I've only skimmed the rest of the thread (and we're all nuts) but without any other input from anyone official, I'd say we use the past tour setlists listed on this website.
Which puts Mexico City '15 at 965. Wrigley Night 2 in August '16 would be 988.
If PJ/10c lists the show as a setlist, it counts. If not, it doesn't. I mean, if they were going to do something (and that's equally possible and not possible) they'd use their count and ignore we crazies and our "This, but not that"s!
You're right about being Nuts, and I agree with your numbers I've been thinking about this for a few days. I just counted every show on this official site. Including the one night on the Ride show just added, Wrigley 2 will be show 989 based on Pearljam.coms own info. Where is the OP getting their numbers saying Quebec will be 1000? This is the official site, where do the other 20 shows come from? Here's the list: 1990 2 1991 105 1992 129 1993 59 1994 29 1995 43 1996 35 1997 5 1998 66 1999 2 2000 75 2001 3 2002 5 2003 77 2004 13 2005 37 2006 80 2007 15 2008 15 2009 33 2010 26 2011 22 2012 17 2013 30 2014 32 2015 10. This is now, as of today we're at show 965. 2016 24 (Pending)
Do the math. Wrigley 2 would be show 989. So again, how does the OP say Quebec 2016 will be show 1,000? I have Quebec at 980 and show 1000 TBD. I'm not saying OP is wrong but my numbers are direct from the official Pearl Jam site that we're all using.
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Chicago 6/29/98, Alpine Valley(EV) 6/13/99, Alpine Valley 10/08/00, Chicago 10/09/00, Phoenix 10/20/00, Orlando 4/12/03, Tampa 4/13/03, San Diego 6/05/03, Vegas 6/06/03, Phoenix 6/07/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Orlando 10/08/04, D.C. 10/11/04, Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, LA 7/12/08, Chicago 8/23/09, Chicago 8/24/09, LA 10/07/09, San Diego 10/09/09 (Front Row Center, Finally), Phoenix(EV) 11/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Phoenix 11/19/13, Denver 10/22/14, Wrigley 8/20/16, Wrigley 8/22/16
Instead of listing the number of shows for each year you could have read the thread. All you questions already have been answered. The count on the site is definately wrong, we all agree on that.
2006:Arnhem,Bern,Berlin
2007:München,Düsseldorf,Nijmegen
2008:NY1,NY2,Mansfield1,Mansfield2
2009:London,Rotterdam,Berlin,Manchester,London
2010:NY1,NY2,Dublin,Belfast,Berlin
2011:PJ20,Montreal,TorontoI+II,Hamilton
2012:Amsterdam I+II, Prague, Berlin I+II, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen
2013: Phoenix, San Diego, LA I+II, Oakland
2014: Amsterdam I+II, Vienna, Berlin
2016: Philly I+II, MSG I+II
Instead of listing the number of shows for each year you could have read the thread. All you questions already have been answered. The count on the site is definately wrong, we all agree on that.
Go back to the first post. I read the whole thread. Few people are agreeing with each other and a few aren't. You obviously haven't read the edits the OP keeps putting in (currently they conclude that Quebec is show 1,000). I know you agree with me that a song on Letterman is not a show. Heres an example of a discrepancy: In 2002 'other' sites include 2 shows at the Ed Sullivan Theatre on 2 "separate" nights for Letterman but both songs were recorded the same day within an hour of each other, so why listed as 2 separate shows on different dates? If that's the case then the MTV Unplugged show didn't happen on 3/16/92, it happened whenever MTV premiered it, makes no sense. Oh and speaking of PJ only shows what about Chicago in 02, Stone wasn't present so should that show be taken off every list? My questions obviously weren't answered. I'm going with the official list, 965 shows and counting.
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Chicago 6/29/98, Alpine Valley(EV) 6/13/99, Alpine Valley 10/08/00, Chicago 10/09/00, Phoenix 10/20/00, Orlando 4/12/03, Tampa 4/13/03, San Diego 6/05/03, Vegas 6/06/03, Phoenix 6/07/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Orlando 10/08/04, D.C. 10/11/04, Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, LA 7/12/08, Chicago 8/23/09, Chicago 8/24/09, LA 10/07/09, San Diego 10/09/09 (Front Row Center, Finally), Phoenix(EV) 11/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Phoenix 11/19/13, Denver 10/22/14, Wrigley 8/20/16, Wrigley 8/22/16
Instead of listing the number of shows for each year you could have read the thread. All you questions already have been answered. The count on the site is definately wrong, we all agree on that.
