Talking about being able to do whatever you want to women, just walking up and kissing them and grabbing their pussies?????? There are a lot of men who do not say shit like this. You are saying that all men make crass, belittling comments about sexually assaulting women and talking about them like they are objects for them to control and and use?? You think all men do that? GROSS. Thank God I know not all men are like this. Thank God I know men who aren't. Otherwise I would hate men.
Holy fuck, I've got smoke coming out of my ears over this one.
It's not true. Many men will make comments like "that girl is hot". That would not be unusual. But to move into his comments is not normal. At all.
I have a client, a big client. And he's a total asshole. The first dinner I went to with him, I brought two of directs who are women, early 30's. Pros. Smart. Liberal, etc. Anyway, this guy didn't hit on them, but he spent the dinner talking like Trump. As an example, he talked about how on Mondays he goes to the Van Nuys clinic because that's the day porn stars can get tested for free, and you can guess the rest. He looks to pick them up there. He's married and a total pig. No one in my company is allowed to go to parties thrown by him or his team. Dinners are limited to me or my CEO. That's it. We don't want to our people caught in a compromising situation with him or to subject them to his grotesque sexism. It isn't normal or common.
Thank you, and I know that not all men are like that of course, and the only men I spend my time with would be incredibly uncomfortable if another man was saying shit like that. I feel sad that some men obviously don't even understand that many of their fellow men think they are disrespectful pigs. Apparently they just walk around blissfully unaware of how they are making themselves look like huge assholes, convinced that all men are like them, lol. Pathetic. One thing that might help is of more of the decent men actually called them out rather than just smiling awkwardly and trying to change the subject. I understand in business situations like the one you were in that osn't really possible, but generally - like in the locker room!!! - men saying something to shut the pigs down would help end this kind of abusive, disrespectiful talk about women a lot faster. Silver lining though! This whole thing with Trump really has brought this issue put in the open. It could actually really have an impact on making this kind of thing much less acceptable than it is now for a lot of unenlightened men.
It is tough in business. You sort of chuckle uncomfortably and say... "hey no, Doug..that's enough. We get it". About half the time people get the message. Only half though..
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
we are talking about comments from 11 years ago during a private conversation. We ve all talked out of our ass at one time when amongst friends. And I agree, the vast majority of us have grown up. But when my friends and I do get together every few years you damn well know stories are brought up. I think that's just being a guy.
The whole argument that it was 11 years ago is total bullshit. The man was around 60 years old, the head of a billion dollar organization and a national figure. No one should speak in this manner but ESPECIALLY someone in Trump's position at the time.
Talking about being able to do whatever you want to women, just walking up and kissing them and grabbing their pussies?????? There are a lot of men who do not say shit like this. You are saying that all men make crass, belittling comments about sexually assaulting women and talking about them like they are objects for them to control and and use?? You think all men do that? GROSS. Thank God I know not all men are like this. Thank God I know men who aren't. Otherwise I would hate men.
Holy fuck, I've got smoke coming out of my ears over this one.
It's not true. Many men will make comments like "that girl is hot". That would not be unusual. But to move into his comments is not normal. At all.
I have a client, a big client. And he's a total asshole. The first dinner I went to with him, I brought two of directs who are women, early 30's. Pros. Smart. Liberal, etc. Anyway, this guy didn't hit on them, but he spent the dinner talking like Trump. As an example, he talked about how on Mondays he goes to the Van Nuys clinic because that's the day porn stars can get tested for free, and you can guess the rest. He looks to pick them up there. He's married and a total pig. No one in my company is allowed to go to parties thrown by him or his team. Dinners are limited to me or my CEO. That's it. We don't want to our people caught in a compromising situation with him or to subject them to his grotesque sexism. It isn't normal or common.
Thank you, and I know that not all men are like that of course, and the only men I spend my time with would be incredibly uncomfortable if another man was saying shit like that. I feel sad that some men obviously don't even understand that many of their fellow men think they are disrespectful pigs. Apparently they just walk around blissfully unaware of how they are making themselves look like huge assholes, convinced that all men are like them, lol. Pathetic. One thing that might help is of more of the decent men actually called them out rather than just smiling awkwardly and trying to change the subject. I understand in business situations like the one you were in that osn't really possible, but generally - like in the locker room!!! - men saying something to shut the pigs down would help end this kind of abusive, disrespectiful talk about women a lot faster. Silver lining though! This whole thing with Trump really has brought this issue put in the open. It could actually really have an impact on making this kind of thing much less acceptable than it is now for a lot of unenlightened men.
It is tough in business. You sort of chuckle uncomfortably and say... "hey no, Doug..that's enough. We get it". About half the time people get the message. Only half though..
But why does business get a pass? Is it more important that human dignity? Don't get my wrong- I get it to some degree. No one wants to lose their job. But consider being as bold as you can. And when you get older like me, don't cut these pigs any slack. It's your right and duty as an old fart to not let people get away with that kind of crap.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
You make my point for me....we have said it, learned from it, and have grown up...this was a private conversation 11 years ago!!!!
what says that Trump hasn't??? Look im not a fan of his but this stuff is getting ridiculous what the media (as well as us individuals) decide to pick and chose what is important and looking over more serious political issues affecting us
man if smartphones and other recording devices were around as much as they were back when I was acting a fool I probably would never have gotten a job anywhere
im sorry what he said has ZERO affect on me and what this country needs from a politician...HRC has the change to bring the ultimate sleezeball back into the White House and a woman with 30 years of destruction that follows her
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
we are talking about comments from 11 years ago during a private conversation. We ve all talked out of our ass at one time when amongst friends. And I agree, the vast majority of us have grown up. But when my friends and I do get together every few years you damn well know stories are brought up. I think that's just being a guy.
