Hillary's actions.

It's going to be crazy at tonight's debate. I'm expecting Trump to acknowledge his comments, maybe even apologize, and then say "But...." and go right into Bill Clinton sexual assault allegations, which is what he's wants to do anyway. So in a very, very fucked-up way, this leaked audio of Trump might work in his favor, ridiculous as that sounds.

You know, I can almost live with Trump's past as a corrupt and fraudulent businessman, as well as the horrible policies he's trying to push during his campaign. Hey it's not like I was a fan of all the polices proposed by Gore, Bush, Obama, McCain, or Romney either. What drives me nuts is that he's not being held to the same standards that all past candidates have been. If any of the five guys I just mentioned did or said half the things Trump has, they'd be done.

It might be why these attacks eventually fail. Here's a flashback to 2008:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/08/johnmccain.gender

They turned McCain into a full on misogynist

"How can purported feminists even contemplate voting for McCain when his creepy, fighter-jock attitude toward women has left a trail throughout his public career?"

Also let's not forget Mitt Romney and his "binder full of women". He was talking about resumés but they turned him into an anti-women candidate as well.

This time it's different but the average person might just tune the sexism angle out especially with Bill potentially moving back into the White House.

I never thought of McCain or Romney as sexist myself. They may have been clumsy and I didn't like their policies generally. I did hate Palin because she was stupid so that was a non starter. Regardless, I hope the lesson we all take out of this is to be more measured in our language and denunciations. The last two GOP candidates don't look so bad when compared to this POS. Anyway, I'm not hopeful but at least maybe we know what the real bottom of the barrel looks like now. Maybe we know...

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

It must be infuriating that Trump is a constant thread on the first page of this oh so heavenly thing called AMT.
I never would've once thought that all the Hillary supporters could not even gather a win to get Trump off the first page of AMT.
Hmmm.....

I have actually found these metrics interesting for a very long time. This thread is up to about 70000 views since February and other then "the train car lounge" which has been around for many years it might be the most widely viewed and commented on page in the whole AMT. This is probably consistent with other social media sites such as facebook and twitter. It makes me wonder about the theory that "all attention is good attention" i.e. Trump for better or worse has driven every single aspect of this election since the moment he came down the escalator. He is giving people reality tv and people can't stop watching. No matter what happens we will all keep tuning in right until the season finale on election day.

I think generally speaking, no attention is bad attention in today's world. Sad and pathetic as that may be. But there has to be a point where it is bad.... right? Sometime?

You would think but this is from Morning Consult just this morning

https://morningconsult.com/2016/10/09/republican-voters-remain-loyal-trump-first-national-poll-video/

The spread is 42-38 for Clinton which is about the same as it's been since the day this race started. Like you said it's pretty much 40-40 base of support and what happens in the middle? People have factored in his idiocy but also her dishonesty. She can't seem to rise above the low 40's and he can't seem to get above the high 30's. The advantage is still with her but not if the turnout models are off. The Clinton campaign cannot rest on it's laurels...they have to excite their base and get their vote out otherwise he could conceivably still win in a change environment.

I think her ceiling is 47 and floor is 42 or 43. That is four way of course. I don't think gets above 42 even in one on one. But you are correct. Ground game, ground game. And everyone agrees Clinton is stronger in the field, especially if the RNC backs off.

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

So let me guess there's posters here who believe that's it's ok to condone & promote sexual assault on women like this Predator Trump has been doing for yrs ...

I could be wrong but I'm not sure I have seen that written anywhere. There are people though who think Trump's comments are disgusting yet less disgusting then Bill and Hillary's actions.

Wrong. People defended the comments as normal.

BS44325

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

So let me guess there's posters here who believe that's it's ok to condone & promote sexual assault on women like this Predator Trump has been doing for yrs ...

I could be wrong but I'm not sure I have seen that written anywhere. There are people though who think Trump's comments are disgusting yet less disgusting then Bill and Hillary's actions.

Wrong. People defended the comments as normal.

Ok...I guess...but don't fault these fools...they probably came of age during the Clinton administration where behaviour such as this was constantly being brushed off as "just sex". Clinton was made to be a hero who defeated the vast right wing conspiracy...how could these idiots know better?

JC29856

http://prospect.org/article/how-real-estate-lobby-and-trump-got-huge-tax-break



This tax break is not available to your average person with real-estate investments on the side, but almost entirely to a wealthy few who make their primary business in the real-estate industry. It’s the product of an aggressive industry lobbying campaign to restore favorable tax treatment for real-estate professionals—after Congress instituted strict limitations in 1986—that was ultimately slipped into a massive tax bill passed by a Democratic Congress and signed into law in 1993 by President Bill Clinton. The provision was touted as a way to help your average professional in the real-estate industry—like a realtor or home-builder—who may have modest amounts of rental income on the side. But the real force behind the change, McIntyre says, were industry titans like Trump who could now use their massive amounts of artificial loss from interest payments and depreciation to entirely avoid paying income tax.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

So let me guess there's posters here who believe that's it's ok to condone & promote sexual assault on women like this Predator Trump has been doing for yrs ...

