Canadian Politics Redux

Original_Shifty · February 26

Did I just read in the Globe and Mail that Alberta is building 2 forced treatment institutions for addictions? What's next, building institutions to "straighten out" gays and lesbians?

Zod · February 26

Original_Shifty said:

Did I just read in the Globe and Mail that Alberta is building 2 forced treatment institutions for addictions? What's next, building institutions to "straighten out" gays and lesbians?

That was a campaign thing here in BC too. There's a percentage of the drug addicted/mental health/population what wreaks havoc on the civilian population. Constant thefts, physical attacks etc.... Courts are a revolving door. So this is the new thing.

Of course we don't have enough facilities for people who voluntarily want treatment, but I do understand the goal. Try to get the worst of the worst off the streets so they're no long a threat to public or themselves. Right now, it's the inmates running the asylum (can do whatever they want) so I can see how bringing back involuntary stuff is making a comeback.

HughFreakingDillon · February 26

I haven’t read the article and don’t know the specifics of how it’s carried out, but if it’s simply a mechanism to keep addicts out of prison and into treatment instead, I’m for it. But if they can just toss anyone they want off the street into treatment, that will have an extremely low success rate, so I don’t see the point. And against your human rights I would think.

I don’t think we should be equating sexual orientation with drug addiction. Conversion therapy and addiction treatment are not in the same universe.

mickeyrat · February 26

unless the addict wants to get help this is a band aid measure only.

jail? we bide our time, and usually the first stop after release is the bar, convenience store or the dealer.

this will be no different.

Parksy · February 26

Would need to know more about what is being proposed... however as it was mentioned earlier... if this was part of say a sentence that avoided jail... I'm all for it.

A very intriguing journalism report was conducted last year by the CBC in Belleville. It took some conferring, but CBC was granted unrestricted access to a community police officer in Belleville. The officer was granted authorization to say and report anything... which is uncharacteristic.

The report showed perspectives from police, businesses, community housing, addicts, homeless, and anyone amongst the public that wanted their voice heard.

After hearing EVERYONE... the problem was crystal clear.... and the answer was unanimous.... 'the system is broken.'

One part of it I found interesting was listening to the officer and the business owners. One business owner in particular had contacted 9-1-1 about 6 times in one week and to the best of my recollection I think a person unfortunately passed away due to OD behind her store. Amongst that, she had folks living behind her store, to go along with a lot of theft, and customers being harassed.

So you have a handful of laws being broken with regards to the business and when they call the cops, the cops show, they do their thing, but when the perpetrator is brought to JP (Justice of the Peace) the JP says "this person is an addict, they have no place to live... what exactly do you want the justice system to do?" The thought process for a lot of the judges is that they couldn't find these people criminally responsible when they were hooked on drugs. Not to mention.. the back log of cases in the system due to a lack of judges.

With THAT scenario in mind... given the small amount of options... allowing these folks back on the streets does the public no good. Throwing them in jail does the drug addict no good. Having a third option to force them into rehab seems reasonable to me.

That said... every thing is based on the totality of the circumstances.

PJ_Soul · February 26

If only throwing people into rehab under the right circumstances were possible. As far as I can tell, not only are the laws not adequate to make that possible, but there is also a woefully inadequate rehab system available to use, nor are there enough people to staff a better one. Yeah, the system is broken.

DarthMaeglin · February 27

Election day in Ontario, personally I think the appropriate outcome would be a reduced majority. Give him a spanking for the unnecessary election but would still leave the PCs with a strong mandate.

HughFreakingDillon · February 27

I’m curious…with the US threatening our sovereignty and enacting harsh economic tariffs on us…where is that group of “true patriots”…you know, that CONVOY for Canadian FREEDOM with their big trucks and loud horns.

Where are these freedom fighters now?

Original_Shifty · February 27

HughFreakingDillon said:

I’m curious…with the US threatening our sovereignty and enacting harsh economic tariffs on us…where is that group of “true patriots”…you know, that CONVOY for Canadian FREEDOM with their big trucks and loud horns.

Where are these freedom fighters now?

They are the ones who are wanting to become the 51st state.

Parksy · February 27

PJ_Soul said:

If only throwing people into rehab under the right circumstances were possible. As far as I can tell, not only are the laws not adequate to make that possible, but there is also a woefully inadequate rehab system available to use, nor are there enough people to staff a better one. Yeah, the system is broken.

At the end of the day... sad to say but money (funding) is the general requirement here. And no this is not letting Trudeau off the hook... but his opponent (Pierre) is saying he'll fix everything. Homelessness, fentanyl crisis, and crime. Well.... how? This is the brick wall I run into with the Conservative Party so often. They're known as the party of fiscal responsibility and as such generally cut services. But if we all seem to acknowledge that funding is required... how is he going to be able to solve this crisis and balance the books? Legit question is anyone here is a Conservative and has seen this magical plan.

Just to be fair and this is off topic... but to throw some shade at Trudeau as well... this 2.3Billion rail plan connecting Montreal and Toronto... while GOOD (under the right circumstances) ... I don't think we're in a state of the right circumstances. That $$$ could be spread elsewhere. IMO

Parksy · February 27

HughFreakingDillon said:

I’m curious…with the US threatening our sovereignty and enacting harsh economic tariffs on us…where is that group of “true patriots”…you know, that CONVOY for Canadian FREEDOM with their big trucks and loud horns.

