Here is 1 to think about (if already discussed sorry and just another example of how hard to pull this together) - since counting TV shows - 11/14/02 and 11/15/02 were Letterman shows and all these resources treat them as different shows - however they were both recorded on 11/14/02 - not sure how you can count 11/15/02. Might be others like this - maybe I'll get around to this project soon.
I've only skimmed the rest of the thread (and we're all nuts) but without any other input from anyone official, I'd say we use the past tour setlists listed on this website.
Which puts Mexico City '15 at 965. Wrigley Night 2 in August '16 would be 988.
If PJ/10c lists the show as a setlist, it counts. If not, it doesn't. I mean, if they were going to do something (and that's equally possible and not possible) they'd use their count and ignore we crazies and our "This, but not that"s!
You're right about being Nuts, and I agree with your numbers I've been thinking about this for a few days. I just counted every show on this official site. Including the one night on the Ride show just added, Wrigley 2 will be show 989 based on Pearljam.coms own info. Where is the OP getting their numbers saying Quebec will be 1000? This is the official site, where do the other 20 shows come from?
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Do the math. Wrigley 2 would be show 989. So again, how does the OP say Quebec 2016 will be show 1,000? I have Quebec at 980 and show 1000 TBD. I'm not saying OP is wrong but my numbers are direct from the official Pearl Jam site that we're all using.
That number is using the list at setlist.fm. Which includes TV performances, and thus why even when I initially posted about it I was skeptical.
Believe you me, no one wants QC to be PJ1000 more than me. But if it's not, it's not. C'est la vie.
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"So now, I drink wine." - Milwaukee, WI 10/20/14 "How fortunate were we that we were born in Chicago..." - Rosemont, IL 5/14/15 "The irony is that maybe someday they'll find exactly that... maybe that's a good thing." - Rosemont, IL 5/15/15 "[Unthought Known] wasn't the *worst* thing I'd ever done..." Central Park, NYC 9/26/15 "Cómo se dice 'really high'?" - Mexico City, DF 11/28/15
Okay so I did some additional research and noticed the 1,136 show count includes the 137 EV solo shows + 22 dates on the upcoming tour (they don't list the 05/11 Toronto show or the Ride festival for some reason). So that puts the count at 977 shows and if you add the 24 dates to that count Wrigley Field #1 would end up being their 1,000th show. This seems more plausible to me than Quebec City (no offense to Canadians).
For anyone that's interested in researching this themselves just go to PJdb.net and click on "Find setlist" and go to the bottom of that page and click on "search shows" without applying any filters and all the shows will come up. The solo shows will appear next to the show date.
RM
But you haven't cross referenced the other sites. When you do you will see that performances are missing from this list.
I've only skimmed the rest of the thread (and we're all nuts) but without any other input from anyone official, I'd say we use the past tour setlists listed on this website.
Which puts Mexico City '15 at 965. Wrigley Night 2 in August '16 would be 988.
If PJ/10c lists the show as a setlist, it counts. If not, it doesn't. I mean, if they were going to do something (and that's equally possible and not possible) they'd use their count and ignore we crazies and our "This, but not that"s!
You're right about being Nuts, and I agree with your numbers I've been thinking about this for a few days. I just counted every show on this official site. Including the one night on the Ride show just added, Wrigley 2 will be show 989 based on Pearljam.coms own info. Where is the OP getting their numbers saying Quebec will be 1000? This is the official site, where do the other 20 shows come from?
*snip*
Do the math. Wrigley 2 would be show 989. So again, how does the OP say Quebec 2016 will be show 1,000? I have Quebec at 980 and show 1000 TBD. I'm not saying OP is wrong but my numbers are direct from the official Pearl Jam site that we're all using.
That number is using the list at setlist.fm. Which includes TV performances, and thus why even when I initially posted about it I was skeptical.
Believe you me, no one wants QC to be PJ1000 more than me. But if it's not, it's not. C'est la vie.
