Canadian Politics Redux

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Zod said:
    dignin said:
    Zod said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Zod said:
    That poster isn't wrong, we did have a problem with the uneducated truckers.  They occupied our capital and blocked our border for a period of time.  

    I do find the whole thing tough.  In a tariff war, I think we hurt a lot more than the US hurts.  I think a lot of Canadians and Americans underestimate the impact it will have on us.   It'll slow down exports to the US, which results in layoffs, which results in those people buying less, defaulting on mortgages, and we'd go into a pretty big recession.   Our government spent a lot of money during covid, and our economy is already a bit soft, so we don't have slack to absorb it.   Our government would have to try and spend their way out of it, so even if after spending a few years building infrastructure and finding new trading partners, our national debt would be considerably larger, which makes us more vulnerable, and what not.

    While were the biggest trading partner to the US, the percentages are pretty lopsided.  I think Tariff's create an inflationary problem for the U.S. (or make the current problem even worse), as they pay higher prices for the stuff the import from us, have to pay more to import from elsewhere, or spend a lot on resources to create internal capacity.      Still I think we're looking at a mega recession vs. inflation problem, so I think outcome is a bit lopsided.

    If America decided to invade and take our country.  Most of us our soft.  Our military is small and woefully underfunding.  I think we'd be like one of the first countries to get "annexed" by Germany in WWII.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic, but even when we Canadian say will give hell to the U.S. if they do wrong by us, I don't even think most Canadians realize how bad it could get.  It's why our politicians continue to wait for the U.S. to make the first move, because they don't want to bring this on us, if they don't have too.

    I suppose the question is, how likely do we think the U.S. administration is to do the tariff's .  They're inflation is already creeping back up.   If Trump throws out all these free trade agreements, it will drive up prices in the U.S., and maybe the people that voted for him, but aren't 100% die hard MAGA's revolt when the inflation starts to climb.
    The response to the truckers, wouldn’t, and shouldn’t be, equal to that of an invasion from another country. Come on. 

    It’s like saying we couldn’t handle a rat infestation because we let a few mosquitoes bother us at a bbq. 

    Trump’s tariffs will last as long as the American consumer and business sectors will tolerate it. Then he’ll back off, claiming they worked, while winning nothing in the end. 

    I mean we did let our version of MAGA occupy our capital city for three weeks, plus blocked our borders for a number of days.   The only thing I take offense with is that it did get handled, it just took a bit of time.
    You are exaggerating the blocking of our border (2 border crossings for a short period of time) and the occupation of our capital (a few streets).

    At no point was our democracy in question.
    Sorry, I missed that part of the argument.  Yaj it was an amnoyance, but you're right our demcracy wasn't at risk from it.

    It did make is all embarassed to wear Canadian Flags for a few years :(
    Yeah, it was a real drag to feel shitty about the flag. I hate those people for doing that.

    The real interesting thing for me is how it took Trump in conjunction with the 4 Nations Cup to make me feel all warm and fuzzy about our flag again. I'm a simple man.
  • Hawk123
    Hawk123 Posts: 2,369
    edited February 20
    The 51st state is getting tiring, he’s such a clown. He’s so stupid that it sounds like he’s saying Canada has far lower taxes and stronger security. 


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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,436
    Hawk123 said:
    The 51st state is getting tiring, he’s such a clown. He’s so stupid that it sounds like he’s saying Canada has far lower taxes and stronger security. 


    He’s such a fucking embarrassment.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Hawk123 said:
    The 51st state is getting tiring, he’s such a clown. He’s so stupid that it sounds like he’s saying Canada has far lower taxes and stronger security. 




    He is clearly and repeatedly offering statehood. I get that Canadians don’t trust that offer and think it’s more of a territory offer, but y’all should be playing him at his communication game. Take him up on specifically statehood, those electoral votes and congress reps are worth trillions. The clock is ticking, odds are he will not be able to get a third term, run down the 24 second clock with him with praise and love. 

    Insist on statehood, the reps and votes that go with it, and your current health system if you want it. If he starts to quiver, fight him at his communication game. Say we want to be one with the states but willing to start hostilities if he doesn’t keep his word about statehood (threaten embargoes, ban all travel, troops at the border, etc). It’s all a communication game. Tell everyone you want peace and the offer.

    He is a clown, but his power is unrivaled. Putting down America and Americans is not going to word. Tell him you love the idea. Poker.


    Thankfully he can’t attend the big game tonight. At least take back hockey from us. Please.
  • mickeyrat
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    this isn't poker. this has real life consequences for millions of people, not to mention world markets that would go apeshit if we even quivered at entertaining the thought, whether it was playing with him or not. come on. what a ridiculous idea. 
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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,274
    Hawk123 said:
    The 51st state is getting tiring, he’s such a clown. He’s so stupid that it sounds like he’s saying Canada has far lower taxes and stronger security. 