So you get together with your old buddies and talk about women as objects and about how you can just roll up on them and grope their pussies and how you can actually do whatever you want to them because you have the power? That's being a guy? Gimme a break dude. Why are you defending this shit?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
You make my point for me....we have said it, learned from it, and have grown up...this was a private conversation 11 years ago!!!!
what says that Trump hasn't??? Look im not a fan of his but this stuff is getting ridiculous what the media (as well as us individuals) decide to pick and chose what is important and looking over more serious political issues affecting us
im sorry what he said has ZERO affect on me and what this country needs from a politician...HRC has the change to bring the ultimate sleezeball back into the White House and a woman with 30 years of destruction that follows her but I don't hear anyone talking about that
Trump was about 60 fucking years old 11 years ago, and decent men don't say what he did in private or even think it. How about you be the victim of the sexual assault that he laughed about 11 years ago - the victim of multiple separate assaults - and then tell me that the reaction to his comments are ridiculous.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
we are talking about comments from 11 years ago during a private conversation. We ve all talked out of our ass at one time when amongst friends. And I agree, the vast majority of us have grown up. But when my friends and I do get together every few years you damn well know stories are brought up. I think that's just being a guy.
The whole argument that it was 11 years ago is total bullshit. The man was around 60 years old, the head of a billion dollar organization and a national figure. No one should speak in this manner but ESPECIALLY someone in Trump's position at the time.
Absolute solid point. Except for 11 years ago thing.
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
You make my point for me....we have said it, learned from it, and have grown up...this was a private conversation 11 years ago!!!!
what says that Trump hasn't??? Look im not a fan of his but this stuff is getting ridiculous what the media (as well as us individuals) decide to pick and chose what is important and looking over more serious political issues affecting us
im sorry what he said has ZERO affect on me and what this country needs from a politician...HRC has the change to bring the ultimate sleezeball back into the White House and a woman with 30 years of destruction that follows her but I don't hear anyone talking about that
Trump was about 60 fucking years old 11 years ago, and decent men don't say what he did in private or even think it. How about you be the victim of the sexual assault that he laughed about 11 years ago - the victim of multiple separate assaults - and then tell me that the reaction to his comments are ridiculous.
Wikileaks drops a bombshell on HRC and no one bats an eye, but Trump makes a comment in private that was recorded without his permission 11 years ago and everyone loses their mind
This is the country I live in now...I want no part of it
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
You make my point for me....we have said it, learned from it, and have grown up...this was a private conversation 11 years ago!!!!
what says that Trump hasn't??? Look im not a fan of his but this stuff is getting ridiculous what the media (as well as us individuals) decide to pick and chose what is important and looking over more serious political issues affecting us
man if smartphones and other recording devices were around as much as they were back when I was acting a fool I probably would never have gotten a job anywhere
im sorry what he said has ZERO affect on me and what this country needs from a politician...HRC has the change to bring the ultimate sleezeball back into the White House and a woman with 30 years of destruction that follows her
The main thing is that Trump was 60 at the time. That's very disturbing. It doesn't make my comments when I was younger any better, nor does it make Trump's better. Here's the thing though, with the way he still talks about anyone whom he disagrees with in the media and on social media...I don't have any reason to think his behavior has changed in 11 years.
I don't give a flying fuck about Hillary at the moment, and I'm not a Hillary supporter. I am talking about Donald fucking Trump. Those comments he made are the embodiment of the kind of thinking that results in the fact that at least 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted by men. His comments draw out the reason why there have been three separate men who I have never seen before in my life who felt it would be a fine idea to walk up to me and grab my pussy. This kind of talk and this attitude that you guys are defending are the crux if the whole fucking problem. And you just don't see it. You don't get it. And that is on you. You are a part of the problem, whether you know it or not.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Talking about being able to do whatever you want to women, just walking up and kissing them and grabbing their pussies?????? There are a lot of men who do not say shit like this. You are saying that all men make crass, belittling comments about sexually assaulting women and talking about them like they are objects for them to control and and use?? You think all men do that? GROSS. Thank God I know not all men are like this. Thank God I know men who aren't. Otherwise I would hate men.
Holy fuck, I've got smoke coming out of my ears over this one.
It's not true. Many men will make comments like "that girl is hot". That would not be unusual. But to move into his comments is not normal. At all.
I have a client, a big client. And he's a total asshole. The first dinner I went to with him, I brought two of directs who are women, early 30's. Pros. Smart. Liberal, etc. Anyway, this guy didn't hit on them, but he spent the dinner talking like Trump. As an example, he talked about how on Mondays he goes to the Van Nuys clinic because that's the day porn stars can get tested for free, and you can guess the rest. He looks to pick them up there. He's married and a total pig. No one in my company is allowed to go to parties thrown by him or his team. Dinners are limited to me or my CEO. That's it. We don't want to our people caught in a compromising situation with him or to subject them to his grotesque sexism. It isn't normal or common.
Thank you, and I know that not all men are like that of course, and the only men I spend my time with would be incredibly uncomfortable if another man was saying shit like that. I feel sad that some men obviously don't even understand that many of their fellow men think they are disrespectful pigs. Apparently they just walk around blissfully unaware of how they are making themselves look like huge assholes, convinced that all men are like them, lol. Pathetic. One thing that might help is of more of the decent men actually called them out rather than just smiling awkwardly and trying to change the subject. I understand in business situations like the one you were in that osn't really possible, but generally - like in the locker room!!! - men saying something to shut the pigs down would help end this kind of abusive, disrespectiful talk about women a lot faster. Silver lining though! This whole thing with Trump really has brought this issue put in the open. It could actually really have an impact on making this kind of thing much less acceptable than it is now for a lot of unenlightened men.
It is tough in business. You sort of chuckle uncomfortably and say... "hey no, Doug..that's enough. We get it". About half the time people get the message. Only half though..
But why does business get a pass? Is it more important that human dignity? Don't get my wrong- I get it to some degree. No one wants to lose their job. But consider being as bold as you can. And when you get older like me, don't cut these pigs any slack. It's your right and duty as an old fart to not let people get away with that kind of crap.
Mostly because if I don't let it pass, then I lose a big client. Losing a big client that reps 10% of your revenue means you need to cut at least 10% of your work force to compensate. My company is 60% owned by PE so that's how it works. It's not worth it to the families of the 10% to take a moral stand there.
