I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.
You bring up a good point. No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me. Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.
You bring up a good point. No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me. Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.
I think it speaks more to the deliberate attempt at garnering publicity.
I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.
You bring up a good point. No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me. Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.
I think it speaks more to the deliberate attempt at garnering publicity.
On Jenner's part? She has had publicity for decades as a man. It only started really bothering people when she came out as transgendered.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.
You bring up a good point. No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me. Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.
I think it speaks more to the deliberate attempt at garnering publicity.
On Jenner's part? She has had publicity for decades as a man. It only started really bothering people when she came out as transgendered.
On the magazine's part.
And for the record... I'm not bothered. Each to their own- provided they aren't impacting others in a negative way.
I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.
You bring up a good point. No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me. Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.
I think it speaks more to the deliberate attempt at garnering publicity.
On Jenner's part? She has had publicity for decades as a man. It only started really bothering people when she came out as transgendered.
On the magazine's part.
And for the record... I'm not bothered. Each to their own- provided they aren't impacting others in a negative way.
Well, the magazine is just chugging along doing what any magazine is supposed to do I guess. I think Jenner being their Woman of the Year is one of the few times they actually picked someone for a decent reason. That doesn't change the fact that people are suddenly getting mad about the choice just because it's a transgendered person. I think it's a great example of why people like Jenner actually need to remain in the spotlight. It's not like Joe-Schmoe-Transgendered from Queens or Little Rock is going to be able to turn this important issue into something people are actually talking about and debating. But still people complain that Jenner is famous, blah blah. Errrr..... makes no sense, you know? It often takes a famous person to bring issues that need attention to the forefront. There are TONS of examples of this.... No one minded until it was a transgendered person. It just pissed me off. Some actually believe that she did it as a publicity stunt. Became a woman for publicity. I mean fuck. Come on.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.
You bring up a good point. No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me. Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.
That is a good point about why everyone is so pissed about this now. When I made my initial comment on this thread I had no idea it was a "Glamour" Women of the year award. It all makes a lot more sense now.
I am as progressive as they come and am very happy with the great strides forward lately with the acceptance of trans-gendered people.
I had never heard of Bruce Jenner before she identified as Caitlyn. All I have to go by is some of the dumb shit I've heard her say since. I'm not going to track down all the dumb shit she has said but I will leave you with this.
Lol, hey, I never said that she's perfect! I just support her because she is working to bring attention and acceptance to the transgendered community with a focus on youth, and it's working (fwiw, the people in that community who have their knickers in a knot over her advocating for them are very short-sighted IMO). I'm not about to stand up and defend every little thing she says. I do think that a transgenedered person voting Republican is ridiculous... But then, I think any woman voting Republican is pretty ridiculous too, so..... That doesn't change anything that I've said on the subject so far.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
how bout this guy? chris beck/kristin beck former navy seal he's a badass & 240 times more likeable than bruce bruce is a attention seeking pain in the ass this dude eats olympians for breakfast, yes/no?
You just proved my point Chadwick. Jenner is useful because of her fame. I'm sure this guy you posted about could be or is a great spokesperson, but obviously his lack of fame hasn't taken his message far enough. That fact that fame is often required in order for a cause to be advance does not say anything bad about Caitlyn Jenner. It says something bad about society. Maybe someday society will see the light. Meanwhile, causes need people like Jenner.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Why couldn't it be an award for "Transgender of the Year" instead?
That's interesting. Do transgendered individuals want to be recognized as part of the gender they identify as or do they want to be recognized as being transgendered?
I seem to recall a push for some institutions to install facilities to accommodate transgendered individuals.
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I saw a documentary several years ago that followed some transgender people over a span of a few years....it was really interesting.
I remember one of the couples consisted of a man that had transgendered to a woman and a woman that transgendered to a man. So basically they were man and woman before and after.
I'm for whatever makes people happy....life is too short to be unhappy and discriminated against.
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Maybe they should make a new category. Transgender of the year.
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If a man becomes a transgender woman can he/she then compete against women in athletic competitions?
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She killed someone this year. Regardless of being a man or woman they gave an award for woman of the year to someone that killed someone this year. Whats next, Jared Fogle for father of the year.
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She killed someone this year. Regardless of being a man or woman they gave an award for woman of the year to someone that killed someone this year. Whats next, Jared Fogle for father of the year.
It was an accident. The roads were wet and he (at the time he was still "he") was driving under the posted speed limit.
She killed someone this year. Regardless of being a man or woman they gave an award for woman of the year to someone that killed someone this year. Whats next, Jared Fogle for father of the year.
I just read this.
Racing along the free way with her long hair flowing away in her convertible... she crashed into a car and sent it into the oncoming lane where the woman died in a head on (and who's estate is now being sued for over 18 million... only in America!).
If a man becomes a transgender woman can he/she then compete against women in athletic competitions?