    Some responsible adult/s NEED to take his keys away from him, before he hurts us all?
  • Parksy
    Parksy Posts: 1,852
    edited February 20
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    The 51st state is getting tiring, he’s such a clown. He’s so stupid that it sounds like he’s saying Canada has far lower taxes and stronger security. 




    He is clearly and repeatedly offering statehood. I get that Canadians don’t trust that offer and think it’s more of a territory offer, but y’all should be playing him at his communication game. Take him up on specifically statehood, those electoral votes and congress reps are worth trillions. The clock is ticking, odds are he will not be able to get a third term, run down the 24 second clock with him with praise and love. 

    Insist on statehood, the reps and votes that go with it, and your current health system if you want it. If he starts to quiver, fight him at his communication game. Say we want to be one with the states but willing to start hostilities if he doesn’t keep his word about statehood (threaten embargoes, ban all travel, troops at the border, etc). It’s all a communication game. Tell everyone you want peace and the offer.

    He is a clown, but his power is unrivaled. Putting down America and Americans is not going to word. Tell him you love the idea. Poker.


    Thankfully he can’t attend the big game tonight. At least take back hockey from us. Please.
    I honestly completely understand what you're saying.  However... 

    Words have consequences. Games have consequences. A joke is sometimes funny to some people, but outright offensive to others. 

    I'm assuming that pissing off Canadians is part of whatever strategy he has. And personally... I'd just as soon rather dismiss this dooshbag. But he IS President. He DOES have power. And he is talking some seriously disrespectful shit. 

    To put this into what would be considered a wrong, and irrational choice ....  if an American walked into my local pub.... and began saying the same shit Trump is .. and the same shit Fox News is saying....  that person is 100% getting the snot beat out of him. Of that, I have zero doubt.  

    America became a country by telling a perceived bully  (Britain) to fuck right off... and you all seem super proud about that. It's something to keep in mind. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,618
    edited February 20
    Trump's little "jokes" about annexing places, being president for life, etc. are not jokes. They're market research.
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  • seanwon
    seanwon Posts: 604
    dignin said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    You showed your ignorance with that last sentence.
    Great argument. You convinced me.
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  • seanwon
    seanwon Posts: 604
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    you might want to sit this one out. 

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  • seanwon
    seanwon Posts: 604
    PJ_Soul said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....



    I honestly don't really understand what you are trying to say here... Can you expand on your thoughts, assuming you understand anything?
    I thought it was clear.  I replied to a post that said most Americans don't understand Canadians. I established my credentials. And then I asked exactly what you all planned since you "weren't going to roll over."  Thanks for attempting to talk down to me though, I expect that from AMTLibs. 
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  • seanwon
    seanwon Posts: 604
    edited February 20
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    If “I’m not racist cuz I have one black friend” were a post about Canada. 
    Holy smokes, you replied to me on the 18th, stewed about it, and then came back a day later to attempt to insult me again? You should probably seek some healthcare for that anger management.  Seriously, that shit will take years off your life.
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    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    yes. I stayed up all night trying to come up with my best zinger. you got me. wow. you are so, so, smart. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    seanwon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....



    I honestly don't really understand what you are trying to say here... Can you expand on your thoughts, assuming you understand anything?
    I thought it was clear.  I replied to a post that said most Americans don't understand Canadians. I established my credentials. And then I asked exactly what you all planned since you "weren't going to roll over."  Thanks for attempting to talk down to me though, I expect that from AMTLibs. 
    seanwon said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    If “I’m not racist cuz I have one black friend” were a post about Canada. 
    Holy smokes, you replied to me on the 18th, stewed about it, and then came back a day later to attempt to insult me again? You should probably seek some healthcare for that anger management.  Seriously, that shit will take years off your life.
    yeah, you MIGHT want to take a gander in a mirror, there. 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    You showed your ignorance with that last sentence.
    Great argument. You convinced me.
    Look at the big brain thinking here. "I have a 9 year old friend from Canada."

    Your Canadian citizenship in the mail, you earned it.

    It may be worth shit wipe cause we're apparently gonna be the 51st state real soon, but, you know, enjoy that free healthcare while you can.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    Kinda cute (and disturbing)

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    hunterh75 said:
    josevolution said:
    Good on Canadian hockey fans keep booing the American national anthem! 
    And it got their asses kicked the other night. 
     =) 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    edited February 21
    I never thought I'd care about who won this 4 nations tournament so much, lol.
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,909
    PJ_Soul said:
    Kinda cute (and disturbing)


    I love Port Angeles.  It's pretty much the quickest/closest part of the US we can go to as there's a direct ferry from Victoria.  Been over there so many times.  We often refer to as our sister city.   Nice to see a little support over there.
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