I'm pulling for your boy here.If he gets the nom,you are paving the way for a huge Win in the general for the right.But I think he gets smoked both out west and in the south.
Look further west young man!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I'm pulling for your boy here.If he gets the nom,you are paving the way for a huge Win in the general for the right.But I think he gets smoked both out west and in the south.
You think Trump can beat Bernie? Ayatollah Cruz? You are stuck in the 50s lol
I do find it interesting how after the 1st debate everyone was cheering how well all the dem candidates were "getting along and supporting each other" and that the party was so happy and care-beary. Not so much now!
I do find it interesting how after the 1st debate everyone was cheering how well all the dem candidates were "getting along and supporting each other" and that the party was so happy and care-beary. Not so much now!
I personally cringe every time I hear Sanders say he agrees with Secretary Clinton. It's like nails on a chalkboard. Also, she is under investigation by the FBI and that should matter in this campaign. Not in the fall when it is too late and she is the nominee. NOW.
I do find it interesting how after the 1st debate everyone was cheering how well all the dem candidates were "getting along and supporting each other" and that the party was so happy and care-beary. Not so much now!
I personally cringe every time I hear Sanders say he agrees with Secretary Clinton. It's like nails on a chalkboard. Also, she is under investigation by the FBI and that should matter in this campaign. Not in the fall when it is too late and she is the nominee. NOW.
I'll agree with you there. I may not agree with Bernie's ideology, but at least he seems like a man of conviction. Hillary is just another "whatever I gotta say to get into the White House" candidate with no morals or ethics to get in her way.
Make no mistake: That’s the point of this kind of messaging. To discourage, dismay, and dishearten, in the wake of something that should feel really positive for Sanders supporters. Reality check: The system is bigger than you, and you can’t change it, so go home. I have no clue if Timothy McBride has any affiliation or even affection for Hillary Clinton, and he was certainly not alone in advancing this talking point. (Update: Surprise, surprise, the two are connected.) What I do know is that he tweeted these statistics out last night and again this morning, and whatever his intentions—and those like him—Clinton herself could not have written a better media script.
So what’s happening here? Are those delegate counts right?
Well, no—McBride’s math is wrong, but I’m assuming that wasn’t a malicious mistake. The actual count is 394-42.
So technically, yes, the count is close to accurate. He’s not overtly lying. But are they illustrative of some critical, insurmountable problem for Sanders? Not at all. Are they even relevant to the primary race? Barely. Certainly not now, and probably not ever. Are these messages deceptive, even subtly? Yes. Absolutely. And they’re propagated by people who are withholding the full story in the hopes that people like you and me are too stupid and complacent to find out on our own.
McBride’s sneaky tactic is to count “Superdelegates,” which is how he arrives at his imbalanced total. Accept the numbers blindly, and you might feel an impulse toward panic. My message to you: Chill. It’s a clever trick, but a silly one, and it won’t affect anything. To counter this narrative, let’s examine the political reality behind Superdelegates, and explain how they really work, Q&A style.
The issue with the Super Delegates to me isn't the count. It's the almost totality of party power brokers lining up with Clinton. It's all side deals and handshakes behind the scenes.
Are you guys not seeing this? Why in this forum do you not see this? Vaccuum affirmation...
Feel the Bern
Bids are coming in on black people.
Money is changing hands to the purveyor of black vote.
Fried chicken or Vegan?
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Things are changing. You can feel it. I'm totally confident this is happening. Sure, there are plenty of people who are afraid to put their feet in the water but those who do know it feels right. You can't stop that. It's happening and it's about time. The energy, passion and curiosity of youth, the wisdom of age, the coming together of all kinds of people. You can't beat that.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I'm pulling for your boy here.If he gets the nom,you are paving the way for a huge Win in the general for the right.But I think he gets smoked both out west and in the south.
You think Trump can beat Bernie? Ayatollah Cruz? You are stuck in the 50s lol
Yes,I think Trump would take him easily.Cruz is a far right pandering obstructionist and a douche,he may have issues with beating who ever is put out front by the lefties. Gambsy not stuck in the 50s at all.I am A realist.The Sanders dream may sound utopian to many of you but his message will not resonate with more than half the country.Like Cruz being too far right Bernie is way too far left .
I'm pulling for your boy here.If he gets the nom,you are paving the way for a huge Win in the general for the right.But I think he gets smoked both out west and in the south.
I thought you were an independent?
