The super delegates are such a bad look for the party. Insiders supporting the Establishment candidate in 2016 isn't something that plays well to the voters, to say the least. Democrats would be much better off without them.
No time for negative thinking. Bernie's on a roll. They said it's over? It ain't over!
Exactly! Get pissed whenever he wins more pledged delegates but the super delegates won't flip. Right now that sort of anger will only discourage people from hitting the booths.
That is frustrating, RZ, but the momentum is building. I think this is what were going to see happen further down the line. Michigan was HUGE and people are seeing that. That win will re-energize his campaign.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
No time for negative thinking. Bernie's on a roll. They said it's over? It ain't over!
Exactly! Get pissed whenever he wins more pledged delegates but the super delegates won't flip. Right now that sort of anger will only discourage people from hitting the booths.
That is frustrating, RZ, but the momentum is building. I think this is what were going to see happen further down the line. Michigan was HUGE and people are seeing that. That win will re-energize his campaign.
Truth! Winter is over America, get ready to start feeling the Bern!!!
No time for negative thinking. Bernie's on a roll. They said it's over? It ain't over!
Exactly! Get pissed whenever he wins more pledged delegates but the super delegates won't flip. Right now that sort of anger will only discourage people from hitting the booths.
That is frustrating, RZ, but the momentum is building. I think this is what were going to see happen further down the line. Michigan was HUGE and people are seeing that. That win will re-energize his campaign.
Truth! Winter is over America, get ready to start feeling the Bern!!!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
No time for negative thinking. Bernie's on a roll. They said it's over? It ain't over!
Exactly! Get pissed whenever he wins more pledged delegates but the super delegates won't flip. Right now that sort of anger will only discourage people from hitting the booths.
Super delegates can and very well may flip. Refer to 8 years ago.
No time for negative thinking. Bernie's on a roll. They said it's over? It ain't over!
Exactly! Get pissed whenever he wins more pledged delegates but the super delegates won't flip. Right now that sort of anger will only discourage people from hitting the booths.
Super delegates can and very well may flip. Refer to 8 years ago.
Exactly, they will flip if we demand it with our votes.
If you look at a Democratic delegate tracker like this one from The New York Times, you’ll find that Hillary Clinton has a massive 394-44 delegate lead over Bernie Sanders so far, despite having been walloped by Sanders in New Hampshire and only essentially having tied him in Iowa. While Sanders does have a modest 36-32 lead among elected delegates — those that are bound to the candidates based on the results of voting in primaries and caucuses — Clinton leads 362-8 among superdelegates, who are Democratic elected officials and other party insiders allowed to support whichever candidate they like.
If you’re a Sanders supporter, you might think this seems profoundly unfair. And you’d be right: It’s profoundly unfair. Superdelegates were created in part to give Democratic party elites the opportunity to put their finger on the scale and prevent nominations like those of George McGovern in 1972 or Jimmy Carter in 1976, which displeased party insiders.
Here’s the consolation, however. Unlike elected delegates, superdelegates are unbound to any candidate even on the first ballot. They can switch whenever they like, and some of them probably will switch to Sanders if he extends his winning streak into more diverse states and eventually appears to have more of a mandate than Clinton among Democratic voters.
Clinton knows this all too well; it’s exactly what happened to her in 2008 during her loss to Barack Obama. According to the website Democratic Convention Watch,1 Clinton began with a substantial advantage in superdelegates, leading Obama 154 to 50 when New Hampshire voted on Jan. 8, 2008. Obama narrowed his deficit in February and March, however, and overtook Clinton in superdelegates in mid-May. By the time Clinton ended her campaign on June 7, 2008, Obama had nearly a 2-to-1 superdelegate advantage over her.
If you look at a Democratic delegate tracker like this one from The New York Times, you’ll find that Hillary Clinton has a massive 394-44 delegate lead over Bernie Sanders so far, despite having been walloped by Sanders in New Hampshire and only essentially having tied him in Iowa. While Sanders does have a modest 36-32 lead among elected delegates — those that are bound to the candidates based on the results of voting in primaries and caucuses — Clinton leads 362-8 among superdelegates, who are Democratic elected officials and other party insiders allowed to support whichever candidate they like.
If you’re a Sanders supporter, you might think this seems profoundly unfair. And you’d be right: It’s profoundly unfair. Superdelegates were created in part to give Democratic party elites the opportunity to put their finger on the scale and prevent nominations like those of George McGovern in 1972 or Jimmy Carter in 1976, which displeased party insiders.
Here’s the consolation, however. Unlike elected delegates, superdelegates are unbound to any candidate even on the first ballot. They can switch whenever they like, and some of them probably will switch to Sanders if he extends his winning streak into more diverse states and eventually appears to have more of a mandate than Clinton among Democratic voters.
Clinton knows this all too well; it’s exactly what happened to her in 2008 during her loss to Barack Obama. According to the website Democratic Convention Watch,1 Clinton began with a substantial advantage in superdelegates, leading Obama 154 to 50 when New Hampshire voted on Jan. 8, 2008. Obama narrowed his deficit in February and March, however, and overtook Clinton in superdelegates in mid-May. By the time Clinton ended her campaign on June 7, 2008, Obama had nearly a 2-to-1 superdelegate advantage over her.
Clinton came off like kind of a bitch at the end of his statement. The smirking and laughing at the crowd's reaction came off as really smug. She shouldn't act like that after someone says the shit he just said. Makes her look really bad.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Clinton came off like kind of a bitch at the end of his statement. The smirking and laughing at the crowd's reaction came off as really smug. She shouldn't act like that after someone says the shit he just said. Makes her look really bad.
Looking bad....her resume and self service speaks for itself!
Clinton came off like kind of a bitch at the end of his statement. The smirking and laughing at the crowd's reaction came off as really smug. She shouldn't act like that after someone says the shit he just said. Makes her look really bad.
Disagree...no smugness, just a reaction
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Some people laugh as a nervous reaction when cornered (my dad does this). Perhaps that's why she laughed, how else do you respond to That?!
I dunno, just be normal? Stand there and let Bernie have his moment instead of laughing out loud? But sorry, didn't actually think my little comment would get so much reaction - I meant it just as an aside, lol. I'm actually not a big Clinton hater. I think she gets way more criticism than she deserves for the most part. I just didn't like how she laughed after Bernie's speech and about the crowd. Rubbed me the wrong way, and yeah, I do think she was laughing AT the strength of the crowd's reaction, not nervously laughing. She wouldn't get nervous about that - she's a seasoned politician at this point; she's got complete control over her public reactions.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
But sorry, didn't actually think my little comment would get so much reaction - I meant it just as an aside, lol. I'm actually not a big Clinton hater. I think she gets way more criticism than she deserves for the most part. I just didn't like how she laughed after Bernie's speech and about the crowd. Rubbed me the wrong way, and yeah, I do think she was laughing AT the strength of the crowd's reaction, not nervously laughing. She wouldn't get nervous about that - she's a seasoned politician at this point; she's got complete control over her public reactions.
Who knows, who cares.