See MMA fighter Fallon Fox A Medical And Scientific Analysis of Transgender MMA Fighters. Do They Have an Advantage? http://fightmedicine.net/uncategorized/a-medical-and-scientific-analysis-of-transgender-mma-fighters-do-they-have-an-advantage The key question is whether Fox, being born a male, has a distinct physical advantage over her genetically female opponents. A cornerstone of muscle physiology is that a muscle strength, or the force it can generate, is directly proportional to its cross sectional area. In other words, bigger muscles can generate stronger forces. Therefore, if Fox had bigger muscles, than theoretically she would be able to generate more force than her opponents. This concept, however, simplifies the biologic make-up of a gender-specific muscle. It’s not just a question of muscle size, but also composition.
A simple equation in physics in Force = Mass x Acceleration. More specifically, the lean muscle mass a person has theoretically can determine how much force and damage they can inflict on their opponent. Genetic males tend to have higher amounts of lean muscle mass, less fat, and more dense bones than their genetic female counterparts. So, if Fox was born a male, then she should be bringing those tools with her into the fight. However, a major part of gender re-assignment surgery is not just the physical act of the surgery itself, but also subsequent hormonal therapy. The effects of this hormonal therapy helps the transgendered male–>female person look more female. In the process, lean muscle mass decreases; total body and muscle fat increases, and bone density decreases. This has been studied in male–>female transgender individuals compared to male controls. After treatment, all of these things the transgender females have less lean muscle mass, more fat, and thinner bones than their male controls. This, however, has not been studied against female controls. The reason being is that medical doctors are performing these studies, not to compare the transgender patients to females, but to study if the hormonal therapy can lead to diseases such as osteoporosis, or thin bones.
Before the 2004 Olympic Games, the International Olympic Committee ruled that transgendered athletes may compete as their re-assigned gender provided they have undergone hormonal therapy for more than 2 years, or the surgery occurred before puberty. The Transgender Athlete Policy has also been adopted by the World Tennis Association, LGPA/PGA and U.S. Track and Field.
She killed someone this year. Regardless of being a man or woman they gave an award for woman of the year to someone that killed someone this year. Whats next, Jared Fogle for father of the year.
It was an accident. The roads were wet and he (at the time he was still "he") was driving under the posted speed limit.
Sheriffs office wanted her charged with manslaughter. DA declined to prosecute. Plus regardless of the end result she killed someone. Not murder, but killed because of her actions yes.
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If a man becomes a transgender woman can he/she then compete against women in athletic competitions?
See MMA fighter Fallon Fox A Medical And Scientific Analysis of Transgender MMA Fighters. Do They Have an Advantage? http://fightmedicine.net/uncategorized/a-medical-and-scientific-analysis-of-transgender-mma-fighters-do-they-have-an-advantage The key question is whether Fox, being born a male, has a distinct physical advantage over her genetically female opponents. A cornerstone of muscle physiology is that a muscle strength, or the force it can generate, is directly proportional to its cross sectional area. In other words, bigger muscles can generate stronger forces. Therefore, if Fox had bigger muscles, than theoretically she would be able to generate more force than her opponents. This concept, however, simplifies the biologic make-up of a gender-specific muscle. It’s not just a question of muscle size, but also composition.
A simple equation in physics in Force = Mass x Acceleration. More specifically, the lean muscle mass a person has theoretically can determine how much force and damage they can inflict on their opponent. Genetic males tend to have higher amounts of lean muscle mass, less fat, and more dense bones than their genetic female counterparts. So, if Fox was born a male, then she should be bringing those tools with her into the fight. However, a major part of gender re-assignment surgery is not just the physical act of the surgery itself, but also subsequent hormonal therapy. The effects of this hormonal therapy helps the transgendered male–>female person look more female. In the process, lean muscle mass decreases; total body and muscle fat increases, and bone density decreases. This has been studied in male–>female transgender individuals compared to male controls. After treatment, all of these things the transgender females have less lean muscle mass, more fat, and thinner bones than their male controls. This, however, has not been studied against female controls. The reason being is that medical doctors are performing these studies, not to compare the transgender patients to females, but to study if the hormonal therapy can lead to diseases such as osteoporosis, or thin bones.
Before the 2004 Olympic Games, the International Olympic Committee ruled that transgendered athletes may compete as their re-assigned gender provided they have undergone hormonal therapy for more than 2 years, or the surgery occurred before puberty. The Transgender Athlete Policy has also been adopted by the World Tennis Association, LGPA/PGA and U.S. Track and Field.
You have seen to leave out an important portion of the document.
However, what is clear is that transgender individuals that underwent surgery after puberty will retain some male features, such as increased height. Male–>Female transgender patients tend to retain more muscle mass than female–>male transgender patients gain, suggesting that some gender-specific attributes remain. Whether effects such as height will prove beneficial in MMA like they do in other sports such as basketball remains to be seen. Another question is if the fighter is completely transgendered. Taking estrogens without castration will leak out testosterone that can maintain muscle mass. Furthermore, how much estrogen is being taken? If it’s not enough, then muscle strength can be closer to male levels.
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I don't think people care that Caitlyn is transgender, the question is why the hell does she deserve any award just because of it, especially any woman of the year type award. Should an award for woman of the year not go to someone like Malala Yousafzai?? That would be way more deserved...
Why couldn't it be an award for "Transgender of the Year" instead?