I could be wrong but I'm not sure I have seen that written anywhere. There are people though who think Trump's comments are disgusting yet less disgusting then Bill and Hillary's actions.

Wrong. People defended the comments as normal.

I dont think so. i saw people saying that lewd comments among men were normal. no one was saying that admitting to sexual assault was normal.

HughFreakingDillon

alec baldwin playing trump on snl is gold. but then, someone on facebook mentioned the irony of that, with the leak of his message to his daughter calling her a disgusting pig. forgot about that.

HughFreakingDillon

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

InHiding80 said:

Unsung,ledvedder and Paul just prove my point.



Why ask for Trumps Wall when you built one for yourselves to block facts coming from me and others?

Did I just get lumped in with unsung? And did I just get get called a Republican?

No you are just being attacked by liberal hate.
It is vicious and unforgiving.
They are upset that Trump is still around and has very, very good possibility of being POTUS.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

It must be infuriating that Trump is a constant thread on the first page of this oh so heavenly thing called AMT.
I never would've once thought that all the Hillary supporters could not even gather a win to get Trump off the first page of AMT.
Hmmm.....

what an odd thing to say. why do think it would be infuriating to his detractors that he is on the first page? it is mostly his detractors posting in this thread as he gives so much material to discuss.

BS44325

HughFreakingDillon said:

alec baldwin playing trump on snl is gold. but then, someone on facebook mentioned the irony of that, with the leak of his message to his daughter calling her a disgusting pig. forgot about that.

NBC had access to these Trump tapes and more for years and yet paid millions of dollars to a known "promoter of sexual assault". NBC/SNL also invited him to host the show. You mention Alec Baldwin who has his own troubled history but there were other abusers of women who graced the SNL stage, the most prominent being Chris Brown. He assaulted Rihanna in 2009 yet was invited to perform in 2011. This is nothing new and it is why I still believe the outrage is phony.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

So let me guess there's posters here who believe that's it's ok to condone & promote sexual assault on women like this Predator Trump has been doing for yrs ...

I could be wrong but I'm not sure I have seen that written anywhere. There are people though who think Trump's comments are disgusting yet less disgusting then Bill and Hillary's actions.

Wrong. People defended the comments as normal.

I dont think so. i saw people saying that lewd comments among men were normal. no one was saying that admitting to sexual assault was normal.

Did you read someone else's post and then reply to mine by accident?
People were saying that what Trump said was normal banter among men and that all men talk like that. They defended his comments about sexual assault as normal.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

alec baldwin playing trump on snl is gold. but then, someone on facebook mentioned the irony of that, with the leak of his message to his daughter calling her a disgusting pig. forgot about that.

That didn't escape me, but how is that really relevant to this conversation?

BS44325

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

alec baldwin playing trump on snl is gold. but then, someone on facebook mentioned the irony of that, with the leak of his message to his daughter calling her a disgusting pig. forgot about that.

That didn't escape me, but how is that really relevant to this conversation?

He who lives in a glass house...

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

alec baldwin playing trump on snl is gold. but then, someone on facebook mentioned the irony of that, with the leak of his message to his daughter calling her a disgusting pig. forgot about that.

That didn't escape me, but how is that really relevant to this conversation?

He who lives in a glass house...

It's Alec Baldwin. Who gives a shit? He's an actor playing a role. Has nothing to do with the matter at hand, which is Trump.

Wobbie

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

It must be infuriating that Trump is a constant thread on the first page of this oh so heavenly thing called AMT.
I never would've once thought that all the Hillary supporters could not even gather a win to get Trump off the first page of AMT.
Hmmm.....

It's like rubbernecking a car accident.....I can't wait to see what the Trumpers will throw out next.

2-feign-reluctance

Anyone still honestly think Trump will win next month? Kind of sick that with his latest issue that some Republicans & voters have finally had enough.

InHiding80

2-feign-reluctance said:

Anyone still honestly think Trump will win next month? Kind of sick that with his latest issue that some Republicans & voters have finally had enough.

Nate Silver says hell no! He's at 18 percent chance of winning last update I checked.

Gern Blansten

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/producer-theres-video-of-trump-saying-the-n-word-but-itll-cost-5-million-to-get-it/