Trump

benjs

BS44325 said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.

I can't help but think that arrogance, pro-isolationist stances, flippancy, racism, sexism, and compulsive lying aren't exactly strong leading indicators for success. "Risky" change seems to be putting it incredibly nicely compared to the reality.

brianlux

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe true republicans would vote for the idiot....just the idea of how he would promote his own business is disturbing.

If he was a dem the republicans would be going nuclear on that side of the equation.

There is no such thing as a dem with a business. That's why they're a dem to begin with!

Oh my god!!! My book business just disappeared! GONE!!! I can't find it!!! What the....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

benjs

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe true republicans would vote for the idiot....just the idea of how he would promote his own business is disturbing.

If he was a dem the republicans would be going nuclear on that side of the equation.

There is no such thing as a dem with a business. That's why they're a dem to begin with!

Oh my god!!! My book business just disappeared! GONE!!! I can't find it!!! What the....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If only you were a Republican, Brian

My dad's photography business just disappeared too.

BS44325

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.

I can't help but think that arrogance, pro-isolationist stances, flippancy, racism, sexism, and compulsive lying aren't exactly strong leading indicators for success. "Risky" change seems to be putting it incredibly nicely compared to the reality.

The majority of the public isn't buying the racism/sexism charges...that card has been maxed out. The average person might agree with you on the arrogance, pro-isolationist stances, and flippancy but they see that as a feature and not a bug. The compulsive lying? I think the average person just doesn't care as they know he is not "ideological". They see it as a man who is winging it as he goes. Flip-flopping is an irrelevant charge against Trump because he is looked at as someone who will do what is necessary to"fix" things. If something doesn't work he will alter course and try again or even cut his losses and not pour in bad money after good. For better or worse this is where the public's head is at and to defeat him Hillary will have to take a far different course. She will have to sell herself.

Go Beavers

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.

Jason P

Trump does have a good shot at breaking Obama's most rounds of golf played while being POTUS record. So he has that going for him.

BS44325

Go Beavers said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.

It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.

benjs

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.

I can't help but think that arrogance, pro-isolationist stances, flippancy, racism, sexism, and compulsive lying aren't exactly strong leading indicators for success. "Risky" change seems to be putting it incredibly nicely compared to the reality.

The majority of the public isn't buying the racism/sexism charges...that card has been maxed out. The average person might agree with you on the arrogance, pro-isolationist stances, and flippancy but they see that as a feature and not a bug. The compulsive lying? I think the average person just doesn't care as they know he is not "ideological". They see it as a man who is winging it as he goes. Flip-flopping is an irrelevant charge against Trump because he is looked at as someone who will do what is necessary to"fix" things. If something doesn't work he will alter course and try again or even cut his losses and not pour in bad money after good. For better or worse this is where the public's head is at and to defeat him Hillary will have to take a far different course. She will have to sell herself.

I guess you're right that pro-isolationism is being seen as a feature (since it's in line with nationalism). Flippancy is not exactly a great virtue for anyone attempting to maintain diplomatic relationships with foreign countries, nor is arrogance, but as you said, people may truly put nationalism on such a pedestal that these are moot points. With regards to the acceptance of his "winging it", this seems like a very short-sighted decision on the part of the public: anyone in any form of project management will tell you that changing your mind on a design at the eleventh hour is a costly venture (whether your cost is in effort or dollars) - I'd imagine that the POTUS exhibiting these tendencies would be a fiscal nightmare. All of this being said, sadly, I think your fairly low expectations of the public's perceptions are probably accurate, so I agree - the Clinton campaign must react pretty quickly if they wish to garner support.

HughFreakingDillon

any time there is a president in office from one party for two terms, the other party's members come out of the woodwork no matter the candidate.

fife

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.

It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.

BS44325 said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.

so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.

BS44325

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.

I can't help but think that arrogance, pro-isolationist stances, flippancy, racism, sexism, and compulsive lying aren't exactly strong leading indicators for success. "Risky" change seems to be putting it incredibly nicely compared to the reality.

The majority of the public isn't buying the racism/sexism charges...that card has been maxed out. The average person might agree with you on the arrogance, pro-isolationist stances, and flippancy but they see that as a feature and not a bug. The compulsive lying? I think the average person just doesn't care as they know he is not "ideological". They see it as a man who is winging it as he goes. Flip-flopping is an irrelevant charge against Trump because he is looked at as someone who will do what is necessary to"fix" things. If something doesn't work he will alter course and try again or even cut his losses and not pour in bad money after good. For better or worse this is where the public's head is at and to defeat him Hillary will have to take a far different course. She will have to sell herself.

I guess you're right that pro-isolationism is being seen as a feature (since it's in line with nationalism). Flippancy is not exactly a great virtue for anyone attempting to maintain diplomatic relationships with foreign countries, nor is arrogance, but as you said, people may truly put nationalism on such a pedestal that these are moot points. With regards to the acceptance of his "winging it", this seems like a very short-sighted decision on the part of the public: anyone in any form of project management will tell you that changing your mind on a design at the eleventh hour is a costly venture (whether your cost is in effort or dollars) - I'd imagine that the POTUS exhibiting these tendencies would be a fiscal nightmare. All of this being said, sadly, I think your fairly low expectations of the public's perceptions are probably accurate, so I agree - the Clinton campaign must react pretty quickly if they wish to garner support.

I agree with you on the project management front but the public keeps hearing about his buildings going up "on time and on budget" so he continues to get a pass on this issue.

BS44325

fife said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.

It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.

BS44325 said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.

so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.

Yes

fife

BS44325 said:

fife said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.

It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.

BS44325 said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.

so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.

Yes

why?

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe true republicans would vote for the idiot....just the idea of how he would promote his own business is disturbing.

If he was a dem the republicans would be going nuclear on that side of the equation.

There is no such thing as a dem with a business. That's why they're a dem to begin with!

That's so wrong. I'm proof right in your face.

HughFreakingDillon

knowing that he asked why the US can't use nukes whenever they want should scare the fuck out of everyone in the country.

mrussel1

fife said:

BS44325 said:

fife said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.

It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.

BS44325 said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.

so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.

Yes

why?

He's Canadian. It's not his chance to take.

Jason P

HughFreakingDillon said:

knowing that he asked why the US can't use nukes whenever they want should scare the fuck out of everyone in the country.

we can't?

fife

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

knowing that he asked why the US can't use nukes whenever they want should scare the fuck out of everyone in the country.

we can't?

actually, you can use them any time you want but the better question is why would you want to?

HughFreakingDillon

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

knowing that he asked why the US can't use nukes whenever they want should scare the fuck out of everyone in the country.

we can't?

sure you can. not as in "not allowed", but "why shouldn't we".

he asked "if we have nuclear weapons why can't we use them?". he's an ignorant buffoon.

Halifax2TheMax

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe true republicans would vote for the idiot....just the idea of how he would promote his own business is disturbing.

If he was a dem the republicans would be going nuclear on that side of the equation.

There is no such thing as a dem with a business. That's why they're a dem to begin with!

So says a member of the international deplorable coalition.