Go back to the first post. I read the whole thread. Few people are agreeing with each other and a few aren't. You obviously haven't read the edits the OP keeps putting in (currently they conclude that Quebec is show 1,000). I know you agree with me that a song on Letterman is not a show. Heres an example of a discrepancy: In 2002 'other' sites include 2 shows at the Ed Sullivan Theatre on 2 "separate" nights for Letterman but both songs were recorded the same day within an hour of each other, so why listed as 2 separate shows on different dates? If that's the case then the MTV Unplugged show didn't happen on 3/16/92, it happened whenever MTV premiered it, makes no sense. Oh and speaking of PJ only shows what about Chicago in 02, Stone wasn't present so should that show be taken off every list? My questions obviously weren't answered. I'm going with the official list, 965 shows and counting.
This input is valid...the only thing I do know is that the "official" list is missing shows. A couple of points...1) I cross referenced the lists from five sites (PJ official, PJ Stat Tracker, Livefootsteps, two feet thick, setlists.fm) and removed all duplicate shows. 2) The thread was changed to Total Number of Performances...this was done because there is a big disagreement on what constitutes a "show". For example some people think MTV unplugged shouldn't count while others, myself included, think it is absolutely a show. Since the definition of a "show" can not possibly be settled I'm going with "performances" of which there have been 985. 3) Chicago minus Stone...I think it has to count based on band intent.
People can disagree with this if they like but rest assured come April I will be starting a countdown to performance number 1000 in Quebec City.
I'm sorry but counting TV apperances as "Pearl Jam shows" is ridiculous. Playing one or two songs in a tv studio is not a show imo.
I saw Amos Lee on David Letterman. Does that mean I can't count that "show" as one of the times I saw him live? My Amos Lee stat tracker just went from 4 to 3. It's very confusing.
Springfield 4/6/94, Boston 4/6/94, Hartford 10/2/96, New York 9/11/98, Hartford 9/13/98, Mansfield 8/30/00, Boston 9/28/04, Reading 10/1/04, Quebec City 9/20/05, Boston 5/24/06, Hartford 5/13/06, New York 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08 Philadelphia 10/31/09, Hartford 10/15/10, Boston 10/17/10, East Troy 9/3/11, East Troy 9/4/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Worcester 10/15/13, Hartford 10/25/13, Charlottesville 10/29/13, St. Paul 10/19/14, New York 9/26/15, Quebec City 5/5/16, Boston 8/5/16, Boston 9/2/18, Boston 9/4/18, Quebec City 9/1/22, Camden 9/14/22, Oklahoma City 9/20/22
I'm sorry but counting TV apperances as "Pearl Jam shows" is ridiculous. Playing one or two songs in a tv studio is not a show imo.
I saw Amos Lee on David Letterman. Does that mean I can't count that "show" as one of the times I saw him live? My Amos Lee stat tracker just went from 4 to 3. It's very confusing.
I think you should count it. Someone once asked me "Hey BS? You ever see Nelly and the St Lunatics live?". To which I responded..."Why yes...I saw them play Hot in Herre live on Letterman".
Springfield 4/6/94, Boston 4/6/94, Hartford 10/2/96, New York 9/11/98, Hartford 9/13/98, Mansfield 8/30/00, Boston 9/28/04, Reading 10/1/04, Quebec City 9/20/05, Boston 5/24/06, Hartford 5/13/06, New York 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08 Philadelphia 10/31/09, Hartford 10/15/10, Boston 10/17/10, East Troy 9/3/11, East Troy 9/4/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Worcester 10/15/13, Hartford 10/25/13, Charlottesville 10/29/13, St. Paul 10/19/14, New York 9/26/15, Quebec City 5/5/16, Boston 8/5/16, Boston 9/2/18, Boston 9/4/18, Quebec City 9/1/22, Camden 9/14/22, Oklahoma City 9/20/22
No one said it's not a performance. But this thread was labeled "Pearl Jams 1000th show" at first and yes, a single song "performed" in a tv studio is not a "Pearl Jam show" in my book.