Some of this stuff is mind blowing..seriously...have far we have fallen since the Kennedy days..which I dont personally remember. All these news shows we have now..channels devoted to nothing but news..all these different " journalists" and reporters.No wonder every bit of dirt is exposed all day..non-stop..I cant wait til November has come and gone..
I don't give a flying fuck about Hillary at the moment, and I'm not a Hillary supporter. I am talking about Donald fucking Trump. Those comments he made are the embodiment of the kind of thinking that results in the fact that at least 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted by men. His comments draw out the reason why there have been three separate men who I have never seen before in my life who felt it would be a fine idea to walk up to me and grab my pussy. This kind of talk and this attitude that you guys are defending are the crux if the whole fucking problem. And you just don't see it. You don't get it. And that is on you. You are a part of the problem, whether you know it or not.
I don't give a flying fuck about Hillary at the moment, and I'm not a Hillary supporter. I am talking about Donald fucking Trump. Those comments he made are the embodiment of the kind of thinking that results in the fact that at least 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted by men. His comments draw out the reason why there have been three separate men who I have never seen before in my life who felt it would be a fine idea to walk up to me and grab my pussy. This kind of talk and this attitude that you guys are defending are the crux if the whole fucking problem. And you just don't see it. You don't get it. And that is on you. You are a part of the problem, whether you know it or not.
Talking about being able to do whatever you want to women, just walking up and kissing them and grabbing their pussies?????? There are a lot of men who do not say shit like this. You are saying that all men make crass, belittling comments about sexually assaulting women and talking about them like they are objects for them to control and and use?? You think all men do that? GROSS. Thank God I know not all men are like this. Thank God I know men who aren't. Otherwise I would hate men.
Holy fuck, I've got smoke coming out of my ears over this one.
It's not true. Many men will make comments like "that girl is hot". That would not be unusual. But to move into his comments is not normal. At all.
I have a client, a big client. And he's a total asshole. The first dinner I went to with him, I brought two of directs who are women, early 30's. Pros. Smart. Liberal, etc. Anyway, this guy didn't hit on them, but he spent the dinner talking like Trump. As an example, he talked about how on Mondays he goes to the Van Nuys clinic because that's the day porn stars can get tested for free, and you can guess the rest. He looks to pick them up there. He's married and a total pig. No one in my company is allowed to go to parties thrown by him or his team. Dinners are limited to me or my CEO. That's it. We don't want to our people caught in a compromising situation with him or to subject them to his grotesque sexism. It isn't normal or common.
Thank you, and I know that not all men are like that of course, and the only men I spend my time with would be incredibly uncomfortable if another man was saying shit like that. I feel sad that some men obviously don't even understand that many of their fellow men think they are disrespectful pigs. Apparently they just walk around blissfully unaware of how they are making themselves look like huge assholes, convinced that all men are like them, lol. Pathetic. One thing that might help is of more of the decent men actually called them out rather than just smiling awkwardly and trying to change the subject. I understand in business situations like the one you were in that osn't really possible, but generally - like in the locker room!!! - men saying something to shut the pigs down would help end this kind of abusive, disrespectiful talk about women a lot faster. Silver lining though! This whole thing with Trump really has brought this issue put in the open. It could actually really have an impact on making this kind of thing much less acceptable than it is now for a lot of unenlightened men.
It is tough in business. You sort of chuckle uncomfortably and say... "hey no, Doug..that's enough. We get it". About half the time people get the message. Only half though..
But why does business get a pass? Is it more important that human dignity? Don't get my wrong- I get it to some degree. No one wants to lose their job. But consider being as bold as you can. And when you get older like me, don't cut these pigs any slack. It's your right and duty as an old fart to not let people get away with that kind of crap.
Well, yeah, as mrussel said, certain things need to be considered. Is, say, losing your job or something worth calling out a guy like that, assuming he's not actually threatening someone? Probably not, unless you can afford to lose it. Although if any guy said shit like that in front of me I would call it out without even thinking, lol, job be damned. However, we live in the real world. In a perfect world everyone could stand up for what's righteous, but in this one, sometimes people have to weigh things out a little more. I wouldn't expect someone to lose millions of dollars just so he could school a sexist pig at a dinner table. But yeah, if you have less to lose, don't let anyone get away with that! Again, of more men just spoke up instead of being worried about pissing someone off, progress in this area would be much faster. The MOST important players in the fight to end misogyny are other men who know better, because women and their kickback is totally ineffective against misogynists. On the contrary. It probably fuels theor mosogyny. But if they knew a lot of other men were really against their bullshit and that they won't tolerate it, real change would happen in a lot of mens' thinking, and maybe misogyny would actually fade away into history.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I don't give a flying fuck about Hillary at the moment, and I'm not a Hillary supporter. I am talking about Donald fucking Trump. Those comments he made are the embodiment of the kind of thinking that results in the fact that at least 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted by men. His comments draw out the reason why there have been three separate men who I have never seen before in my life who felt it would be a fine idea to walk up to me and grab my pussy. This kind of talk and this attitude that you guys are defending are the crux if the whole fucking problem. And you just don't see it. You don't get it. And that is on you. You are a part of the problem, whether you know it or not.
This is absolutely true. As I have read elsewhere today:
"If you're making excuses for sexual assault b/c you don't want to lose an election, you ARE Hillary Clinton."
Trump should not get a pass. We can work on Bill and Hillary next.
Talking about being able to do whatever you want to women, just walking up and kissing them and grabbing their pussies?????? There are a lot of men who do not say shit like this. You are saying that all men make crass, belittling comments about sexually assaulting women and talking about them like they are objects for them to control and and use?? You think all men do that? GROSS. Thank God I know not all men are like this. Thank God I know men who aren't. Otherwise I would hate men.
Holy fuck, I've got smoke coming out of my ears over this one.
It's not true. Many men will make comments like "that girl is hot". That would not be unusual. But to move into his comments is not normal. At all.
I have a client, a big client. And he's a total asshole. The first dinner I went to with him, I brought two of directs who are women, early 30's. Pros. Smart. Liberal, etc. Anyway, this guy didn't hit on them, but he spent the dinner talking like Trump. As an example, he talked about how on Mondays he goes to the Van Nuys clinic because that's the day porn stars can get tested for free, and you can guess the rest. He looks to pick them up there. He's married and a total pig. No one in my company is allowed to go to parties thrown by him or his team. Dinners are limited to me or my CEO. That's it. We don't want to our people caught in a compromising situation with him or to subject them to his grotesque sexism. It isn't normal or common.