I very much am Dig.The extreme far right and left don't float my boat.I was always a Jeb guy (He was a very good Gov for my state) out of the current field,but I'm intrigued by Kasichs moderate stance also,and hoping his numbers continue to rise. Bloombergs possible entering of the race is also something that I'm keeping an eye on. I don't have a perfect candidate yet.One who is Fiscally to the right and socially liberal on things like Abortion,Gay Marraige,pot, etc while not giving away the farm with wasted entitlements.
I'm pulling for your boy here.If he gets the nom,you are paving the way for a huge Win in the general for the right.But I think he gets smoked both out west and in the south.
You think Trump can beat Bernie? Ayatollah Cruz? You are stuck in the 50s lol
Yes,I think Trump would take him easily.Cruz is a far right pandering obstructionist and a douche,he may have issues with beating who ever is put out front by the lefties. Gambsy not stuck in the 50s at all.I am A realist.The Sanders dream may sound utopian to many of you but his message will not resonate with more than half the country.Like Cruz being too far right Bernie is way too far left .
And many said this about Obama yet 8 years later gays serve in military. They can marry. We aren't spending a trillion dollars on war. People cN buy affordable healthcare. New supreme court member votes on people's behalf. Unemployment is back. Obama being black yet more intelligent than old godly dumb ass that was in there prior and challenging old white racists perceptions just icing on the cake. Yes I threw that in though didn't fit.
Now agree some of Bernie's proposals are tough to swallow but others are great. Campaign finance being one. So we can dream to have a more progressive society. We are slowly moving that way to the chagrin of many that loved the 50's.
Are you guys not seeing this? Why in this forum do you not see this? Vaccuum affirmation...
Feel the Bern
Bids are coming in on black people.
Money is changing hands to the purveyor of black vote.
Fried chicken or Vegan?
I really can't tell if this is racist or not... Perhaps if your posts were intelligible I could decide for myself.
Anyways it speaks volumes toward racism that you are fine with proven anti-semiteTed Nugent's endorsement of Trump but Sharpton get's your panties twisted.
If Bernie gets the nod he will win in a landslide. Once he gets the opportunity to get his message out (which is vastly different than what Faux News is saying) people will start to "get it."
Plus...if Bernie is nominated I would bet $1mil that his VP will either be Clinton or Warren. Landslide
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I gotta say ... I don't think Sanders has got a hope in hell but have been impressed by his campaign so far ... sadly for him - NH or Vermont is not like the rest of the US and I don't really think the establishment will let him win ...
It is funny to hear people call him extreme left ... hahaha ... just goes to show how far right americans are vs. the rest of the world ...
If Bernie gets the nod he will win in a landslide. Once he gets the opportunity to get his message out (which is vastly different than what Faux News is saying) people will start to "get it."
Plus...if Bernie is nominated I would bet $1mil that his VP will either be Clinton or Warren. Landslide
I think the best case scenario Bernie supporters should be hoping for is a narrow win. I don't see a landslide putting him in office, particularly at the top of the ticket.
If Bernie gets the nod he will win in a landslide. Once he gets the opportunity to get his message out (which is vastly different than what Faux News is saying) people will start to "get it."
Plus...if Bernie is nominated I would bet $1mil that his VP will either be Clinton or Warren. Landslide
I think the best case scenario Bernie supporters should be hoping for is a narrow win. I don't see a landslide putting him in office, particularly at the top of the ticket.
Disagree...the minority and new voter numbers will be huge this year.
Obama was elected twice....very easily the second time.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
If Bernie gets the nod he will win in a landslide. Once he gets the opportunity to get his message out (which is vastly different than what Faux News is saying) people will start to "get it."
Plus...if Bernie is nominated I would bet $1mil that his VP will either be Clinton or Warren. Landslide
I think the best case scenario Bernie supporters should be hoping for is a narrow win. I don't see a landslide putting him in office, particularly at the top of the ticket.
Disagree...the minority and new voter numbers will be huge this year.
Obama was elected twice....very easily the second time.
Just not sure as many will cine out nationally for Bernie. Hope I'm wrong.
If Bernie gets the nod he will win in a landslide. Once he gets the opportunity to get his message out (which is vastly different than what Faux News is saying) people will start to "get it."
Plus...if Bernie is nominated I would bet $1mil that his VP will either be Clinton or Warren. Landslide
I think the best case scenario Bernie supporters should be hoping for is a narrow win. I don't see a landslide putting him in office, particularly at the top of the ticket.
Disagree...the minority and new voter numbers will be huge this year.
Obama was elected twice....very easily the second time.
Obama had a bigger electoral margin in 2008 than in 2012. Plus...Bernie Sanders the candidate is not Barack Obama the candidate.
You could be right of course. This is one of those things that time will tell. But...I would be SHOCKED if he were elected in a landslide. Shocked.