2006:Arnhem,Bern,Berlin
2007:München,Düsseldorf,Nijmegen
2008:NY1,NY2,Mansfield1,Mansfield2
2009:London,Rotterdam,Berlin,Manchester,London
2010:NY1,NY2,Dublin,Belfast,Berlin
2011:PJ20,Montreal,TorontoI+II,Hamilton
2012:Amsterdam I+II, Prague, Berlin I+II, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen
2013: Phoenix, San Diego, LA I+II, Oakland
2014: Amsterdam I+II, Vienna, Berlin
2016: Philly I+II, MSG I+II
No one said it's not a performance. But this thread was labeled "Pearl Jams 1000th show" at first and yes, a single song "performed" in a tv studio is not a "Pearl Jam show" in my book.
Fair enough but it makes me wonder....
Every single one of us has our own personal count of how many times we have seen Pearl Jam. Personally I have not been fortunate enough to see PJ at letterman/snl etc. but if I had I am pretty sure I would include it in the number of times I have seen the band play. So...my question to those who have been to one of those tapings...Do you include that in your personal hard count? My guess is that many of you do.
Nevermind the methodology -Sounds like a project for someone especially early shows - PJ stat tracker and Pearljam.com don't include 12-19-90. However, it is on TFT site and in the PJ20 book as a show that happened. I'm sure there a few others like this.
Setlist..fm also has the show but also includes some EV solo appearance(s) as PJ shows.
I'm sorry but counting TV apperances as "Pearl Jam shows" is ridiculous. Playing one or two songs in a tv studio is not a show imo.
I saw Amos Lee on David Letterman. Does that mean I can't count that "show" as one of the times I saw him live? My Amos Lee stat tracker just went from 4 to 3. It's very confusing.
I think you should count it. Someone once asked me "Hey BS? You ever see Nelly and the St Lunatics live?". To which I responded..."Why yes...I saw them play Hot in Herre live on Letterman".
you can't use Pearl Jam.com for an official count, they are missing shows (Beacon, some others). I think there was a good thread from around the fans are alright release, because that count was way off.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music." KV Jr.
I'm sorry but counting TV apperances as "Pearl Jam shows" is ridiculous. Playing one or two songs in a tv studio is not a show imo.
I saw Amos Lee on David Letterman. Does that mean I can't count that "show" as one of the times I saw him live? My Amos Lee stat tracker just went from 4 to 3. It's very confusing.
I think you should count it. Someone once asked me "Hey BS? You ever see Nelly and the St Lunatics live?". To which I responded..."Why yes...I saw them play Hot in Herre live on Letterman".
Honestly I think everyone is incorrect here. I use PJdb.net exclusively for all my Pearl Jam show stat tracking as they seem to be the only site that has all of the shows/performances by the band, even the "off the radar" shows like 2012's Treasure Island show for Oracle World!
So if I'm using their numbers (minus the 137 EV solo shows they have listed) the band is actually sitting on their 999th show/performance at this very moment which means Ft. Lauderdale, FL, not Quebec City will be their 1,000th! So hurry up folks as there are still tickets left for what surely will be the show to be at on this tour, TEN will be played in its entirety!
Personally, I'm happy with going to their 1,002 show.
Honestly I think everyone is incorrect here. I use PJdb.net exclusively for all my Pearl Jam show stat tracking as they seem to be the only site that has all of the shows/performances by the band, even the "off the radar" shows like 2012's Treasure Island show for Oracle World!
So if I'm using their numbers (minus the 137 EV solo shows they have listed) the band is actually sitting on their 999th show/performance at this very moment which means Ft. Lauderdale, FL, not Quebec City will be their 1,000th! So hurry up folks as there are still tickets left for what surely will be the show to be at on this tour, TEN will be played in its entirety!
Personally, I'm happy with going to their 1,002 show.
RM
I like your thinking. You just moved the 1000th show to one of the ones I am attending. I'm calling this the truth!!
1996 - Ft Lauderdale
1998 - West Palm Beach 1
2000 - West Palm Beach 1&2
2003 - WPB,Tampa,Atlanta,Camden 1&2,MSG 1&2, Boston 3,Hershey Park
2004 - Asheville, Kissimmee
2008 - West Palm Beach,Tampa,Columbia,Virginia Beach, Mansfield 1&2
2010 - Hartford,Boston,Newark, MSG 1&2
2011 - PJ20 1&2, Costa Rica 2013 - Wrigley,Brooklyn 1&2,Seattle 2014 - Denver,Mountain View 1&2 2015 - Bogata, Mexico City 2016 - Ft Lauderdale,Miami,Tampa,NYC 1&2,Telluride,Fenway 1&2,Wrigley 1&2
Honestly I think everyone is incorrect here. I use PJdb.net exclusively for all my Pearl Jam show stat tracking as they seem to be the only site that has all of the shows/performances by the band, even the "off the radar" shows like 2012's Treasure Island show for Oracle World!