Thank you, and I know that not all men are like that of course, and the only men I spend my time with would be incredibly uncomfortable if another man was saying shit like that. I feel sad that some men obviously don't even understand that many of their fellow men think they are disrespectful pigs. Apparently they just walk around blissfully unaware of how they are making themselves look like huge assholes, convinced that all men are like them, lol. Pathetic. One thing that might help is of more of the decent men actually called them out rather than just smiling awkwardly and trying to change the subject. I understand in business situations like the one you were in that osn't really possible, but generally - like in the locker room!!! - men saying something to shut the pigs down would help end this kind of abusive, disrespectiful talk about women a lot faster. Silver lining though! This whole thing with Trump really has brought this issue put in the open. It could actually really have an impact on making this kind of thing much less acceptable than it is now for a lot of unenlightened men.
It is tough in business. You sort of chuckle uncomfortably and say... "hey no, Doug..that's enough. We get it". About half the time people get the message. Only half though..
But why does business get a pass? Is it more important that human dignity? Don't get my wrong- I get it to some degree. No one wants to lose their job. But consider being as bold as you can. And when you get older like me, don't cut these pigs any slack. It's your right and duty as an old fart to not let people get away with that kind of crap.
Well, yeah, as mrussel said, certain things need to be considered. Is, say, losing your job or something worth calling out a guy like that, assuming he's not actually threatening someone? Probably not, unless you can afford to lose it. Although if any guy said shit like that in front of me I would call it out without even thinking, lol, job be damned. However, we live in the real world. In a perfect world everyone could stand up for what's righteous, but in this one, sometimes people have to weigh things out a little more. I wouldn't expect someone to lose millions of dollars just so he could school a sexist pig at a dinner table. But yeah, if you have less to lose, don't let anyone get away with that! Again, of more men just spoke up instead of being worried about phasing someone off, progress in this area would be much faster. The MOST important players in the fight to end misogyny are other men who know better, because women and their kickback is totally ineffective against misogynists. On the contrary. It probably fuels theor mosogyny. But if they knew a lot of other men were really against their bullshit and that they won't tolerate it, real change would happen in mens' thinking.
My wife encourages me to try to stay neutral at the bookstore when it comes to politics and I get that but if I saw someone grabbing at a woman or abusing a kid or kicking a dog I would not hesitate to step up and defend- with words of course. I am not one to use physical force.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Talking about being able to do whatever you want to women, just walking up and kissing them and grabbing their pussies?????? There are a lot of men who do not say shit like this. You are saying that all men make crass, belittling comments about sexually assaulting women and talking about them like they are objects for them to control and and use?? You think all men do that? GROSS. Thank God I know not all men are like this. Thank God I know men who aren't. Otherwise I would hate men.
Holy fuck, I've got smoke coming out of my ears over this one.
It's not true. Many men will make comments like "that girl is hot". That would not be unusual. But to move into his comments is not normal. At all.
I have a client, a big client. And he's a total asshole. The first dinner I went to with him, I brought two of directs who are women, early 30's. Pros. Smart. Liberal, etc. Anyway, this guy didn't hit on them, but he spent the dinner talking like Trump. As an example, he talked about how on Mondays he goes to the Van Nuys clinic because that's the day porn stars can get tested for free, and you can guess the rest. He looks to pick them up there. He's married and a total pig. No one in my company is allowed to go to parties thrown by him or his team. Dinners are limited to me or my CEO. That's it. We don't want to our people caught in a compromising situation with him or to subject them to his grotesque sexism. It isn't normal or common.
Thank you, and I know that not all men are like that of course, and the only men I spend my time with would be incredibly uncomfortable if another man was saying shit like that. I feel sad that some men obviously don't even understand that many of their fellow men think they are disrespectful pigs. Apparently they just walk around blissfully unaware of how they are making themselves look like huge assholes, convinced that all men are like them, lol. Pathetic. One thing that might help is of more of the decent men actually called them out rather than just smiling awkwardly and trying to change the subject. I understand in business situations like the one you were in that osn't really possible, but generally - like in the locker room!!! - men saying something to shut the pigs down would help end this kind of abusive, disrespectiful talk about women a lot faster. Silver lining though! This whole thing with Trump really has brought this issue put in the open. It could actually really have an impact on making this kind of thing much less acceptable than it is now for a lot of unenlightened men.
It is tough in business. You sort of chuckle uncomfortably and say... "hey no, Doug..that's enough. We get it". About half the time people get the message. Only half though..
But why does business get a pass? Is it more important that human dignity? Don't get my wrong- I get it to some degree. No one wants to lose their job. But consider being as bold as you can. And when you get older like me, don't cut these pigs any slack. It's your right and duty as an old fart to not let people get away with that kind of crap.
Well, yeah, as mrussel said, certain things need to be considered. Is, say, losing your job or something worth calling out a guy like that, assuming he's not actually threatening someone? Probably not, unless you can afford to lose it. Although if any guy said shit like that in front of me I would call it out without even thinking, lol, job be damned. However, we live in the real world. In a perfect world everyone could stand up for what's righteous, but in this one, sometimes people have to weigh things out a little more. I wouldn't expect someone to lose millions of dollars just so he could school a sexist pig at a dinner table. But yeah, if you have less to lose, don't let anyone get away with that! Again, of more men just spoke up instead of being worried about phasing someone off, progress in this area would be much faster. The MOST important players in the fight to end misogyny are other men who know better, because women and their kickback is totally ineffective against misogynists. On the contrary. It probably fuels theor mosogyny. But if they knew a lot of other men were really against their bullshit and that they won't tolerate it, real change would happen in mens' thinking.
My wife encourages me to try to stay neutral at the bookstore when it comes to politics and I get that but if I saw someone grabbing at a woman or abusing a kid or kicking a dog I would not hesitate to step up and defend- with words of course. I am not one to use physical force.