Gern,your optimism about Bernie is both heartwarming and very delusional.But glad you are passionate none the less.You guys need to look outside your bubble.Its not going to happen.
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The momentum is happening. It's building. And why? Because that's what is great about people when they start to wake up- good things happen. Changes for the better happen. To not see that is ultimate pessimism and we don't need the luxury of pessimism.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Gern,your optimism about Bernie is both heartwarming and very delusional.But glad you are passionate none the less.You guys need to look outside your bubble.Its not going to happen.
Some red folks won't be swayed regardless. But the bubble you're talking about is your own.
What people are forgetting is that Obama was "unelectable", "inexperienced", "can't win". How easy and quick we are to dictate the future when, from experience, we know exactly CAN happen.
Gern,your optimism about Bernie is both heartwarming and very delusional.But glad you are passionate none the less.You guys need to look outside your bubble.Its not going to happen.
Some red folks won't be swayed regardless. But the bubble you're talking about is your own.
Ok,free.When He dosent even get the nomination,I will grab some popcorn,sit back and enjoy reading All the whiney posts from the "how did this happen" Democratic socialist crowd.
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You are stuck in the 50s lol
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Wow. How insignificant a person and such disrespect to the black voter...
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Oh no, you might be thinking, look at those delegate totals! He’s getting killed! The New Hampshire primary is meaningless! He didn’t even really win! On the Sanders Reddit page this morning, users were asking whether the whole primary process was a Sisyphean task, and if victory was impossible.
Make no mistake: That’s the point of this kind of messaging. To discourage, dismay, and dishearten, in the wake of something that should feel really positive for Sanders supporters. Reality check: The system is bigger than you, and you can’t change it, so go home.
I have no clue if Timothy McBride has any affiliation or even affection for Hillary Clinton, and he was certainly not alone in advancing this talking point. (Update: Surprise, surprise, the two are connected.) What I do know is that he tweeted these statistics out last night and again this morning, and whatever his intentions—and those like him—Clinton herself could not have written a better media script.
So what’s happening here? Are those delegate counts right?
Well, no—McBride’s math is wrong, but I’m assuming that wasn’t a malicious mistake. The actual count is 394-42.
So technically, yes, the count is close to accurate. He’s not overtly lying. But are they illustrative of some critical, insurmountable problem for Sanders? Not at all. Are they even relevant to the primary race? Barely. Certainly not now, and probably not ever. Are these messages deceptive, even subtly? Yes. Absolutely. And they’re propagated by people who are withholding the full story in the hopes that people like you and me are too stupid and complacent to find out on our own.
McBride’s sneaky tactic is to count “Superdelegates,” which is how he arrives at his imbalanced total. Accept the numbers blindly, and you might feel an impulse toward panic. My message to you: Chill. It’s a clever trick, but a silly one, and it won’t affect anything. To counter this narrative, let’s examine the political reality behind Superdelegates, and explain how they really work, Q&A style.
LIVEFOOTSTEPS.ORG/USER/?USR=435
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Bernie Sanders
Are you guys not seeing this?
Why in this forum do you not see this?
Vaccuum affirmation...
Feel the Bern
Bids are coming in on black people.
Money is changing hands to the purveyor of black vote.
Fried chicken or Vegan?
Gambsy not stuck in the 50s at all.I am A realist.The Sanders dream may sound utopian to many of you but his message will not resonate with more than half the country.Like Cruz being too far right Bernie is way too far left .
Bloombergs possible entering of the race is also something that I'm keeping an eye on.
I don't have a perfect candidate yet.One who is Fiscally to the right and socially liberal on things like Abortion,Gay Marraige,pot, etc while not giving away the farm with wasted entitlements.
Now agree some of Bernie's proposals are tough to swallow but others are great. Campaign finance being one. So we can dream to have a more progressive society. We are slowly moving that way to the chagrin of many that loved the 50's.
Perhaps if your posts were intelligible I could decide for myself.
Anyways it speaks volumes toward racism that you are fine with proven anti-semiteTed Nugent's endorsement of Trump but Sharpton get's your panties twisted.
Plus...if Bernie is nominated I would bet $1mil that his VP will either be Clinton or Warren. Landslide
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
It is funny to hear people call him extreme left ... hahaha ... just goes to show how far right americans are vs. the rest of the world ...
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Obama was elected twice....very easily the second time.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
You could be right of course. This is one of those things that time will tell. But...I would be SHOCKED if he were elected in a landslide. Shocked.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
What people are forgetting is that Obama was "unelectable", "inexperienced", "can't win". How easy and quick we are to dictate the future when, from experience, we know exactly CAN happen.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/