So if I'm using their numbers (minus the 137 EV solo shows they have listed) the band is actually sitting on their 999th show/performance at this very moment which means Ft. Lauderdale, FL, not Quebec City will be their 1,000th! So hurry up folks as there are still tickets left for what surely will be the show to be at on this tour, TEN will be played in its entirety!
Personally, I'm happy with going to their 1,002 show.
RM
12-19-90 - they don't have it. How do you see 137 EV shows that include old shows?
Honestly I think everyone is incorrect here. I use PJdb.net exclusively for all my Pearl Jam show stat tracking as they seem to be the only site that has all of the shows/performances by the band, even the "off the radar" shows like 2012's Treasure Island show for Oracle World!
So if I'm using their numbers (minus the 137 EV solo shows they have listed) the band is actually sitting on their 999th show/performance at this very moment which means Ft. Lauderdale, FL, not Quebec City will be their 1,000th! So hurry up folks as there are still tickets left for what surely will be the show to be at on this tour, TEN will be played in its entirety!
Personally, I'm happy with going to their 1,002 show.
RM
The mistake is relying on any site "exclusively" as I have found errors on all of them. Some double counts, some overcounts, some missed shows. You need to cross-reference all of them for the most complete picture.
***Edit - After looking at PJdb.net there seem to be a few problems 1) It lists two numbers for total number of shows. On main page it says 1136 BUT when you click on "shows" link it says 1114 2) It lumps in all the EV shows (137 according to Red Mosquito) which makes searching site very difficult (not impossible). 3) If you use the 1136 number minus 137 EV shows you get 999 BUT if you use 1114 number - 137 you get 977 (which is much closer to my number of 985 performances)
My bet is if I take the time to go through this one and cross reference it with PJ/PJStatTracker/Livefootseps/TwoFeetThick it will get us right back to the 985 total performances.
Nothing here changes my mind that Quebec City is performance 1000
Okay so I did some additional research and noticed the 1,136 show count includes the 137 EV solo shows + 22 dates on the upcoming tour (they don't list the 05/11 Toronto show or the Ride festival for some reason). So that puts the count at 977 shows and if you add the 24 dates to that count Wrigley Field #1 would end up being their 1,000th show. This seems more plausible to me than Quebec City (no offense to Canadians).
For anyone that's interested in researching this themselves just go to PJdb.net and click on "Find setlist" and go to the bottom of that page and click on "search shows" without applying any filters and all the shows will come up. The solo shows will appear next to the show date.
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“I think you won, but I enjoyed the fight” - EV
1990 2
1991 105
1992 129
1993 59
1994 29
1995 43
1996 35
1997 5
1998 66
1999 2
2000 75
2001 3
2002 5
2003 77
2004 13
2005 37
2006 80
2007 15
2008 15
2009 33
2010 26
2011 22
2012 17
2013 30
2014 32
2015 10.
This is now, as of today we're at show 965.
2016 24 (Pending)
Do the math. Wrigley 2 would be show 989. So again, how does the OP say Quebec 2016 will be show 1,000? I have Quebec at 980 and show 1000 TBD. I'm not saying OP is wrong but my numbers are direct from the official Pearl Jam site that we're all using.
2007:München,Düsseldorf,Nijmegen
2008:NY1,NY2,Mansfield1,Mansfield2
2009:London,Rotterdam,Berlin,Manchester,London
2010:NY1,NY2,Dublin,Belfast,Berlin
2011:PJ20,Montreal,TorontoI+II,Hamilton
2012:Amsterdam I+II, Prague, Berlin I+II, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen
2013: Phoenix, San Diego, LA I+II, Oakland
2014: Amsterdam I+II, Vienna, Berlin
2016: Philly I+II, MSG I+II
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
People can disagree with this if they like but rest assured come April I will be starting a countdown to performance number 1000 in Quebec City.