Now those are all crimes.. I would hope you would. Although for better or worse, I would probably be more inclined to use force.
Talking about being able to do whatever you want to women, just walking up and kissing them and grabbing their pussies?????? There are a lot of men who do not say shit like this. You are saying that all men make crass, belittling comments about sexually assaulting women and talking about them like they are objects for them to control and and use?? You think all men do that? GROSS. Thank God I know not all men are like this. Thank God I know men who aren't. Otherwise I would hate men.
Holy fuck, I've got smoke coming out of my ears over this one.
It's not true. Many men will make comments like "that girl is hot". That would not be unusual. But to move into his comments is not normal. At all.
I have a client, a big client. And he's a total asshole. The first dinner I went to with him, I brought two of directs who are women, early 30's. Pros. Smart. Liberal, etc. Anyway, this guy didn't hit on them, but he spent the dinner talking like Trump. As an example, he talked about how on Mondays he goes to the Van Nuys clinic because that's the day porn stars can get tested for free, and you can guess the rest. He looks to pick them up there. He's married and a total pig. No one in my company is allowed to go to parties thrown by him or his team. Dinners are limited to me or my CEO. That's it. We don't want to our people caught in a compromising situation with him or to subject them to his grotesque sexism. It isn't normal or common.
Thank you, and I know that not all men are like that of course, and the only men I spend my time with would be incredibly uncomfortable if another man was saying shit like that. I feel sad that some men obviously don't even understand that many of their fellow men think they are disrespectful pigs. Apparently they just walk around blissfully unaware of how they are making themselves look like huge assholes, convinced that all men are like them, lol. Pathetic. One thing that might help is of more of the decent men actually called them out rather than just smiling awkwardly and trying to change the subject. I understand in business situations like the one you were in that osn't really possible, but generally - like in the locker room!!! - men saying something to shut the pigs down would help end this kind of abusive, disrespectiful talk about women a lot faster. Silver lining though! This whole thing with Trump really has brought this issue put in the open. It could actually really have an impact on making this kind of thing much less acceptable than it is now for a lot of unenlightened men.
It is tough in business. You sort of chuckle uncomfortably and say... "hey no, Doug..that's enough. We get it". About half the time people get the message. Only half though..
But why does business get a pass? Is it more important that human dignity? Don't get my wrong- I get it to some degree. No one wants to lose their job. But consider being as bold as you can. And when you get older like me, don't cut these pigs any slack. It's your right and duty as an old fart to not let people get away with that kind of crap.
Well, yeah, as mrussel said, certain things need to be considered. Is, say, losing your job or something worth calling out a guy like that, assuming he's not actually threatening someone? Probably not, unless you can afford to lose it. Although if any guy said shit like that in front of me I would call it out without even thinking, lol, job be damned. However, we live in the real world. In a perfect world everyone could stand up for what's righteous, but in this one, sometimes people have to weigh things out a little more. I wouldn't expect someone to lose millions of dollars just so he could school a sexist pig at a dinner table. But yeah, if you have less to lose, don't let anyone get away with that! Again, of more men just spoke up instead of being worried about phasing someone off, progress in this area would be much faster. The MOST important players in the fight to end misogyny are other men who know better, because women and their kickback is totally ineffective against misogynists. On the contrary. It probably fuels theor mosogyny. But if they knew a lot of other men were really against their bullshit and that they won't tolerate it, real change would happen in mens' thinking.
My wife encourages me to try to stay neutral at the bookstore when it comes to politics and I get that but if I saw someone grabbing at a woman or abusing a kid or kicking a dog I would not hesitate to step up and defend- with words of course. I am not one to use physical force.
Totally fair if you're not a fighter, but don't forget to call the cops!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I don't give a flying fuck about Hillary at the moment, and I'm not a Hillary supporter. I am talking about Donald fucking Trump. Those comments he made are the embodiment of the kind of thinking that results in the fact that at least 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted by men. His comments draw out the reason why there have been three separate men who I have never seen before in my life who felt it would be a fine idea to walk up to me and grab my pussy. This kind of talk and this attitude that you guys are defending are the crux if the whole fucking problem. And you just don't see it. You don't get it. And that is on you. You are a part of the problem, whether you know it or not.
well I hope you have never watched a rate R movie, never read or have had your significant other read 50 Shades of Grey, I hope you have never looked at a Playboy or swimsuit issue, watched any porn....the list goes on and on
I'm not defending anyone's actions I just done need a safe zone every time someone opens their mouth...im tired of hypocrisy when it comes to stuff Trump does everyone wants to pounce on because they denounce him as a person but refuse to look at HRC and the 30 years of atrocities this women has caused including costing HUMAN FUCKING LIVES!!!!!!!!!
Bottom line its sad that this is what the presidential race has come down to a crook and criminal and a foul mouthed man child
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
You make my point for me....we have said it, learned from it, and have grown up...this was a private conversation 11 years ago!!!!
what says that Trump hasn't??? Look im not a fan of his but this stuff is getting ridiculous what the media (as well as us individuals) decide to pick and chose what is important and looking over more serious political issues affecting us
im sorry what he said has ZERO affect on me and what this country needs from a politician...HRC has the change to bring the ultimate sleezeball back into the White House and a woman with 30 years of destruction that follows her but I don't hear anyone talking about that
Trump was about 60 fucking years old 11 years ago, and decent men don't say what he did in private or even think it. How about you be the victim of the sexual assault that he laughed about 11 years ago - the victim of multiple separate assaults - and then tell me that the reaction to his comments are ridiculous.
Trump is clearly not a decent man. A giant perv for sure.
Hillary admits to having public and private policy positions.
Hypothetical: Would you rather vote for a perv (one who only talks and doesn't act on it - we can't be sure for Trump) who tells the truth about policy positions or a candidate who is not a perv but who you know publicly lies about policy positions? Keep in my mind the US had a perv in office (Bill Clinton) who is considered a national treasure to the elites and media.