That's interesting. Do transgendered individuals want to be recognized as part of the gender they identify as or do they want to be recognized as being transgendered?
I seem to recall a push for some institutions to install facilities to accommodate transgendered individuals.
I don't know about all of them, but I know many of them just want to be considered women once they've transitioned or are in the process of transitioning. They feel like MEN or WOMEN (in the wrong bodies until they've transitioned), not like some third gender.
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No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me.
Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.
And for the record... I'm not bothered. Each to their own- provided they aren't impacting others in a negative way.
I think Jenner being their Woman of the Year is one of the few times they actually picked someone for a decent reason. That doesn't change the fact that people are suddenly getting mad about the choice just because it's a transgendered person. I think it's a great example of why people like Jenner actually need to remain in the spotlight. It's not like Joe-Schmoe-Transgendered from Queens or Little Rock is going to be able to turn this important issue into something people are actually talking about and debating. But still people complain that Jenner is famous, blah blah. Errrr..... makes no sense, you know? It often takes a famous person to bring issues that need attention to the forefront. There are TONS of examples of this.... No one minded until it was a transgendered person. It just pissed me off. Some actually believe that she did it as a publicity stunt. Became a woman for publicity. I mean fuck. Come on.
I am as progressive as they come and am very happy with the great strides forward lately with the acceptance of trans-gendered people.
I had never heard of Bruce Jenner before she identified as Caitlyn. All I have to go by is some of the dumb shit I've heard her say since. I'm not going to track down all the dumb shit she has said but I will leave you with this.
http://www.newnownext.com/caitlyn-jenner-im-voting-republican-in-2016/11/2015/
how bout this guy?
chris beck/kristin beck
former navy seal
he's a badass
& 240 times more likeable than bruce
bruce is a attention seeking pain in the ass
this dude eats olympians for breakfast, yes/no?
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I seem to recall a push for some institutions to install facilities to accommodate transgendered individuals.
Godfather.
i dont care if you have womanly attributes
if it hangs God meant for you to be what
functionally works properly a bloke!!!!!...
I remember one of the couples consisted of a man that had transgendered to a woman and a woman that transgendered to a man. So basically they were man and woman before and after.
I'm for whatever makes people happy....life is too short to be unhappy and discriminated against.
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The roads were wet and he (at the time he was still "he") was driving under the posted speed limit.
Racing along the free way with her long hair flowing away in her convertible... she crashed into a car and sent it into the oncoming lane where the woman died in a head on (and who's estate is now being sued for over 18 million... only in America!).
It's official... Bruce is an idiot.
A Medical And Scientific Analysis of Transgender MMA Fighters. Do They Have an Advantage?
http://fightmedicine.net/uncategorized/a-medical-and-scientific-analysis-of-transgender-mma-fighters-do-they-have-an-advantage
The key question is whether Fox, being born a male, has a distinct physical advantage over her genetically female opponents. A cornerstone of muscle physiology is that a muscle strength, or the force it can generate, is directly proportional to its cross sectional area. In other words, bigger muscles can generate stronger forces. Therefore, if Fox had bigger muscles, than theoretically she would be able to generate more force than her opponents. This concept, however, simplifies the biologic make-up of a gender-specific muscle. It’s not just a question of muscle size, but also composition.
A simple equation in physics in Force = Mass x Acceleration. More specifically, the lean muscle mass a person has theoretically can determine how much force and damage they can inflict on their opponent. Genetic males tend to have higher amounts of lean muscle mass, less fat, and more dense bones than their genetic female counterparts. So, if Fox was born a male, then she should be bringing those tools with her into the fight. However, a major part of gender re-assignment surgery is not just the physical act of the surgery itself, but also subsequent hormonal therapy. The effects of this hormonal therapy helps the transgendered male–>female person look more female. In the process, lean muscle mass decreases; total body and muscle fat increases, and bone density decreases. This has been studied in male–>female transgender individuals compared to male controls. After treatment, all of these things the transgender females have less lean muscle mass, more fat, and thinner bones than their male controls. This, however, has not been studied against female controls. The reason being is that medical doctors are performing these studies, not to compare the transgender patients to females, but to study if the hormonal therapy can lead to diseases such as osteoporosis, or thin bones.
Before the 2004 Olympic Games, the International Olympic Committee ruled that transgendered athletes may compete as their re-assigned gender provided they have undergone hormonal therapy for more than 2 years, or the surgery occurred before puberty. The Transgender Athlete Policy has also been adopted by the World Tennis Association, LGPA/PGA and U.S. Track and Field.
Fuckus rules all
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However, what is clear is that transgender individuals that underwent surgery after puberty will retain some male features, such as increased height. Male–>Female transgender patients tend to retain more muscle mass than female–>male transgender patients gain, suggesting that some gender-specific attributes remain. Whether effects such as height will prove beneficial in MMA like they do in other sports such as basketball remains to be seen. Another question is if the fighter is completely transgendered. Taking estrogens without castration will leak out testosterone that can maintain muscle mass. Furthermore, how much estrogen is being taken? If it’s not enough, then muscle strength can be closer to male levels.
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