2016 Democratic Presidential Candidates

JimmyV

"You're all too young to know how crazy it is that my wife is under investigation by the FBI and the Democratic frontrunner...but lemme tell ya...it's pretty crazy."

gimmesometruth27

JimmyV said:

cincybearcat said:

InHiding80 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.

Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.

JimmyV said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Bernie is the Jeb.
Tie goes to the runner.

Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.

No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.

Bernie is building hate? How so?

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 said:

JimmyV said:

cincybearcat said:

InHiding80 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.

Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.

JimmyV said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Bernie is the Jeb.
Tie goes to the runner.

Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.

No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.

Bernie is building hate? How so?

Haha! I love that guy Takei!

muskydan

gimmesometruth27 said:

JimmyV said:

cincybearcat said:

InHiding80 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.

Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.

JimmyV said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Bernie is the Jeb.
Tie goes to the runner.

Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.

No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.

Bernie is building hate? How so?

I love it…Mr. SULU busting out THE SHOCKER……one in the Pink, one in the Stink…lol

cincybearcat

JimmyV said:

cincybearcat said:

InHiding80 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.

Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.

JimmyV said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Bernie is the Jeb.
Tie goes to the runner.

Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.

No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.

Bernie is building hate? How so?

He's touch on the hate some have for "big business" "Wall Street" and generally those that have "more than they should".

You don't think he's touched on and helped build that hate? Or you don't think it's hate?

JimmyV

cincybearcat said:

JimmyV said:

cincybearcat said:

InHiding80 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.

Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.

JimmyV said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Bernie is the Jeb.
Tie goes to the runner.

Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.

No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.

Bernie is building hate? How so?

He's touch on the hate some have for "big business" "Wall Street" and generally those that have "more than they should".

You don't think he's touched on and helped build that hate? Or you don't think it's hate?

Fair point I guess. I'm not sure I see it as hate so much as contempt, whereas Trump is definitely tapping into hate. IMO. Maybe that's just semantics though.

brianlux

You can hate greed, inequity, hubris, extreme imbalance, racism, etc. and not hate an individual.

cincybearcat

brianlux said:

You can hate greed, inequity, hubris, extreme imbalance, racism, etc. and not hate an individual.

You could but they don't. Just like yu can hate terrorism, etc and not hate all people of a faith, but trump supporters don't

JC29856

Has the super Tuesday delegates been finalized? Who got what?

Gern Blansten

JC29856 said:

Has the super Tuesday delegates been finalized? Who got what?

www.cnn.com

JimmyV

Hillary's margin of victory in Massachusetts was roughly 17,000 votes. She won the city of Boston - arguably the Democratic Establishment's greatest stronghold - by roughly 20,000 votes. Therein lies the difference.

JC29856

As voting rights advocates predicted loud and often, new voter ID laws seem to be hitting Democrats harder than Republicans.

GOP voter turnout in this year's presidential race is up 62 percent relative to 2008, the last time both parties had open contests. But Democratic voter turnout is down by 29 percent across all the primary and caucus states that have voted so far. In all but two states, fewer Democrats turned out to vote in 2016 than did in 2008.

Evidence suggests that new voting restrictions are at least a contributing factor.

Eight out of the 16 states that have held primaries or caucuses so far have implemented new voter ID or other restrictive voting laws since 2010. Democratic turnout has dropped 37 percent overall in those eight states, but just 13 percent in the states that didn't enact new voter restrictions. To put it another way, Democratic voter turnout was 285 percent worse in states with new voter ID laws.

JimmyV

JC29856 said:

As voting rights advocates predicted loud and often, new voter ID laws seem to be hitting Democrats harder than Republicans.

GOP voter turnout in this year's presidential race is up 62 percent relative to 2008, the last time both parties had open contests. But Democratic voter turnout is down by 29 percent across all the primary and caucus states that have voted so far. In all but two states, fewer Democrats turned out to vote in 2016 than did in 2008.

Evidence suggests that new voting restrictions are at least a contributing factor.

Eight out of the 16 states that have held primaries or caucuses so far have implemented new voter ID or other restrictive voting laws since 2010. Democratic turnout has dropped 37 percent overall in those eight states, but just 13 percent in the states that didn't enact new voter restrictions. To put it another way, Democratic voter turnout was 285 percent worse in states with new voter ID laws.

Here's the thing...I'll have to show more ID to pick up my Pearl Jam tickets at Fenway in August than I did to vote outside Boston on Tuesday. That strikes me as backwards.

Both parties run voter registration drives and get out the vote drives. They could both run voter ID drives as well. Expecting people to have some form of ID to prove who they are on election day shouldn't be treated as disenfranchisement.

rgambs

JimmyV said:

JC29856 said:

As voting rights advocates predicted loud and often, new voter ID laws seem to be hitting Democrats harder than Republicans.