I don't give a flying fuck about Hillary at the moment, and I'm not a Hillary supporter. I am talking about Donald fucking Trump. Those comments he made are the embodiment of the kind of thinking that results in the fact that at least 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted by men. His comments draw out the reason why there have been three separate men who I have never seen before in my life who felt it would be a fine idea to walk up to me and grab my pussy. This kind of talk and this attitude that you guys are defending are the crux if the whole fucking problem. And you just don't see it. You don't get it. And that is on you. You are a part of the problem, whether you know it or not.
well I hope you have never watched a rate R movie, never read or have had your significant other read 50 Shades of Grey, I hope you have never looked at a Playboy or swimsuit issue, watched any porn....the list goes on and on
I'm not defending anyone's actions I just done need a safe zone every time someone opens their mouth...im tired of hypocrisy when it comes to stuff Trump does everyone wants to pounce on because they denounce him as a person but refuse to look at HRC and the 30 years of atrocities this women has caused including costing HUMAN FUCKING LIVES!!!!!!!!!
Bottom line its sad that this is what the presidential race has come down to a crook and criminal and a foul mouthed man child
I would say most politicians in our country are guilty of costing human lives.
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
You make my point for me....we have said it, learned from it, and have grown up...this was a private conversation 11 years ago!!!!
what says that Trump hasn't??? Look im not a fan of his but this stuff is getting ridiculous what the media (as well as us individuals) decide to pick and chose what is important and looking over more serious political issues affecting us
im sorry what he said has ZERO affect on me and what this country needs from a politician...HRC has the change to bring the ultimate sleezeball back into the White House and a woman with 30 years of destruction that follows her but I don't hear anyone talking about that
Trump was about 60 fucking years old 11 years ago, and decent men don't say what he did in private or even think it. How about you be the victim of the sexual assault that he laughed about 11 years ago - the victim of multiple separate assaults - and then tell me that the reaction to his comments are ridiculous.
Trump is clearly not a decent man. A giant perv for sure.
Hillary admits to having public and private policy positions.
Hypothetical: Would you rather vote for a perv (one who only talks and doesn't act on it - we can't be sure for Trump) who tells the truth about policy positions or a candidate who is not a perv but who you know publicly lies about policy positions? Keep in my mind the US had a perv in office (Bill Clinton) who is considered a national treasure to the elites and media.
exactly...I just cant wrap my head around how more people have a problem with him being a pervert than they do with everything that surrounds the Clinton machine...I used to work in media and im so glad everyday that I got the hell out because I would be embarrassed to work in that industry now
and the number one response to bringing up Bill Clinton is "He isn't running for office"...ummmm knock knock...his wife is and he will be in the oval office
a guy that literally groped and had his way with multiple women while being president and his wife who got a rapist off and blamed a 12 year old girl for her own rape....I mean the past counts right if we are going to use a private Trump comment from 11 years ago?
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
we are talking about comments from 11 years ago during a private conversation. We ve all talked out of our ass at one time when amongst friends. And I agree, the vast majority of us have grown up. But when my friends and I do get together every few years you damn well know stories are brought up. I think that's just being a guy.
So you get together with your old buddies and talk about women as objects and about how you can just roll up on them and grope their pussies and how you can actually do whatever you want to them because you have the power? That's being a guy? Gimme a break dude. Why are you defending this shit?
Jesus Christ you really took this to the next level. Guys trade stories, share memories; none of my friends including myself have ever sexually assaulted anyone or groped someone without permission.
I ve read his comments on three different news sites and I m still not seeing sexual assault anywhere. Obviously I don't defend sexual assault or treating women like objects.
Talking about being able to do whatever you want to women, just walking up and kissing them and grabbing their pussies?????? There are a lot of men who do not say shit like this. You are saying that all men make crass, belittling comments about sexually assaulting women and talking about them like they are objects for them to control and and use?? You think all men do that? GROSS. Thank God I know not all men are like this. Thank God I know men who aren't. Otherwise I would hate men.
Holy fuck, I've got smoke coming out of my ears over this one.
It's not true. Many men will make comments like "that girl is hot". That would not be unusual. But to move into his comments is not normal. At all.
I have a client, a big client. And he's a total asshole. The first dinner I went to with him, I brought two of directs who are women, early 30's. Pros. Smart. Liberal, etc. Anyway, this guy didn't hit on them, but he spent the dinner talking like Trump. As an example, he talked about how on Mondays he goes to the Van Nuys clinic because that's the day porn stars can get tested for free, and you can guess the rest. He looks to pick them up there. He's married and a total pig. No one in my company is allowed to go to parties thrown by him or his team. Dinners are limited to me or my CEO. That's it. We don't want to our people caught in a compromising situation with him or to subject them to his grotesque sexism. It isn't normal or common.
Thank you, and I know that not all men are like that of course, and the only men I spend my time with would be incredibly uncomfortable if another man was saying shit like that. I feel sad that some men obviously don't even understand that many of their fellow men think they are disrespectful pigs. Apparently they just walk around blissfully unaware of how they are making themselves look like huge assholes, convinced that all men are like them, lol. Pathetic. One thing that might help is of more of the decent men actually called them out rather than just smiling awkwardly and trying to change the subject. I understand in business situations like the one you were in that osn't really possible, but generally - like in the locker room!!! - men saying something to shut the pigs down would help end this kind of abusive, disrespectiful talk about women a lot faster. Silver lining though! This whole thing with Trump really has brought this issue put in the open. It could actually really have an impact on making this kind of thing much less acceptable than it is now for a lot of unenlightened men.
It is tough in business. You sort of chuckle uncomfortably and say... "hey no, Doug..that's enough. We get it". About half the time people get the message. Only half though..
But why does business get a pass? Is it more important that human dignity? Don't get my wrong- I get it to some degree. No one wants to lose their job. But consider being as bold as you can. And when you get older like me, don't cut these pigs any slack. It's your right and duty as an old fart to not let people get away with that kind of crap.
