Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin

It would be reassuring to hear from the Prime Minister regarding yesterday’s events, but I’m not sure he will.

Zod

DarthMaeglin said:

It would be reassuring to hear from the Prime Minister regarding yesterday’s events, but I’m not sure he will.

There was some media going around that he's not going to quit but going to reflect on what happened.

What a mess.   I wonder how long Jagmeet will keep supporting the liberals.   A lot of people say it's because he qualifies for a pension if he keeps his seat until February.   At the same time the result of an election is going to be an overwhelming conservative majority, NDP loses all their power (which they used to create new social programs, while all the other ones were struggling put the country further into debt).  NDP itself hands over the reigns to party have philosophical differences with if they do the vote of no confidence.

Still, the Liberals are imploding.  I might actually vote for conservative for the first time in my life.   The last 2 elections I protest voted green because none of the options were good.  This time it's solely to get the current government out of there.

It doesn't feel good having a party that's lost the confidence of the nation in power while we try and tackle the new challenge of the new administration south of the border.

DarthMaeglin

“That one cousin who makes things awkward”, or a brother-in-law who laments that a 7 year old asked for socks for Christmas, not Trump being assassinated.

Merry Christmas?

HughFreakingDillon

I came across this meme and it actually made me laugh 

Spunkie

^ cute but this one still my favorite...

DarthMaeglin

Both good ones, lol, thanks for sharing.

Do we think Trudeau should resign as leader, call an election or tough it out (or any other options, lol)?

I’d prefer he call an election in large part because it’s unfair for whoever follows him to wear what has clearly been The Justin Trudeau Government. Let him lose in an election on his record (and voter ennui) and then resign as leader.

That would also avoid the likely prorogation of Parliament which would pretty much be necessary for the Liberals to run a leadership contest if he resigned. The Legislature’s been paralyzed long enough (even though an election would have the same effect).

Believe it or not but I truly wish the Conservatives were led by someone else (Michael Chong would be my choice) but two perfectly reasonable candidates fell to Trudeau’s braggadocio so this is what we’ve ended up with.

Zod

I think government doesn't sit again until late Jan.  I think Singh is safe to vote no confidence and earn his pension as it would take a month for the election to happen and that'll be long enough.

If Trudeau called an election rather then wait for it to go to a vote of no confidence.  That'd be pretty funny

erebus

That would also avoid the likely prorogation of Parliament which would pretty much be necessary for the Liberals to run a leadership contest if he resigned. The Legislature’s been paralyzed long enough (even though an election would have the same effect).

I think they will go the prorogation route and JT will either stay on or will be a new liberal leader leading them into a spring or fall election, the result still being a Con majority . Cons have and would do the same thing if they were in the current situation.

it makes me laugh when people say Singh is just waiting for his pension. Not a big fan of his, but he was/is going to win his riding anyway. 

Anyhoo, we would have a much more collaborative government if we had a better voting system, force the parties to work together 

HughFreakingDillon

JT resigning as party leader-will stay on as PM until new leader is chosen:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/canada-justin-trudeau-resignation-01-06-25/index.html

HughFreakingDillon

This Paula Newton on CNN needs to check her facts. She says at the end of that video that "we are in unchartered territory here in Canada, we could have an interim prime minister, something that has never happened before". Um, Kim Campbell, anyone? She was the PM for 3 months when Mulroney resigned as party leader while still PM?

Original_Shifty

PP was going to win for sure with Trudeau at the helm. Now maybe with someone new, that might keep it to a minority for the MCGA. Which wouldn't be the end of the world I guess.

dignin

Maybe now by some miracle we can keep PP out. I doubt it but at least there's a small chance.

Edit: He should have resigned when his wife left him. I felt like that was the perfect opportunity to step away.

Spunkie

dignin said:

Maybe now by some miracle we can keep PP out. I doubt it but at least there's a small chance.

Edit: He should have resigned when his wife left him. I felt like that was the perfect opportunity to step away.