If it's using setlist.fm then I know I am right as it is missing performances. I have checked this already. Read through the thread. Total number of performances as Pearl Jam stands at 985.
I would love to be at qc and people are holding up signs of 1000 and the band is like what are you talking about this isn't our 1000th show.
I am having a PJ1000 Quebec City t-shirt made
I'll take a medium please lol
Mexico City 28/11/15 Chicago 20/08/16 Boston 04/09/2018 Quebec City 05/05/16 Chicago 22/08/16 Ottawa 08/05/16 Taormina 26/06/17 Toronto 10/05/16 Taormina 27/06/17 Toronto 11/05/16 Boston 02/09/2018
Okay so I did some additional research and noticed the 1,136 show count includes the 137 EV solo shows + 22 dates on the upcoming tour (they don't list the 05/11 Toronto show or the Ride festival for some reason). So that puts the count at 977 shows and if you add the 24 dates to that count Wrigley Field #1 would end up being their 1,000th show. This seems more plausible to me than Quebec City (no offense to Canadians).
For anyone that's interested in researching this themselves just go to PJdb.net and click on "Find setlist" and go to the bottom of that page and click on "search shows" without applying any filters and all the shows will come up. The solo shows will appear next to the show date.
RM
But you haven't cross referenced the other sites. When you do you will see that performances are missing from this list.
It's all so subjective as what show's do you include/not include in the count, tv appearances, special invite shows (i.e. Target) etc? It seems different sources have different opinions, for example I noticed the PJ Stat Tracker app sometimes puts 2 sets performed on the same day as 2 separate shows.
My PJ shows:
London 28/10/96, Las Vegas 11/7/98, London 29/5/00, Nurnburg 11/6/00, Prague 14/6/00, Salzburg 18/6/00, Verona 20/6/00, Milan 22/6/00, Zurich 23/6/00, New York 8-9/7/03, Boston 11/7/03, Reading Festival 27/8/06, Shepards Bush 11/8/09, Berlin 15/8/09, Manchester 17/8/09, London 18/8/09, Dublin 22/6/10, Belfast 23/6/10, London (HRC) 25/6/10, Alpine Valley (PJ20) 3-4/9/11, Manchester 20-21/6/12, Leeds 8/7/14, Milton Keynes 11/7/14 To be continued....
Personally I agree with others in this thread that only concerts should be counted. I feel including TV or special appearances is inflating the statistics unnaturally.
Then this thread should be called "1000th Concert" not performance. To me performance would include things like SNL and talk shows where 1-2 songs are played. So 1000 performances is different from 1000 concerts.
Personally I agree with others in this thread that only concerts should be counted. I feel including TV or special appearances is inflating the statistics unnaturally.
Then this thread should be called "1000th Concert" not performance. To me performance would include things like SNL and talk shows where 1-2 songs are played. So 1000 performances is different from 1000 concerts.
Not everybody agrees. If you read the whole thread you will see that this has been discussed. Concerts can't be counted based on people's differing definitions but performances can. 1000th performance is Quebec City. Feel free to figure out for yourself what the 1000th concert is.
What if we defined concerts as any performance where tickets were made available to the general public through a nationally recognized ticketing outlet (or equivalent during the TM boycott) or any bar/club shows during their "infancy"?
Personally I agree with others in this thread that only concerts should be counted. I feel including TV or special appearances is inflating the statistics unnaturally.
Then this thread should be called "1000th Concert" not performance. To me performance would include things like SNL and talk shows where 1-2 songs are played. So 1000 performances is different from 1000 concerts.
Not everybody agrees. If you read the whole thread you will see that this has been discussed. Concerts can't be counted based on people's differing definitions but performances can. 1000th performance is Quebec City. Feel free to figure out for yourself what the 1000th concert is.
How did you account for this? Here is 1 to think about (if already discussed sorry and just another example of how hard to pull this together) - since counting TV shows - 11/14/02 and 11/15/02 were Letterman shows and all these resources treat them as different shows - however they were both recorded on 11/14/02 - not sure how you can count 11/15/02.