Well, yeah, as mrussel said, certain things need to be considered. Is, say, losing your job or something worth calling out a guy like that, assuming he's not actually threatening someone? Probably not, unless you can afford to lose it. Although if any guy said shit like that in front of me I would call it out without even thinking, lol, job be damned. However, we live in the real world. In a perfect world everyone could stand up for what's righteous, but in this one, sometimes people have to weigh things out a little more. I wouldn't expect someone to lose millions of dollars just so he could school a sexist pig at a dinner table. But yeah, if you have less to lose, don't let anyone get away with that! Again, of more men just spoke up instead of being worried about phasing someone off, progress in this area would be much faster. The MOST important players in the fight to end misogyny are other men who know better, because women and their kickback is totally ineffective against misogynists. On the contrary. It probably fuels theor mosogyny. But if they knew a lot of other men were really against their bullshit and that they won't tolerate it, real change would happen in mens' thinking.
My wife encourages me to try to stay neutral at the bookstore when it comes to politics and I get that but if I saw someone grabbing at a woman or abusing a kid or kicking a dog I would not hesitate to step up and defend- with words of course. I am not one to use physical force.
Totally fair if you're not a fighter, but don't forget to call the cops!
To my recollection, I've only had to deal with this sort of thing twice. Once was when I was working in human services and I saw a mother come close to what seemed to me to be child abuse- way too much physical force and lots of screaming at the kid. I told her because of my line of work, I was mandated to report child abuse to the authorities (technically this was not true but morally, very true). She was a bit stunned and I hope my approach gave her something to think about and remember.
The other time was when a burly dude was arguing with the woman he was with who was rather slight in build and suddenly he put up his fists and yelled, "Let's do this now." I was walking and changed my line of direction straight toward them. Now believe me, I am no imposing figure of a man. You are not going to see me come and think, "Shit, this guy could beat the crap out of me". But I managed to create a serious enough aura about my presence such as the guy put his fists down and backed off. I redirected my walk but kept an "I've got-my-eye-on-you-body language until I was fairly certain things had cooled out. Then I went on my way with knees a-shakin'.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
we are talking about comments from 11 years ago during a private conversation. We ve all talked out of our ass at one time when amongst friends. And I agree, the vast majority of us have grown up. But when my friends and I do get together every few years you damn well know stories are brought up. I think that's just being a guy.
So you get together with your old buddies and talk about women as objects and about how you can just roll up on them and grope their pussies and how you can actually do whatever you want to them because you have the power? That's being a guy? Gimme a break dude. Why are you defending this shit?
Jesus Christ you really took this to the next level. Guys trade stories, share memories; none of my friends including myself have ever sexually assaulted anyone or groped someone without permission.
I ve read his comments on three different news sites and I m still not seeing sexual assault anywhere. Obviously I don't defend sexual assault or treating women like objects.
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
we are talking about comments from 11 years ago during a private conversation. We ve all talked out of our ass at one time when amongst friends. And I agree, the vast majority of us have grown up. But when my friends and I do get together every few years you damn well know stories are brought up. I think that's just being a guy.
So you get together with your old buddies and talk about women as objects and about how you can just roll up on them and grope their pussies and how you can actually do whatever you want to them because you have the power? That's being a guy? Gimme a break dude. Why are you defending this shit?
Jesus Christ you really took this to the next level. Guys trade stories, share memories; none of my friends including myself have ever sexually assaulted anyone or groped someone without permission.
I ve read his comments on three different news sites and I m still not seeing sexual assault anywhere. Obviously I don't defend sexual assault or treating women like objects.
I don't give a flying fuck about Hillary at the moment, and I'm not a Hillary supporter. I am talking about Donald fucking Trump. Those comments he made are the embodiment of the kind of thinking that results in the fact that at least 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted by men. His comments draw out the reason why there have been three separate men who I have never seen before in my life who felt it would be a fine idea to walk up to me and grab my pussy. This kind of talk and this attitude that you guys are defending are the crux if the whole fucking problem. And you just don't see it. You don't get it. And that is on you. You are a part of the problem, whether you know it or not.
well I hope you have never watched a rate R movie, never read or have had your significant other read 50 Shades of Grey, I hope you have never looked at a Playboy or swimsuit issue, watched any porn....the list goes on and on
I'm not defending anyone's actions I just done need a safe zone every time someone opens their mouth...im tired of hypocrisy when it comes to stuff Trump does everyone wants to pounce on because they denounce him as a person but refuse to look at HRC and the 30 years of atrocities this women has caused including costing HUMAN FUCKING LIVES!!!!!!!!!
Bottom line its sad that this is what the presidential race has come down to a crook and criminal and a foul mouthed man child
Well no, I would never in a million years read 50 shades of grey, but not because it's erotica. Because it's an offense to good writing, lol. As for HRC... I am simply not talking about her at the moment, and I find it embarrassing that people think bring her up in this context is some kind of good argument against criticism of what Trump said abs is like as a man in general and as a misogynist, then and now. His point about it being said a long time ago might hold a little water if he hadn't said all the many comments in recent days that prove he is still just like the guy who said those things 11 years ago. Kay, if you think a single thing I have said relates to any of the things you just listed, like porn, etc, you REALLY have absolutely no clue what I am talking about. It has gone completely over your head.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I don't give a flying fuck about Hillary at the moment, and I'm not a Hillary supporter. I am talking about Donald fucking Trump. Those comments he made are the embodiment of the kind of thinking that results in the fact that at least 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted by men. His comments draw out the reason why there have been three separate men who I have never seen before in my life who felt it would be a fine idea to walk up to me and grab my pussy. This kind of talk and this attitude that you guys are defending are the crux if the whole fucking problem. And you just don't see it. You don't get it. And that is on you. You are a part of the problem, whether you know it or not.
well I hope you have never watched a rate R movie, never read or have had your significant other read 50 Shades of Grey, I hope you have never looked at a Playboy or swimsuit issue, watched any porn....the list goes on and on
I'm not defending anyone's actions I just done need a safe zone every time someone opens their mouth...im tired of hypocrisy when it comes to stuff Trump does everyone wants to pounce on because they denounce him as a person but refuse to look at HRC and the 30 years of atrocities this women has caused including costing HUMAN FUCKING LIVES!!!!!!!!!
