What about when Eddie used to come out REAL early and play a song or two for the few lucky people who showed up early? That's a seperate performance from that night's show.
Also, Wrigley '13-before the storm and after the storm...two separate days (before/after midnight), 2 seperate performances, right?
Please update your spreadsheets.
05-06-95 (EV with Mike Watt, Foo Fighters) Chicago 07-09-95 Milwaukee 10-07-96 Ft. Lauderdale 06-29-98 Chicago 09-22-98 West Palm Beach 07-19-13 Wrigley Field 10-14-14 Memphis 04-26-16 Lexington 08-20-16 (Wrigley I) 08-22-16 (Wrigley II) 08-18-18 (Wrigley I) 08-20-18 (Wrigley II)
What about when Eddie used to come out REAL early and play a song or two for the few lucky people who showed up early? That's a seperate performance from that night's show.
Also, Wrigley '13-before the storm and after the storm...two separate days (before/after midnight), 2 seperate performances, right?
Please update your spreadsheets.
Ha...so true on wrigley...was there and it felt like two different shows for sure.
I believe The Fixer tapings were in front of paid actors since they were for a TV commercial. So I wouldn't count that.
We'll never all agree!
They were paid AND they didn't even know who they were going to see. Now if the band only filmed the commercial and then left I wouldn't count it BUT since they stayed and played the crowd two songs separate after the taping I think it has to count as a performance.
It is this performance that will make the difference between MSG2 or Quebec City becoming number 1000
I dont care if tv shows or not I dont count them, ut the experience is unreal I just had to move my hand and i could touch Matt's back..was frikkin close!!
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Ok kids...I crunched some more numbers for the history buffs out there.
PJ has played a total of 28 TV/Radio/Award/Private shows that were included in my initial grand total "performance" number of 985 (No solo and/or partial group appearances were included in this number)
Now some of you might like to throw out all 28 of these from the hard count but I would suggest at a minimum not discarding the following 4 shows:
1) Austin City Limits 2009 - 11 songs in front of live audience. Watch the Sonic Highways episode on Austin and tell me that is not a concert!
2) Ed Sullivan 2006 - 10 songs and much different from other Late Show appearances. Anyone on these boards who were at that one will certainly consider it to be a show and from what I remember it was understood they would play a long set for the crowd making it a high demand ticket.
3) MTV Unplugged 1992 - To quote Ed at the end "This didn't feel like a tv show at all!"
4) VH1 Rock Honors: The Who - Only 2 songs but it was a real venue and a real concert where they and other bands basically opened for The Who
As far as what might be discarded: All other SNL/LateShow/Conan appearances, both Monkeywrench Radio gigs, The Impact Awards gig, The Fixer taping, and 4 live radio appearances that were in the initial count.
So where does that leave us...
1) If like me you think a performance is a performance then there have been 985 total and performance 1000 is Quebec City
2) If you think ABSOLUTELY ZERO tv/radio/private/award gig should count i.e. Total Concert or Die! then they have played 957 total CONCERTS to date and 1000 will likely be next year or the year after.
3) If you buy into the hybrid theory i.e. keep the 4 listed above in the hard count, then they have played 961 times or more/less depending how you feel. Fair opinion but it makes labeling show 1000 almost impossible as nobody will agree.
My personal thought is that going with option 1, where everything is on the table, is the only way to get to a real 1000. Arguing over what is and what isn't a show will almost be impossible to settle.
Edit - corrected post for double count I found on Livefootsteps
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
I agree with ed243421. I'd really like to know the official numbers that 10C says, I'd not argue with that. I've tried to list show numbers on my PJ spreadsheet, and they always seem to change. Would be swell if 10C would label the concerts/appearances with numbers.
"So now, I drink wine." - Milwaukee, WI 10/20/14 "How fortunate were we that we were born in Chicago..." - Rosemont, IL 5/14/15 "The irony is that maybe someday they'll find exactly that... maybe that's a good thing." - Rosemont, IL 5/15/15 "[Unthought Known] wasn't the *worst* thing I'd ever done..." Central Park, NYC 9/26/15 "Cómo se dice 'really high'?" - Mexico City, DF 11/28/15
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
I've only skimmed the rest of the thread (and we're all nuts) but without any other input from anyone official, I'd say we use the past tour setlists listed on this website.
Which puts Mexico City '15 at 965. Wrigley Night 2 in August '16 would be 988.
If PJ/10c lists the show as a setlist, it counts. If not, it doesn't. I mean, if they were going to do something (and that's equally possible and not possible) they'd use their count and ignore we crazies and our "This, but not that"s!