In an Australia's Surfer's Paradise hot tub, a local Common Wealther brought the PM's divorce up as the only person in high command with a divorce/separation. I let him know that at least us Canadian's don't kill off our leader's spouses, unlike the English!

So what, we've got two indo-canadians and a french guy to choose from? or is ndp singh out?

PJ_Soul

Original_Shifty said:

PP was going to win for sure with Trudeau at the helm. Now maybe with someone new, that might keep it to a minority for the MCGA. Which wouldn't be the end of the world I guess.

There is an awful lot of talk about fucking Christy Clark replacing him. If that happens, I actually just might prefer if PP wins, and that is saying a LOT. Christy Clark is the WORST. I totally hate her guts. She is crooked and corrupt.

Zod

PJ_Soul said:

Original_Shifty said:

PP was going to win for sure with Trudeau at the helm. Now maybe with someone new, that might keep it to a minority for the MCGA. Which wouldn't be the end of the world I guess.

There is an awful lot of talk about fucking Christy Clark replacing him. If that happens, I actually just might prefer if PP wins, and that is saying a LOT. Christy Clark is the WORST. I totally hate her guts. She is crooked and corrupt.

I don't think it really matters.  Whoever helms the party is going to be a sacrificial lamb.   If I truly wanted a shot at being PM, I wouldn't take over right now.  I'd wait for the bloodbath to be over.

Additional Note: I'm not entirely happy that they prorogued government 2 weeks before Trump is taking office.   We have no functioning parliament for over 2 months, of which when they do reform, there will probably be a vote of no confidence within a couple of weeks, then a month or two until an actual election.  So no functional Parliament for 4 months or so.

This is horrible when we have the US government threatening 30% tariff's.   I realize most of our government still functions without parliament, but in terms of tit for tat in a trade dispute, you need parliament functioning.

It's pretty horrible timing, should of been done sooner.  Either by the libs, or the NDP stopping Lib support sooner.

I can't believe it, but I'm really leaning towards voting Cons in this election which I don't think I've ever done.  Not because I think they'll solve anything, but just to clean house of the Libs/NDP (Not that it matters though, i'm in Elizabeth May's riding).

HughFreakingDillon

came across this article right after your post, Zod. 

LILLEY: Trudeau's selfishness puts Canada in horrible position

HughFreakingDillon

But honestly, beyond resigning months ago/calling an early election (knowing he would lose-no one at that level is going to do that), what should he have done? we all know he's going to lose in October. So he's essentially still a lame duck. So I'm not sure what the right course would have been. 

bootlegger10

HughFreakingDillon said:

But honestly, beyond resigning months ago/calling an early election (knowing he would lose-no one at that level is going to do that), what should he have done? we all know he's going to lose in October. So he's essentially still a lame duck. So I'm not sure what the right course would have been. 

I haven’t been following, but the other option would be to listen to the feedback and try to undue the damage of his unpopular policies. Tough to do as well if he truly believes in what he was doing.

Original_Shifty

PJ_Soul said:

Original_Shifty said:

PP was going to win for sure with Trudeau at the helm. Now maybe with someone new, that might keep it to a minority for the MCGA. Which wouldn't be the end of the world I guess.

There is an awful lot of talk about fucking Christy Clark replacing him. If that happens, I actually just might prefer if PP wins, and that is saying a LOT. Christy Clark is the WORST. I totally hate her guts. She is crooked and corrupt.

She IS the worst I've ever seen. I'd rather have (barely) Stephen Harper back in power than CC. Called herself a Liberal and she is the furthest thing from a Liberal. Like you said, crooked and corrupt. Wanna burn the federal liberals down to ashes? Go ahead and put CC in as the leader. Not only would I not vote Liberal, I don't think I could ever vote for them again knowing they thought she was a great choice.

HughFreakingDillon

Jean Chretien has a message for the orange turd:

https://www.montrealgazette.com/news/article671131.html