GOP voter turnout in this year's presidential race is up 62 percent relative to 2008, the last time both parties had open contests. But Democratic voter turnout is down by 29 percent across all the primary and caucus states that have voted so far. In all but two states, fewer Democrats turned out to vote in 2016 than did in 2008.

Evidence suggests that new voting restrictions are at least a contributing factor.

Eight out of the 16 states that have held primaries or caucuses so far have implemented new voter ID or other restrictive voting laws since 2010. Democratic turnout has dropped 37 percent overall in those eight states, but just 13 percent in the states that didn't enact new voter restrictions. To put it another way, Democratic voter turnout was 285 percent worse in states with new voter ID laws.

Here's the thing...I'll have to show more ID to pick up my Pearl Jam tickets at Fenway in August than I did to vote outside Boston on Tuesday. That strikes me as backwards.

Both parties run voter registration drives and get out the vote drives. They could both run voter ID drives as well. Expecting people to have some form of ID to prove who they are on election day shouldn't be treated as disenfranchisement.

It wouldn't be, if voter ID's were free and easy to access. But they aren't. They are expensive and have to be procured during work hours, putting a much heavier burden on poor black people who don't drive.

JimmyV

rgambs said:

JimmyV said:

JC29856 said:

As voting rights advocates predicted loud and often, new voter ID laws seem to be hitting Democrats harder than Republicans.

GOP voter turnout in this year's presidential race is up 62 percent relative to 2008, the last time both parties had open contests. But Democratic voter turnout is down by 29 percent across all the primary and caucus states that have voted so far. In all but two states, fewer Democrats turned out to vote in 2016 than did in 2008.

Evidence suggests that new voting restrictions are at least a contributing factor.

Eight out of the 16 states that have held primaries or caucuses so far have implemented new voter ID or other restrictive voting laws since 2010. Democratic turnout has dropped 37 percent overall in those eight states, but just 13 percent in the states that didn't enact new voter restrictions. To put it another way, Democratic voter turnout was 285 percent worse in states with new voter ID laws.

Here's the thing...I'll have to show more ID to pick up my Pearl Jam tickets at Fenway in August than I did to vote outside Boston on Tuesday. That strikes me as backwards.

Both parties run voter registration drives and get out the vote drives. They could both run voter ID drives as well. Expecting people to have some form of ID to prove who they are on election day shouldn't be treated as disenfranchisement.

It wouldn't be, if voter ID's were free and easy to access. But they aren't. They are expensive and have to be procured during work hours, putting a much heavier burden on poor black people who don't drive.

Which is why that needs to be fixed. There is no reason why a voter ID should be expensive. Or even have any cost at all. That doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

rgambs

JimmyV said:

rgambs said:

JimmyV said:

JC29856 said:

As voting rights advocates predicted loud and often, new voter ID laws seem to be hitting Democrats harder than Republicans.

GOP voter turnout in this year's presidential race is up 62 percent relative to 2008, the last time both parties had open contests. But Democratic voter turnout is down by 29 percent across all the primary and caucus states that have voted so far. In all but two states, fewer Democrats turned out to vote in 2016 than did in 2008.

Evidence suggests that new voting restrictions are at least a contributing factor.

Eight out of the 16 states that have held primaries or caucuses so far have implemented new voter ID or other restrictive voting laws since 2010. Democratic turnout has dropped 37 percent overall in those eight states, but just 13 percent in the states that didn't enact new voter restrictions. To put it another way, Democratic voter turnout was 285 percent worse in states with new voter ID laws.

Here's the thing...I'll have to show more ID to pick up my Pearl Jam tickets at Fenway in August than I did to vote outside Boston on Tuesday. That strikes me as backwards.

Both parties run voter registration drives and get out the vote drives. They could both run voter ID drives as well. Expecting people to have some form of ID to prove who they are on election day shouldn't be treated as disenfranchisement.

It wouldn't be, if voter ID's were free and easy to access. But they aren't. They are expensive and have to be procured during work hours, putting a much heavier burden on poor black people who don't drive.

Which is why that needs to be fixed. There is no reason why a voter ID should be expensive. Or even have any cost at all. That doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

I agree with that, but Republicans surely don't, you had better believe they relish the additional difficulty it places on poor black voters.

Free

Ex-convicts are not allowed to vote. That should be reversed as well.

rgambs

Oregon is patting itself on the back for making voter registration automatic...for those who are paying for driver's licenses.
In a state where almost everyone drives, with very few minorities in poverty, it isn't much of an accomplishment for voting accessibility.

JC29856

There is a ton of research on voting fraud most point to mis management of voter roll maintenance. Most irregularities are due to clerical errors not individuals trying to cast multiple votes.
If a state requires photo id then they should provide photo ids, works in every other "democracy".

Leezestarr313

They should allow the permanent residents who have lived here for a while and pay taxes to vote too. We might be less tired of how things go and still have an optimistic outlook on the future of the country