Where are these freedom fighters now?

my personal opinion... they never understood what our freedoms actually were. They never understood what Canada actually is.

This is the same group who claimed Trudeau was a tyrannical dictator while they parked a truck in front of parliament that said 'fuck trudeau' for 3 weeks .... never got shot for it. never got jailed for it. Trudeau laughs this shit off. LOL Wonder how that would fly with Mr. Trump.

To that point... I would absolutely LOVE to see the likes of Mr. Don Cherry, Bobby Orr, and Mr. Gretzky (true Canadians ya know eh) explain how and why in the fuck they support Trump.

PJ_Soul · February 27

Parksy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I’m curious…with the US threatening our sovereignty and enacting harsh economic tariffs on us…where is that group of “true patriots”…you know, that CONVOY for Canadian FREEDOM with their big trucks and loud horns.

Where are these freedom fighters now?

my personal opinion... they never understood what our freedoms actually were. They never understood what Canada actually is.

This is the same group who claimed Trudeau was a tyrannical dictator while they parked a truck in front of parliament that said 'fuck trudeau' for 3 weeks .... never got shot for it. never got jailed for it. Trudeau laughs this shit off. LOL Wonder how that would fly with Mr. Trump.

To that point... I would absolutely LOVE to see the likes of Mr. Don Cherry, Bobby Orr, and Mr. Gretzky (true Canadians ya know eh) explain how and why in the fuck they support Trump.

I totally agree. They had absolutely no clue what they were actually protesting. They seemed to just want to be mad in general, lol. That's why I always called them a pack of morons.

mickeyrat · February 27

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I’m curious…with the US threatening our sovereignty and enacting harsh economic tariffs on us…where is that group of “true patriots”…you know, that CONVOY for Canadian FREEDOM with their big trucks and loud horns.

Where are these freedom fighters now?

my personal opinion... they never understood what our freedoms actually were. They never understood what Canada actually is.

This is the same group who claimed Trudeau was a tyrannical dictator while they parked a truck in front of parliament that said 'fuck trudeau' for 3 weeks .... never got shot for it. never got jailed for it. Trudeau laughs this shit off. LOL Wonder how that would fly with Mr. Trump.

To that point... I would absolutely LOVE to see the likes of Mr. Don Cherry, Bobby Orr, and Mr. Gretzky (true Canadians ya know eh) explain how and why in the fuck they support Trump.

I totally agree. They had absolutely no clue what they were actually protesting. They seemed to just want to be mad in general, lol. That's why I always called them a pack of morons.

sorry to say this was another export of ours. they were influenced by folks here trying to organize somethig similar. here, it failed miserably. which suggest your owner operators were better positioned financially to accomplish this than many here.

DarthMaeglin · February 27

HughFreakingDillon said:

I’m curious…with the US threatening our sovereignty and enacting harsh economic tariffs on us…where is that group of “true patriots”…you know, that CONVOY for Canadian FREEDOM with their big trucks and loud horns.

Where are these freedom fighters now?

Justin’s message got through to them via the prison sentences.

Do you seriously want to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them or something else?

DarthMaeglin · February 27

No one should have to justify their friendships to anyone but themselves, full stop.

Good to see McCarthyism alive and well in Canada.

HughFreakingDillon · February 27

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I’m curious…with the US threatening our sovereignty and enacting harsh economic tariffs on us…where is that group of “true patriots”…you know, that CONVOY for Canadian FREEDOM with their big trucks and loud horns.

Where are these freedom fighters now?

Justin’s message got through to them via the prison sentences.

Do you seriously want to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them or something else?

obviously pointing out that they don't REALLY give a shit about "freedom in Canada" at all.

HughFreakingDillon · February 27

DarthMaeglin said:

No one should have to justify their friendships to anyone but themselves, full stop.

Good to see McCarthyism alive and well in Canada.

no clue what the friendship comment means.

DarthMaeglin · February 27

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

No one should have to justify their friendships to anyone but themselves, full stop.

Good to see McCarthyism alive and well in Canada.

no clue what the friendship comment means.

People are being required to justify their friendship or association with Trump (Gretzky most notably) where the politics has nothing (or very little) to do with the relationship.

Maybe you didn’t say it but others have.

DarthMaeglin · February 27

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I’m curious…with the US threatening our sovereignty and enacting harsh economic tariffs on us…where is that group of “true patriots”…you know, that CONVOY for Canadian FREEDOM with their big trucks and loud horns.

Where are these freedom fighters now?

Justin’s message got through to them via the prison sentences.

Do you seriously want to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them or something else?

obviously pointing out that they don't REALLY give a shit about "freedom in Canada" at all.

Or maybe they can’t be bothered standing with their fellow citizens who continue to shit on them to this day?

If I know I’m not welcome somewhere I don’t usually frequent the place or group.

dignin · February 28

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

No one should have to justify their friendships to anyone but themselves, full stop.

Good to see McCarthyism alive and well in Canada.

no clue what the friendship comment means.

People are being required to justify their friendship or association with Trump (Gretzky most notably) where the politics has nothing (or very little) to do with the relationship.

Maybe you didn’t say it but others have.

Bull fucking shit.

If those fucks don't come out against Trump in support of their country they are traitors.

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