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    BlredyellowBlredyellow Posts: 843
    TV shows do not count. Doesn't matter if it's one song or 10. Only concerts count.

    Would love to know show 1,000 but hard to tell because of missing shows, early history. 10c would need to figure it out to be official.
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    Foriginal SinForiginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,752
    Alright I'm glad we all decided that Wrigley 2 is their 1,000 show!
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    primussucksprimussucks Posts: 2,345
    Rumors that pj is headlining Osheaga fest in Montreal. Takes place July 29-31. Should be announced before end of the month.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,420
    Foriginal Sin said:

    Alright I'm glad we all decided that Wrigley 2 is their 1,000 show!

    Sounds good to me!
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,891
    I'll take the opposite approach and says tv shows count. There is an audience and they are playing songs. Same thing as a full concert, but just shorter. Their early shows were 10 songs or less and they count even though they are much shorter than the current format of 30+ songs.
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    mattcozmattcoz Chicago Posts: 2,181
    SVRDhand13 said:

    I honestly don't think there's a way to know for sure and I think the band is more concerned with the 25th anniversary.

    I hope not, the 25th anniversary was last October. :wink:
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    SVRDhand13 said:

    I'll take the opposite approach and says tv shows count. There is an audience and they are playing songs. Same thing as a full concert, but just shorter. Their early shows were 10 songs or less and they count even though they are much shorter than the current format of 30+ songs.

    I'm with you and for the record I am not the one picking and choosing what is a show and what is not. PJ Stat Tracker, Livefootsteps, Two Feet Thick and Setlist.fm ALL have included tv shows/in-stores/radio appaearances as shows. That has been the method of counting performances since the beginning of time and nobody quibbled with it. All I did was cross reference the sites, eliminate duplications and removed solo appearances or gigs where the whole band didn't appear. When you do that they have performed 985 times which makes Quebec City performance 1000.
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    CopperTom said:

    I don't think the stat trackers include any private shows. There's been a few. Target, Microsoft in recent years.

    Don't forget all these, definitely shows.
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,937
    If there is a public audience and they performed then it is a show. TV shows count. That those few instances would alter when their 1000 show is proves that, while fun to kick around, this remains an exercise in picking nits.
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    JB128716JB128716 Posts: 2,064
    I just asked someone with a low membership number and she says Wrigley 2 is the 1000th show. Case closed.

    And you say membership numbers don't mean anything.
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    ehbaconehbacon Posts: 1,965
    ok I counted everything from the past tour page and it added up to 965 shows.

    23 dates on the tour, so that would put us at 988 at the end of the tour, if I counted correctly.
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    BlredyellowBlredyellow Posts: 843
    Private band/charity shows are definitely shows.

    I'm a PJ/rock historian in my spare time. :) TV appearances are NOT shows/concerts. End of discussion.

    Anyone arguing otherwise never played in a band, booked concerts or understands the rock concert world.

    If you do a 30-show tour and made a TV appearance (1, 5 songs -- doesn't matter), you played 30 CONCERTS. Not 31.

    I'm gonna email 10c and see if they have a number. Maybe Demetrios can, too, since they seem to respond to him. :)

    Fun discussion and good for PJ history. Nice to actually talk about music and not bitch about something like merch or tickets.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Blredyellow said:

    Private band/charity shows are definitely shows.

    I'm a PJ/rock historian in my spare time. :) TV appearances are NOT shows/concerts. End of discussion.

    Anyone arguing otherwise never played in a band, booked concerts or understands the rock concert world.

    If you do a 30-show tour and made a TV appearance (1, 5 songs -- doesn't matter), you played 30 CONCERTS. Not 31.

    I'm gonna email 10c and see if they have a number. Maybe Demetrios can, too, since they seem to respond to him. :)

    Fun discussion and good for PJ history. Nice to actually talk about music and not bitch about something like merch or tickets.

    So you wouldn't include MTV Unplugged?!
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    whofeelslikeadrankwhofeelslikeadrank Posts: 2,702
    Blredyellow said:

    Private band/charity shows are definitely shows.

    I'm a PJ/rock historian in my spare time. :) TV appearances are NOT shows/concerts. End of discussion.

    Anyone arguing otherwise never played in a band, booked concerts or understands the rock concert world.

    If you do a 30-show tour and made a TV appearance (1, 5 songs -- doesn't matter), you played 30 CONCERTS. Not 31.

    I'm gonna email 10c and see if they have a number. Maybe Demetrios can, too, since they seem to respond to him. :)

    Fun discussion and good for PJ history. Nice to actually talk about music and not bitch about something like merch or tickets.

