Canadian Politics Redux

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't care what trump says about him. He's using the same rhetoric and tactics that trump uses. There's no denying this. 

I don’t see it, but I’ll say again that Justin is far more similar to Trump, but everyone refuses to see it, and I really don’t understand why. The only explanation that’s ever been given is Justin speaks nicely, which misses the point.

everyone refuses to see it, or it's just not there? if "everyone" disagrees with one person, it's far more likely "everyone" is correct. 

HughFreakingDillon

I can link any number of articles and editorials full of facts and similarities, but I honestly believe that would be a waste of my time. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't care what trump says about him. He's using the same rhetoric and tactics that trump uses. There's no denying this. 

I don’t see it, but I’ll say again that Justin is far more similar to Trump, but everyone refuses to see it, and I really don’t understand why. The only explanation that’s ever been given is Justin speaks nicely, which misses the point.

everyone refuses to see it, or it's just not there? if "everyone" disagrees with one person, it's far more likely "everyone" is correct. 

Sorry, everyone here.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I can link any number of articles and editorials full of facts and similarities, but I honestly believe that would be a waste of my time. 

Suit yourself, I would love anyone to CLEARLY link Poilievre with Trump.

dignin

I guess it's obvious why Trump hates Trudeau so much, it's because they're so much alike.

Give your head a shake.

HughFreakingDillon

I’m at the point where it’s “do your own homework”, as I firmly believe everything I present will be met with a “taken out of context” or “you read that in (left leaning publication)?”. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

I’m at the point where it’s “do your own homework”, as I firmly believe everything I present will be met with a “taken out of context” or “you read that in (left leaning publication)?”. 

Fair enough, but that’s a two way street whereby everyone has to prove the other person’s point, including you.

So while I go off to research ties and similarities between Poilievre and Trump, will you contemplate Trump and Trudeau’s backgrounds and personality types?

Fucking absurd if you ask me.

DarthMaeglin

Doing my homework I came across some good food for thought for those firmly in the Poilievre-is-Trump camp.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jesse-kline-fords-transition-from-trump-light-to-the-anti-trump

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I’m at the point where it’s “do your own homework”, as I firmly believe everything I present will be met with a “taken out of context” or “you read that in (left leaning publication)?”. 

Fair enough, but that’s a two way street whereby everyone has to prove the other person’s point, including you.

So while I go off to research ties and similarities between Poilievre and Trump, will you contemplate Trump and Trudeau’s backgrounds and personality types?

Fucking absurd if you ask me.

You know, I actually will, cuz it baffles me how this comparison even gets made. 

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

Doing my homework I came across some good food for thought for those firmly in the Poilievre-is-Trump camp.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jesse-kline-fords-transition-from-trump-light-to-the-anti-trump

This opinion piece is proof what exactly? Any writer that uses the term “the left” and also manages to barf out this bigoted trash isn’t really worth listening to: “And although he’s loathed by the type of people who hate anyone who doesn’t ride a bike to the farmers’ market wearing a keffiyeh,”. 

That being said, I honestly don’t recall the Ford/Trump comparison in terms of populism or rhetoric, I more recall it in terms of just outright lying and buffoonery. 

I kind of have to laugh, though, at the insinuations of “the left tried to brand…” like they are the only ones who do it. You have been trying to brand JT as a dictator/trump like, and the only ones who believe that are you, far right loons, and a few bouncy castle/truck operators. 

All politicians attempt to brand their opponents as something. 

HughFreakingDillon

Ok, I completed my first assignment. I’ll admit, this piece gave me something to think about. I’ll noodle and report back. 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/justin-trudeau-is-the-only-one-acting-like-donald-trump

Zod

I mean, I think many of us agree that Trudeau wasn't a great leader and left the country in worse shape than he inherited it.   So much so, that it forced his hand and he had to step down due to his overwhelming unpopularity.   Even then, they chose party before country to prorogue and have a leadership contest, while we're being treated hositally by our neighboring nation.

That being said, Trudeau is on the way out.   I'm not sure at this point how much it matters.    We got frustrated, and he stepped down.  At least we have the option to choose new leadership, something i'm not sure the U.S. will get again.

HughFreakingDillon

Zod said:

I mean, I think many of us agree that Trudeau wasn't a great leader and left the country in worse shape than he inherited it.   So much so, that it forced his hand and he had to step down due to his overwhelming unpopularity.   Even then, they chose party before country to prorogue and have a leadership contest, while we're being treated hositally by our neighboring nation.

That being said, Trudeau is on the way out.   I'm not sure at this point how much it matters.    We got frustrated, and he stepped down.  At least we have the option to choose new leadership, something i'm not sure the U.S. will get again.

I like to give myself a self checkup every once in a while to determine the levels of my own biases. 

DarthMaeglin

Silver-spoon man-child who’s never learned personal responsibility and accountability. Extreme narcissist with a messiah complex. Dismissive of any that disagree and makes claims of fake news.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ok, I completed my first assignment. I’ll admit, this piece gave me something to think about. I’ll noodle and report back. 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/justin-trudeau-is-the-only-one-acting-like-donald-trump

I always figured JT was doing that because he was thinking about relations with China, in terms of diplomacy. I think he knew as well as anyone that the results of the election weren't being debated. He's not delusional. He just didn't want to upset the Chinese pear cart... and that definitely bothered me, as someone who thinks China should actually be sanctioned.

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

Silver-spoon man-child who’s never learned personal responsibility and accountability. Extreme narcissist with a messiah complex. Dismissive of any that disagree and makes claims of fake news.

Yes, we all know who trump is. 

