Jenner Woman of the Year

PJ_Soul

Who Princess said:

I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.

You bring up a good point.
No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me.
Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Who Princess said:

I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.

You bring up a good point.
No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me.
Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.

I think it speaks more to the deliberate attempt at garnering publicity.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Who Princess said:

I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.

You bring up a good point.
No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me.
Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.

I think it speaks more to the deliberate attempt at garnering publicity.

On Jenner's part? She has had publicity for decades as a man. It only started really bothering people when she came out as transgendered.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Who Princess said:

I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.

You bring up a good point.
No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me.
Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.

I think it speaks more to the deliberate attempt at garnering publicity.

On Jenner's part? She has had publicity for decades as a man. It only started really bothering people when she came out as transgendered.

On the magazine's part.

And for the record... I'm not bothered. Each to their own- provided they aren't impacting others in a negative way.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Who Princess said:

I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.

You bring up a good point.
No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me.
Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.

I think it speaks more to the deliberate attempt at garnering publicity.

On Jenner's part? She has had publicity for decades as a man. It only started really bothering people when she came out as transgendered.

On the magazine's part.

And for the record... I'm not bothered. Each to their own- provided they aren't impacting others in a negative way.

Well, the magazine is just chugging along doing what any magazine is supposed to do I guess.
I think Jenner being their Woman of the Year is one of the few times they actually picked someone for a decent reason. That doesn't change the fact that people are suddenly getting mad about the choice just because it's a transgendered person. I think it's a great example of why people like Jenner actually need to remain in the spotlight. It's not like Joe-Schmoe-Transgendered from Queens or Little Rock is going to be able to turn this important issue into something people are actually talking about and debating. But still people complain that Jenner is famous, blah blah. Errrr..... makes no sense, you know? It often takes a famous person to bring issues that need attention to the forefront. There are TONS of examples of this.... No one minded until it was a transgendered person. It just pissed me off. Some actually believe that she did it as a publicity stunt. Became a woman for publicity. I mean fuck. Come on.

dignin

PJ_Soul said:

Who Princess said:

I'll admit that I couldn't tell you who Glamour chose as Woman of the Year last year (or any other year), so Caitlyn definitely has people talking and learning. When people learn, it's a good thing.

You bring up a good point.
No one gave a fuck who was chosen before.... now all of sudden people care? That suggests something to me.
Do people even know who else has held the spot in past years?? People like Christina Aguilera, Victoria Beckham, Lady Gaga, Selena Fucking Gomez FFS. And NOW people are complaining, when the person chosen is making a concerted effort towards equality and acceptance for people who struggle but happens to be transgendered?? What a load of crap.

That is a good point about why everyone is so pissed about this now. When I made my initial comment on this thread I had no idea it was a "Glamour" Women of the year award. It all makes a lot more sense now.

I am as progressive as they come and am very happy with the great strides forward lately with the acceptance of trans-gendered people.

I had never heard of Bruce Jenner before she identified as Caitlyn. All I have to go by is some of the dumb shit I've heard her say since. I'm not going to track down all the dumb shit she has said but I will leave you with this.

http://www.newnownext.com/caitlyn-jenner-im-voting-republican-in-2016/11/2015/

PJ_Soul

Lol, hey, I never said that she's perfect! I just support her because she is working to bring attention and acceptance to the transgendered community with a focus on youth, and it's working (fwiw, the people in that community who have their knickers in a knot over her advocating for them are very short-sighted IMO). I'm not about to stand up and defend every little thing she says. I do think that a transgenedered person voting Republican is ridiculous... But then, I think any woman voting Republican is pretty ridiculous too, so..... That doesn't change anything that I've said on the subject so far.

chadwick

how bout this guy?
chris beck/kristin beck
former navy seal
he's a badass
& 240 times more likeable than bruce
bruce is a attention seeking pain in the ass
this dude eats olympians for breakfast, yes/no?

PJ_Soul

You just proved my point Chadwick. Jenner is useful because of her fame. I'm sure this guy you posted about could be or is a great spokesperson, but obviously his lack of fame hasn't taken his message far enough. That fact that fame is often required in order for a cause to be advance does not say anything bad about Caitlyn Jenner. It says something bad about society. Maybe someday society will see the light. Meanwhile, causes need people like Jenner.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Why couldn't it be an award for "Transgender of the Year" instead?

dudeman

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Why couldn't it be an award for "Transgender of the Year" instead?

That's interesting. Do transgendered individuals want to be recognized as part of the gender they identify as or do they want to be recognized as being transgendered?

I seem to recall a push for some institutions to install facilities to accommodate transgendered individuals.

Godfather.

woman of the year ???? HAHHAHHAHHAHA !!!!!!! he's a male ....but not a man by any means anymore.

Godfather.

JWPearl

disgusting
i dont care if you have womanly attributes
if it hangs God meant for you to be what
functionally works properly a bloke!!!!!...

Gern Blansten

I saw a documentary several years ago that followed some transgender people over a span of a few years....it was really interesting.

I remember one of the couples consisted of a man that had transgendered to a woman and a woman that transgendered to a man. So basically they were man and woman before and after.

I'm for whatever makes people happy....life is too short to be unhappy and discriminated against.

Gern Blansten

JWPearl said:

disgusting
i dont care if you have womanly attributes
if it hangs God meant for you to be what
functionally works properly a bloke!!!!!...

So God meant for them to be transgender right?

Bentleyspop

JWPearl said:

disgusting
i dont care if you have womanly attributes
if it hangs God meant for you to be what
functionally works properly a bloke!!!!!...

I never understand some people's extreme level of fear, hate, and ignorance

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Bentleyspop said:

JWPearl said:

disgusting
i dont care if you have womanly attributes
if it hangs God meant for you to be what
functionally works properly a bloke!!!!!...

I never understand some people's extreme level of fear, hate, and ignorance

Can you clarify what you mean by ignorance?

Ignorance like believing in things like Santa Claus, fairies, magical gods... or ignorance like looking down at other people?

HughFreakingDillon

chadwick said:

im not gonna refer to him as she or caitlyn. he is bruce jenner

why? my real name isn't Hugh but you call me that.

Dirtie_Frank

Maybe they should make a new category. Transgender of the year.

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

JWPearl said:

disgusting
i dont care if you have womanly attributes
if it hangs God meant for you to be what
functionally works properly a bloke!!!!!...

So God meant for them to be transgender right?

BAZINGA