    +1
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    ehbacon said:

    ok I counted everything from the past tour page and it added up to 965 shows.

    23 dates on the tour, so that would put us at 988 at the end of the tour, if I counted correctly.

    The past tour page is not comprehensive. Just as an example...They only have one show listed in 1990 and all the other sites have them playing 3 that year.
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    BlredyellowBlredyellow Posts: 843
    I would not count Unplugged. TV taping. Non-concert appearance.

    But ... AWESOME. :)
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Blredyellow said:

    I would not count Unplugged. TV taping. Non-concert appearance.

    But ... AWESOME. :)

    On awesome we can agree but c'mon...that was a show!
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    BlredyellowBlredyellow Posts: 843
    I emailed 10c. Will post here if they respond. Hope they do, as PJ history is one of the most important things in the history of America and it'd be great to know where things stand in their eyes.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Blredyellow said:

    I emailed 10c. Will post here if they respond. Hope they do, as PJ history is one of the most important things in the history of America and it'd be great to know where things stand in their eyes.

    Excellent. 1000 is coming. It would be cool to know when.
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,891
    Blredyellow said:

    Private band/charity shows are definitely shows.

    I'm a PJ/rock historian in my spare time. :) TV appearances are NOT shows/concerts. End of discussion.

    Anyone arguing otherwise never played in a band, booked concerts or understands the rock concert world.

    If you do a 30-show tour and made a TV appearance (1, 5 songs -- doesn't matter), you played 30 CONCERTS. Not 31.

    I'm gonna email 10c and see if they have a number. Maybe Demetrios can, too, since they seem to respond to him. :)

    Fun discussion and good for PJ history. Nice to actually talk about music and not bitch about something like merch or tickets.

    30 concerts. 31 performances. 31 shows.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,420
    BS44325 said:

    Blredyellow said:

    I would not count Unplugged. TV taping. Non-concert appearance.

    But ... AWESOME. :)

    On awesome we can agree but c'mon...that was a show!
    I'd definitely count Unplugged as a show. Whether it was recorded for tv or not, it's a full concert and not the band appearing for a song or two on someone else's variety show. Letterman, SNL, etc, are NOT Pearl Jam concerts.
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    BlredyellowBlredyellow Posts: 843
    SVRDhand13: Dude. PJ's own concert history doesn't even list TV appearances. Go to 1996. Nothing on Letterman, Hail, Hail and Leaving Here and it being a "show."

    If you think a one-song TV appearance should count toward their 1,000th concert, I really can't help you.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Blredyellow said:

    SVRDhand13: Dude. PJ's own concert history doesn't even list TV appearances. Go to 1996. Nothing on Letterman, Hail, Hail and Leaving Here and it being a "show."

    If you think a one-song TV appearance should count toward their 1,000th concert, I really can't help you.

    Hang on...

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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,937
    For years PJ's own concert history didn't include the 2008 Beacon Theatre show, either. Now it does. None of this is set in stone. It's all subjective.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    That's it...I'm editing the title of this thread from "show" to "performance"
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    whofeelslikeadrankwhofeelslikeadrank Posts: 2,702
    Blredyellow said:

    SVRDhand13: Dude. PJ's own concert history doesn't even list TV appearances. Go to 1996. Nothing on Letterman, Hail, Hail and Leaving Here and it being a "show."

    If you think a one-song TV appearance should count toward their 1,000th concert, I really can't help you.

    what about mtv unplugged? TV appearance? or concert?
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,891
    Blredyellow said:

    SVRDhand13: Dude. PJ's own concert history doesn't even list TV appearances. Go to 1996. Nothing on Letterman, Hail, Hail and Leaving Here and it being a "show."

    If you think a one-song TV appearance should count toward their 1,000th concert, I really can't help you.

    They also didn't have beacon for years. They also don't have the oracle concert. Yet They have rock honors. There's no right answer. It's all opinion.
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,891
    BS44325 said:

    That's it...I'm editing the title of this thread from "show" to "performance"

    :lol: Good call OP
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited February 2016
    SVRDhand13 said:

    BS44325 said:

    That's it...I'm editing the title of this thread from "show" to "performance"

    :lol: Good call OP
    Based on the name change the only update would be adding any "private" performances. From what I understand Microsoft was Eddie only so that would not count. The only other "performance" remaining (that I am aware of) would be the fixer taping at the showbox. Since the band played two songs for the 300 people after the taping this appearance would have to count in the totals. Therefore...the new grand total of performances is 986 and number 1000 is MSG2.
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,937
    I believe The Fixer tapings were in front of paid actors since they were for a TV commercial. So I wouldn't count that.

    We'll never all agree! :lol:
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