What if we defined concerts as any performance where tickets were made available to the general public through a nationally recognized ticketing outlet (or equivalent during the TM boycott) or any bar/club shows during their "infancy"?
Do we have a handle on that number?
If you read back there is a post splitting concerts from performances. Again this is controversial because under this scenario MTV Unplugged wouldn't be called a concert and I will go to my grave saying that it was.
Personally I agree with others in this thread that only concerts should be counted. I feel including TV or special appearances is inflating the statistics unnaturally.
Then this thread should be called "1000th Concert" not performance. To me performance would include things like SNL and talk shows where 1-2 songs are played. So 1000 performances is different from 1000 concerts.
Not everybody agrees. If you read the whole thread you will see that this has been discussed. Concerts can't be counted based on people's differing definitions but performances can. 1000th performance is Quebec City. Feel free to figure out for yourself what the 1000th concert is.
How did you account for this? Here is 1 to think about (if already discussed sorry and just another example of how hard to pull this together) - since counting TV shows - 11/14/02 and 11/15/02 were Letterman shows and all these resources treat them as different shows - however they were both recorded on 11/14/02 - not sure how you can count 11/15/02.
That's 1 performance (as per two feet thick). I made the adjustment in my initial calculation.
What if we defined concerts as any performance where tickets were made available to the general public through a nationally recognized ticketing outlet (or equivalent during the TM boycott) or any bar/club shows during their "infancy"?
Do we have a handle on that number?
If you read back there is a post splitting concerts from performances. Again this is controversial because under this scenario MTV Unplugged wouldn't be called a concert and I will go to my grave saying that it was.
I would also count it as a concert. They played a set. I would say anytime they've played a set (whether it being for unplugged, storytellers, austin city limits, or after a letterman show) that it's a concert. If they show up and record 1 or 2 songs for a TV taping I'd call that a performance. Ie most letterman tapings I would consider a performance, except for the one time they came back out and played a set. When you've played a set I think your at a concert (even if it's filmed for tv).
I do like the distinction of concert vs. performance. I'm still convinced that the pre pearl jam being famous concert history can't be 100% correct. Surely there's a show or two out there that time forgot? I know someone said the archive is pretty good, but you'd have to think a few got missed.
What if we defined concerts as any performance where tickets were made available to the general public through a nationally recognized ticketing outlet (or equivalent during the TM boycott) or any bar/club shows during their "infancy"?
Do we have a handle on that number?
If you read back there is a post splitting concerts from performances. Again this is controversial because under this scenario MTV Unplugged wouldn't be called a concert and I will go to my grave saying that it was.
I would also count it as a concert. They played a set. I would say anytime they've played a set (whether it being for unplugged, storytellers, austin city limits, or after a letterman show) that it's a concert. If they show up and record 1 or 2 songs for a TV taping I'd call that a performance. Ie most letterman tapings I would consider a performance, except for the one time they came back out and played a set. When you've played a set I think your at a concert (even if it's filmed for tv).
I do like the distinction of concert vs. performance. I'm still convinced that the pre pearl jam being famous concert history can't be 100% correct. Surely there's a show or two out there that time forgot? I know someone said the archive is pretty good, but you'd have to think a few got missed.
The early concert archives on TwoFeetThick.com are extremely detailed and was very helpful in determining the hard count of performances.
No Ive read it. If I missed where someone mentioned the stats form the app then forgive me. Not sure what all is considered a "show" but since this is coming directly from the app I'd think it is the most accurate.
And these are not from PJ Stat Tracker. They are form the iphone app.
The early concert archives on TwoFeetThick.com are extremely detailed and was very helpful in determining the hard count of performances.