Bottom line its sad that this is what the presidential race has come down to a crook and criminal and a foul mouthed man child
Can't argue about you wanting people to look seriously at HRC but I'm not sure how relevant that is here. We're talking about a situation with Trump that is not directly HRC connected.
As for 50 Shades of Grey I hope no one is wasting their time reading it because it is simply awful writing. I read a few excerpts because I had heard it was poorly written. Absolute trash writing. If you want to read that sort of thing, read Henry Miller or Anais Nin- people who could really write. It's not sex that's dirty, it's the intent, the attitude and the lack of respect for others.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
haha how did I know I would come back to this forum regarding what Trump said and there would be people here acting wholier than though and claiming they have never spoke "locker room talk"...im going to call bullshit on every single one of you that you have NEVER said anything remotely like this...flat out you are a LIAR!
yes you are the same people who continually defend Bill Clinton and his sexscipades and HRC and her defending a rapist and then calling that girl a liar and getting the guy one of the lightest sentences a rapist should get...hypocrites...most of you and im tired of it
Are we running for President of the US? Arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't made sexist comments before to my buddies. I'd also be lying if I said I was an ideal husband when I was married. Having said those things...I was a very young "man" at the time. Thankfully I've grown up very fucking quickly.
we are talking about comments from 11 years ago during a private conversation. We ve all talked out of our ass at one time when amongst friends. And I agree, the vast majority of us have grown up. But when my friends and I do get together every few years you damn well know stories are brought up. I think that's just being a guy.
So you get together with your old buddies and talk about women as objects and about how you can just roll up on them and grope their pussies and how you can actually do whatever you want to them because you have the power? That's being a guy? Gimme a break dude. Why are you defending this shit?
Jesus Christ you really took this to the next level. Guys trade stories, share memories; none of my friends including myself have ever sexually assaulted anyone or groped someone without permission.
I ve read his comments on three different news sites and I m still not seeing sexual assault anywhere. Obviously I don't defend sexual assault or treating women like objects.
I didn't say you have assaulted anyone. I am talking about how this kind of thinking by men hurts encourages those who do. If you defend Trump's comments and call them normal, yes, sorry, you do defend treating women like objects, and at least defend the attitude that can lead to sexual assault, and which is the cause of so many women being sexually assaulted. You might want to actually stop and truly think about what I am saying here if you want to support ending the crisis of sexual assault against women. Attitudes matter. They have an effect on the world, one person at a time.
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what says that Trump hasn't??? Look im not a fan of his but this stuff is getting ridiculous what the media (as well as us individuals) decide to pick and chose what is important and looking over more serious political issues affecting us
man if smartphones and other recording devices were around as much as they were back when I was acting a fool I probably would never have gotten a job anywhere
im sorry what he said has ZERO affect on me and what this country needs from a politician...HRC has the change to bring the ultimate sleezeball back into the White House and a woman with 30 years of destruction that follows her
How about you be the victim of the sexual assault that he laughed about 11 years ago - the victim of multiple separate assaults - and then tell me that the reaction to his comments are ridiculous.
This is the country I live in now...I want no part of it
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Hampton 2016
"If you're making excuses for sexual assault b/c you don't want to lose an election, you ARE Hillary Clinton."
Trump should not get a pass. We can work on Bill and Hillary next.
I'm not defending anyone's actions I just done need a safe zone every time someone opens their mouth...im tired of hypocrisy when it comes to stuff Trump does everyone wants to pounce on because they denounce him as a person but refuse to look at HRC and the 30 years of atrocities this women has caused including costing HUMAN FUCKING LIVES!!!!!!!!!
Bottom line its sad that this is what the presidential race has come down to a crook and criminal and a foul mouthed man child
Hillary admits to having public and private policy positions.
Hypothetical: Would you rather vote for a perv (one who only talks and doesn't act on it - we can't be sure for Trump) who tells the truth about policy positions or a candidate who is not a perv but who you know publicly lies about policy positions? Keep in my mind the US had a perv in office (Bill Clinton) who is considered a national treasure to the elites and media.
and the number one response to bringing up Bill Clinton is "He isn't running for office"...ummmm knock knock...his wife is and he will be in the oval office
a guy that literally groped and had his way with multiple women while being president and his wife who got a rapist off and blamed a 12 year old girl for her own rape....I mean the past counts right if we are going to use a private Trump comment from 11 years ago?
Guys trade stories, share memories; none of my friends including myself have ever sexually assaulted anyone or groped someone without permission.
I ve read his comments on three different news sites and I m still not seeing sexual assault anywhere. Obviously I don't defend sexual assault or treating women like objects.
The other time was when a burly dude was arguing with the woman he was with who was rather slight in build and suddenly he put up his fists and yelled, "Let's do this now." I was walking and changed my line of direction straight toward them. Now believe me, I am no imposing figure of a man. You are not going to see me come and think, "Shit, this guy could beat the crap out of me". But I managed to create a serious enough aura about my presence such as the guy put his fists down and backed off. I redirected my walk but kept an "I've got-my-eye-on-you-body language until I was fairly certain things had cooled out. Then I went on my way with knees a-shakin'.
On another note- Spineless Cruz must be cursing his life that he didn't hold out for a few more weeks.
Kay, if you think a single thing I have said relates to any of the things you just listed, like porn, etc, you REALLY have absolutely no clue what I am talking about. It has gone completely over your head.
As for 50 Shades of Grey I hope no one is wasting their time reading it because it is simply awful writing. I read a few excerpts because I had heard it was poorly written. Absolute trash writing. If you want to read that sort of thing, read Henry Miller or Anais Nin- people who could really write. It's not sex that's dirty, it's the intent, the attitude and the lack of respect for others.
If you defend Trump's comments and call them normal, yes, sorry, you do defend treating women like objects, and at least defend the attitude that can lead to sexual assault, and which is the cause of so many women being sexually assaulted. You might want to actually stop and truly think about what I am saying here if you want to support ending the crisis of sexual assault against women. Attitudes matter. They have an effect on the world, one person at a time.
This was just whipped up by Time, so not stellar, but it at least touches on what I am talking about. http://time.com/4523972/donald-trumps-comment-root-sexual-violence/?xid=time_socialflow_facebook