You can’t be a narcissist and express empathy, which he does all the time. If that’s acting, give him an Oscar. 

Never learned responsibility? Where do you get this from? I hardly believe PET was a softy that let his kids run amok. 

Messiah complex? I heard that ad nauseum about Obama too. To some extent it’s probably true. Imagine you keep winning popularity contests, to
the tune of millions of people; one of the nation’s most respected musicians tells the world at his final ever concert that he’s the guy to fix the nation. Anyone might start believing their own hype at that level. I still find him quite humble, to be honest with you. 

A lot of the shit he calls into question is often bias nonsense that he has every right to criticize as he does. I don’t recall him calling critical pieces by legit news sources as misinformation. Only far right rubbish who’s only intent is to smear. 

So much of your description is subjective, and I only hear stuff like that from his harshest critics/opponents. Nearly every person that’s met trump, on the other hand, knows this about him. 

Trump is a boorish bully that just shouts at people who disagree with him. Makes fun of the downtrodden to get dopamine hits from his dope and mean crowd. JT speaks softly and intently to Canadians (remember the daily reassurances during covid? The guy comforted a nation in crisis). That couldn’t be a more stark difference. 

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ok, I completed my first assignment. I’ll admit, this piece gave me something to think about. I’ll noodle and report back. 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/justin-trudeau-is-the-only-one-acting-like-donald-trump

I always figured JT was doing that because he was thinking about relations with China, in terms of diplomacy. I think he knew as well as anyone that the results of the election weren't being debated. He's not delusional. He just didn't want to upset the Chinese pear cart... and that definitely bothered me, as someone who thinks China should actually be sanctioned.

I agree. Canada is in s precarious position when it comes to these things. It’s not like we have a ton of weight to throw around. 

Zod

HughFreakingDillon said:

Zod said:

I mean, I think many of us agree that Trudeau wasn't a great leader and left the country in worse shape than he inherited it.   So much so, that it forced his hand and he had to step down due to his overwhelming unpopularity.   Even then, they chose party before country to prorogue and have a leadership contest, while we're being treated hositally by our neighboring nation.

That being said, Trudeau is on the way out.   I'm not sure at this point how much it matters.    We got frustrated, and he stepped down.  At least we have the option to choose new leadership, something i'm not sure the U.S. will get again.

I like to give myself a self checkup every once in a while to determine the levels of my own biases. 

ok, that sounds like a good life choice.

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Silver-spoon man-child who’s never learned personal responsibility and accountability. Extreme narcissist with a messiah complex. Dismissive of any that disagree and makes claims of fake news.

Yes, we all know who trump is. 

You can’t be a narcissist and express empathy, which he does all the time. If that’s acting, give him an Oscar. 

Never learned responsibility? Where do you get this from? I hardly believe PET was a softy that let his kids run amok. 

Messiah complex? I heard that ad nauseum about Obama too. To some extent it’s probably true. Imagine you keep winning popularity contests, to
the tune of millions of people; one of the nation’s most respected musicians tells the world at his final ever concert that he’s the guy to fix the nation. Anyone might start believing their own hype at that level. I still find him quite humble, to be honest with you. 

A lot of the shit he calls into question is often bias nonsense that he has every right to criticize as he does. I don’t recall him calling critical pieces by legit news sources as misinformation. Only far right rubbish who’s only intent is to smear. 

So much of your description is subjective, and I only hear stuff like that from his harshest critics/opponents. Nearly every person that’s met trump, on the other hand, knows this about him. 

Trump is a boorish bully that just shouts at people who disagree with him. Makes fun of the downtrodden to get dopamine hits from his dope and mean crowd. JT speaks softly and intently to Canadians (remember the daily reassurances during covid? The guy comforted a nation in crisis). That couldn’t be a more stark difference. 

“The story in the Globe & Mail is false.” - Justin Trudeau. Speaks to taking responsibility and accountability, as well as an ease with lying to the electorate.

Yes, I will absolutely agree Trudeau is an actor, far better than I have ever given him credit to have fooled so many so completely. You believe he actually feels empathy, I think he’s an actor.

And I do remember his patronizing daily bullshit sessions during covid. And when he called an election when it was supposedly still raging (telling me the crisis was clearly over), then decided to play tough guy with some rowdy but peaceful protesters. All that really helped unite the country, didn’t it? But you think he saved the country, fine.

HughFreakingDillon

I never said he saved the country. 

“Patronizing daily bullshit sessions”. Full on TDS. Jesus. 

HughFreakingDillon

“He admitted he had asked Wilson-Raybould to revisit her decision on the file, and whether she would be open to such a review. Trudeau claimed she was willing to do so, contradicting her testimony. He also said he wished Wilson-Raybould had told him that she felt contacts from his officials amounted to inappropriate pressure.

Trudeau has also acknowledged that during his Sept. 17 meeting with Wilson-Raybould, he pointed out that he was the MP for Papineau, a riding in Quebec — where SNC-Lavalin is based — but denied he raised that point for partisan interests.”

Before I even got to the next paragraph, my first thought was “he’s just trying to save thousands of Canadian jobs”. One could argue he only cares about those jobs politically; I won’t dispute that. But what do you think he’s (or anyone in that position) going to say when it’s a subjective review and ruling. It’s not like finding fingerprints at the scene of a crime. 

Your standards for him are and have always been absurdly high for a head of state. 

And I suppose this little tidbit isn’t convenient to your narrative:

“He also said while he disagrees with some of Dion's findings, and that he doesn't believe he has anything to apologize for, he takes responsibility "for the mistakes that I made." “