Boston 10/17/10, East Troy 9/3/11, East Troy 9/4/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Worcester 10/15/13, Hartford 10/25/13, Charlottesville 10/29/13,
St. Paul 10/19/14, New York 9/26/15, Quebec City 5/5/16, Boston 8/5/16, Boston 9/2/18, Boston 9/4/18, Quebec City 9/1/22, Camden 9/14/22, Oklahoma City 9/20/22
That's a show!
please just stop lol
Boston 10/17/10, East Troy 9/3/11, East Troy 9/4/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Worcester 10/15/13, Hartford 10/25/13, Charlottesville 10/29/13,
St. Paul 10/19/14, New York 9/26/15, Quebec City 5/5/16, Boston 8/5/16, Boston 9/2/18, Boston 9/4/18, Quebec City 9/1/22, Camden 9/14/22, Oklahoma City 9/20/22
2007:München,Düsseldorf,Nijmegen
2008:NY1,NY2,Mansfield1,Mansfield2
2009:London,Rotterdam,Berlin,Manchester,London
2010:NY1,NY2,Dublin,Belfast,Berlin
2011:PJ20,Montreal,TorontoI+II,Hamilton
2012:Amsterdam I+II, Prague, Berlin I+II, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen
2013: Phoenix, San Diego, LA I+II, Oakland
2014: Amsterdam I+II, Vienna, Berlin
2016: Philly I+II, MSG I+II
Every single one of us has our own personal count of how many times we have seen Pearl Jam. Personally I have not been fortunate enough to see PJ at letterman/snl etc. but if I had I am pretty sure I would include it in the number of times I have seen the band play. So...my question to those who have been to one of those tapings...Do you include that in your personal hard count? My guess is that many of you do.
Setlist..fm also has the show but also includes some EV solo appearance(s) as PJ shows.
SHOW COUNT: (149) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=89, US=109, CAN=15, Europe=19 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
Upcoming: Sacramento, Vegas x2, Manchester, London, Chicago x2, NYC x2, Fenway x2, Ohana x2 Aucklandx2, Gold Coast, Melbournex2
It looks very strange to see drum sets be used with rap.
So if I'm using their numbers (minus the 137 EV solo shows they have listed) the band is actually sitting on their 999th show/performance at this very moment which means Ft. Lauderdale, FL, not Quebec City will be their 1,000th! So hurry up folks as there are still tickets left for what surely will be the show to be at on this tour, TEN will be played in its entirety!
Personally, I'm happy with going to their 1,002 show.
RM
1998 - West Palm Beach 1
2000 - West Palm Beach 1&2
2003 - WPB,Tampa,Atlanta,Camden 1&2,MSG 1&2, Boston 3,Hershey Park
2004 - Asheville, Kissimmee
2008 - West Palm Beach,Tampa,Columbia,Virginia Beach, Mansfield 1&2
2010 - Hartford,Boston,Newark, MSG 1&2
2011 - PJ20 1&2, Costa Rica
2013 - Wrigley,Brooklyn 1&2,Seattle
2014 - Denver,Mountain View 1&2
2015 - Bogata, Mexico City
2016 - Ft Lauderdale,Miami,Tampa,NYC 1&2,Telluride,Fenway 1&2,Wrigley 1&2
SHOW COUNT: (149) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=89, US=109, CAN=15, Europe=19 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
Upcoming: Sacramento, Vegas x2, Manchester, London, Chicago x2, NYC x2, Fenway x2, Ohana x2 Aucklandx2, Gold Coast, Melbournex2
***Edit - After looking at PJdb.net there seem to be a few problems
1) It lists two numbers for total number of shows. On main page it says 1136 BUT when you click on "shows" link it says 1114
2) It lumps in all the EV shows (137 according to Red Mosquito) which makes searching site very difficult (not impossible).
3) If you use the 1136 number minus 137 EV shows you get 999 BUT if you use 1114 number - 137 you get 977 (which is much closer to my number of 985 performances)
My bet is if I take the time to go through this one and cross reference it with PJ/PJStatTracker/Livefootseps/TwoFeetThick it will get us right back to the 985 total performances.
Nothing here changes my mind that Quebec City is performance 1000
For anyone that's interested in researching this themselves just go to PJdb.net and click on "Find setlist" and go to the bottom of that page and click on "search shows" without applying any filters and all the shows will come up. The solo shows will appear next to the show date.
RM
Carry on!....:)
Columbus-2003
Cincinnati-2006
Columbus-2010
Wrigley-2013
Cincinnati-2014
Lexington-2016
Wrigley 1 & 2-2018