"So now, I drink wine." - Milwaukee, WI 10/20/14 "How fortunate were we that we were born in Chicago..." - Rosemont, IL 5/14/15 "The irony is that maybe someday they'll find exactly that... maybe that's a good thing." - Rosemont, IL 5/15/15 "[Unthought Known] wasn't the *worst* thing I'd ever done..." Central Park, NYC 9/26/15 "Cómo se dice 'really high'?" - Mexico City, DF 11/28/15
No way. Ed was on stage for 7 songs. It's a PJ show that ended early!
Ok
959
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
Comments
Also, Wrigley '13-before the storm and after the storm...two separate days (before/after midnight), 2 seperate performances, right?
Please update your spreadsheets.
07-09-95 Milwaukee
10-07-96 Ft. Lauderdale
06-29-98 Chicago
09-22-98 West Palm Beach
07-19-13 Wrigley Field
10-14-14 Memphis
04-26-16 Lexington
08-20-16 (Wrigley I)
08-22-16 (Wrigley II)
08-18-18 (Wrigley I)
08-20-18 (Wrigley II)
It is this performance that will make the difference between MSG2 or Quebec City becoming number 1000
Thanks for the convos. Good stuff.
I wouldn't count VH1 Who Honors, either, to final total.
Guess I just have high standards.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I dont count them, ut the experience is unreal
I just had to move my hand and i could touch Matt's back..was frikkin close!!
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
www.headstonesband.com
PJ has played a total of 28 TV/Radio/Award/Private shows that were included in my initial grand total "performance" number of 985 (No solo and/or partial group appearances were included in this number)
Now some of you might like to throw out all 28 of these from the hard count but I would suggest at a minimum not discarding the following 4 shows:
1) Austin City Limits 2009 - 11 songs in front of live audience. Watch the Sonic Highways episode on Austin and tell me that is not a concert!
2) Ed Sullivan 2006 - 10 songs and much different from other Late Show appearances. Anyone on these boards who were at that one will certainly consider it to be a show and from what I remember it was understood they would play a long set for the crowd making it a high demand ticket.
3) MTV Unplugged 1992 - To quote Ed at the end "This didn't feel like a tv show at all!"
4) VH1 Rock Honors: The Who - Only 2 songs but it was a real venue and a real concert where they and other bands basically opened for The Who
As far as what might be discarded: All other SNL/LateShow/Conan appearances, both Monkeywrench Radio gigs, The Impact Awards gig, The Fixer taping, and 4 live radio appearances that were in the initial count.
So where does that leave us...
1) If like me you think a performance is a performance then there have been 985 total and performance 1000 is Quebec City
2) If you think ABSOLUTELY ZERO tv/radio/private/award gig should count i.e. Total Concert or Die! then they have played 957 total CONCERTS to date and 1000 will likely be next year or the year after.
3) If you buy into the hybrid theory i.e. keep the 4 listed above in the hard count, then they have played 961 times or more/less depending how you feel. Fair opinion but it makes labeling show 1000 almost impossible as nobody will agree.
My personal thought is that going with option 1, where everything is on the table, is the only way to get to a real 1000. Arguing over what is and what isn't a show will almost be impossible to settle.
Edit - corrected post for double count I found on Livefootsteps
Except lose the 2 songs for the who
That's an appearance
Not a show IMO
960
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
I say 2 or 3. Will see what 10c says (if they do).
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
www.headstonesband.com
www.headstonesband.com
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
www.headstonesband.com
"How fortunate were we that we were born in Chicago..." - Rosemont, IL 5/14/15
"The irony is that maybe someday they'll find exactly that... maybe that's a good thing." - Rosemont, IL 5/15/15
"[Unthought Known] wasn't the *worst* thing I'd ever done..." Central Park, NYC 9/26/15
"Cómo se dice 'really high'?" - Mexico City, DF 11/28/15
No PJ
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
Which puts Mexico City '15 at 965. Wrigley Night 2 in August '16 would be 988.
If PJ/10c lists the show as a setlist, it counts. If not, it doesn't. I mean, if they were going to do something (and that's equally possible and not possible) they'd use their count and ignore we crazies and our "This, but not that"s!
"How fortunate were we that we were born in Chicago..." - Rosemont, IL 5/14/15
"The irony is that maybe someday they'll find exactly that... maybe that's a good thing." - Rosemont, IL 5/15/15
"[Unthought Known] wasn't the *worst* thing I'd ever done..." Central Park, NYC 9/26/15
"Cómo se dice 'really high'?" - Mexico City, DF 11/28/15
959
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13