I wasn't arguing they weren't detailed, I was arguing that before PJ got big (in their first year to year and a half of existence) they may have played really small shows that people forgot or no information could be found about them. There wouldn't of been a diehard following back then documenting everything they were doing. I can imagine at least a show or two was forgotten about from the era.
No Ive read it. If I missed where someone mentioned the stats form the app then forgive me. Not sure what all is considered a "show" but since this is coming directly from the app I'd think it is the most accurate.
And these are not from PJ Stat Tracker. They are form the iphone app.
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Might be others like this - maybe I'll get around to this project soon.
SHOW COUNT: (149) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=89, US=109, CAN=15, Europe=19 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
Upcoming: Sacramento, Vegas x2, Manchester, London, Chicago x2, NYC x2, Fenway x2, Ohana x2 Aucklandx2, Gold Coast, Melbournex2
SHOW COUNT: (149) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=89, US=109, CAN=15, Europe=19 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
Upcoming: Sacramento, Vegas x2, Manchester, London, Chicago x2, NYC x2, Fenway x2, Ohana x2 Aucklandx2, Gold Coast, Melbournex2
Believe you me, no one wants QC to be PJ1000 more than me.
"How fortunate were we that we were born in Chicago..." - Rosemont, IL 5/14/15
"The irony is that maybe someday they'll find exactly that... maybe that's a good thing." - Rosemont, IL 5/15/15
"[Unthought Known] wasn't the *worst* thing I'd ever done..." Central Park, NYC 9/26/15
"Cómo se dice 'really high'?" - Mexico City, DF 11/28/15
I just don't think anyone knows for sure what number of shows they've played.
Mexico City 28/11/15 Chicago 20/08/16 Boston 04/09/2018
Quebec City 05/05/16 Chicago 22/08/16
Ottawa 08/05/16 Taormina 26/06/17
Toronto 10/05/16 Taormina 27/06/17
Toronto 11/05/16 Boston 02/09/2018
Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
London 28/10/96, Las Vegas 11/7/98, London 29/5/00, Nurnburg 11/6/00, Prague 14/6/00, Salzburg 18/6/00, Verona 20/6/00, Milan 22/6/00, Zurich 23/6/00, New York 8-9/7/03, Boston 11/7/03, Reading Festival 27/8/06, Shepards Bush 11/8/09, Berlin 15/8/09, Manchester 17/8/09, London 18/8/09, Dublin 22/6/10, Belfast 23/6/10, London (HRC) 25/6/10, Alpine Valley (PJ20) 3-4/9/11, Manchester 20-21/6/12, Leeds 8/7/14, Milton Keynes 11/7/14 To be continued....
So 1000 performances is different from 1000 concerts.
Do we have a handle on that number?
Here is 1 to think about (if already discussed sorry and just another example of how hard to pull this together) - since counting TV shows - 11/14/02 and 11/15/02 were Letterman shows and all these resources treat them as different shows - however they were both recorded on 11/14/02 - not sure how you can count 11/15/02.
SHOW COUNT: (149) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=89, US=109, CAN=15, Europe=19 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
Upcoming: Sacramento, Vegas x2, Manchester, London, Chicago x2, NYC x2, Fenway x2, Ohana x2 Aucklandx2, Gold Coast, Melbournex2
I do like the distinction of concert vs. performance. I'm still convinced that the pre pearl jam being famous concert history can't be 100% correct. Surely there's a show or two out there that time forgot? I know someone said the archive is pretty good, but you'd have to think a few got missed.
Shows Played: 967
Songs Played: 20,073
Unique PJ Songs Played: 172
Unique Covers Played: 310
Wrigley 2 will be 993
Columbus-2003
Cincinnati-2006
Columbus-2010
Wrigley-2013
Cincinnati-2014
Lexington-2016
Wrigley 1 & 2-2018
And these are not from PJ Stat Tracker. They are form the iphone app.
Columbus-2003
Cincinnati-2006
Columbus-2010
Wrigley-2013
Cincinnati-2014
Lexington-2016
Wrigley 1 & 2-2018