Canadian Politics Redux

Spunkie

At least he's easy on the eyes and minds his manners.

DarthMaeglin

Spunkie said:

At least he's easy on the eyes and minds his manners.

Not qualifications for being Prime Minister, and that’s precisely how we’re going to end up with Prime Minister Poilievre. The CPC tried putting forward reasonable leaders but PM Blackface (a scandal that would have torpedoed any Conservative’s political career, regardless of when the offensive behaviour occurred) was re-elected twice. Hence, bombastic Poilievre to match the bombastic Trudeau.

DarthMaeglin

DarthMaeglin said:

Spunkie said:

At least he's easy on the eyes and minds his manners.

Not qualifications for being Prime Minister, and that’s precisely how we’re going to end up with Prime Minister Poilievre. The CPC tried putting forward reasonable leaders but PM Blackface (a scandal that would have torpedoed any Conservative’s political career, regardless of when the offensive behaviour occurred) was re-elected twice. Hence, bombastic Poilievre to match the bombastic Trudeau.

I suppose my last post is wrong. Everyone has the right to vote on any basis they choose, leading to the saying that in a democracy we get the government we deserve, and as the minority vote (even if it gains more of the popular vote) I have to live with whatever government is chosen for me. Even one led by PM Blackface (a badge Trudeau earned through his adult choices).

Despite all my criticism of Trudeau, never have I uttered the words that he’s not my Prime Minister. I hope all the Poilievre haters will do the same but I’m not convinced it will happen.

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Spunkie said:

At least he's easy on the eyes and minds his manners.

Not qualifications for being Prime Minister, and that’s precisely how we’re going to end up with Prime Minister Poilievre. The CPC tried putting forward reasonable leaders but PM Blackface (a scandal that would have torpedoed any Conservative’s political career, regardless of when the offensive behaviour occurred) was re-elected twice. Hence, bombastic Poilievre to match the bombastic Trudeau.

I honestly think what she said matters more than anything especially in today's politics. Translate what she said from Easy on the Eyes and Mind his Manners to 'Image' and 'Attitude.'  

If they all lie (which they do)... and if they all flip flop (which they do) ... then sometimes it honestly does come down to image and attitude for a lot of voters. Even if the very image and attitude are illusions... voters still consider them important.  I'm one of them.  

If Pierre had enough of a platform or policy plan... I might ignore how dooshy he is.  In the absence of those "important" things... I'm left with the fact that I think he is in general a massive, massive doosh bag. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Spunkie said:

At least he's easy on the eyes and minds his manners.

Not qualifications for being Prime Minister, and that’s precisely how we’re going to end up with Prime Minister Poilievre. The CPC tried putting forward reasonable leaders but PM Blackface (a scandal that would have torpedoed any Conservative’s political career, regardless of when the offensive behaviour occurred) was re-elected twice. Hence, bombastic Poilievre to match the bombastic Trudeau.

I honestly think what she said matters more than anything especially in today's politics. Translate what she said from Easy on the Eyes and Mind his Manners to 'Image' and 'Attitude.'  

If they all lie (which they do)... and if they all flip flop (which they do) ... then sometimes it honestly does come down to image and attitude for a lot of voters. Even if the very image and attitude are illusions... voters still consider them important.  I'm one of them.  

If Pierre had enough of a platform or policy plan... I might ignore how dooshy he is.  In the absence of those "important" things... I'm left with the fact that I think he is in general a massive, massive doosh bag. 

And hence, we get the government we deserve, not the one we need.

It is a bit funny to me how opposition parties are seemingly expected to have put forward full platforms so far in advance of an election. I say this about all opposition parties, though I don’t see similar demands of the NDP. At this stage of the game what matters is the policies of the party who forms the government, not opposition suggestions that are largely ignored by the party in power.

 I accept your opinion that PP is a douche and put forward my own assertion that JT is equally bad, if not moreso. And we’re both correct.

In a bid to find unity, can we all have a good laugh at PP raising a Canadian flag on a flagpole that’s likely been set up in a random field just for that shot in the ad that’s currently running?

DarthMaeglin

Here’s something we can maybe find agreement that’s some good news, trying to give credit when I think it’s due.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/samidoun-terrorist-entity

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Spunkie said:

At least he's easy on the eyes and minds his manners.

Not qualifications for being Prime Minister, and that’s precisely how we’re going to end up with Prime Minister Poilievre. The CPC tried putting forward reasonable leaders but PM Blackface (a scandal that would have torpedoed any Conservative’s political career, regardless of when the offensive behaviour occurred) was re-elected twice. Hence, bombastic Poilievre to match the bombastic Trudeau.

I honestly think what she said matters more than anything especially in today's politics. Translate what she said from Easy on the Eyes and Mind his Manners to 'Image' and 'Attitude.'  

If they all lie (which they do)... and if they all flip flop (which they do) ... then sometimes it honestly does come down to image and attitude for a lot of voters. Even if the very image and attitude are illusions... voters still consider them important.  I'm one of them.  

If Pierre had enough of a platform or policy plan... I might ignore how dooshy he is.  In the absence of those "important" things... I'm left with the fact that I think he is in general a massive, massive doosh bag. 

And hence, we get the government we deserve, not the one we need.

It is a bit funny to me how opposition parties are seemingly expected to have put forward full platforms so far in advance of an election. I say this about all opposition parties, though I don’t see similar demands of the NDP. At this stage of the game what matters is the policies of the party who forms the government, not opposition suggestions that are largely ignored by the party in power.

 I accept your opinion that PP is a douche and put forward my own assertion that JT is equally bad, if not moreso. And we’re both correct.

In a bid to find unity, can we all have a good laugh at PP raising a Canadian flag on a flagpole that’s likely been set up in a random field just for that shot in the ad that’s currently running?

Not to sound too much like Eyore... (sp?)  but I'm convinced we are nowhere even remotely close to getting any government that we 'need.' 

True they are both dooshes... and yes... these Pierre ads are comical lol 

DarthMaeglin

It’s rare these days that I agree with an article in the Star (though there’s a good amount of opinion therein), but this makes some interesting points.

It will be interesting to observe how the US election results ultimately change the dynamics around Trudeau’s current leadership woes.

Trudeau got the boogeyman he needed last night, in my opinion.

https://apple.news/AQB7pPGMgSN-_Jl4keFu7WQ

DarthMaeglin

Is anyone else concerned that the Trudeau Liberals continue to prevent government business from proceeding through their avoidance of their legal responsibilities? The House of Commons has been paralyzed by their…obstinacy(?) since it returned from summer recess in September.

 Pretty soon we the people might have to make a point somehow but it’s no longer clear what constitutes acceptable protest.

DarthMaeglin

Pathetic use of taxpayer dollars, to say nothing of the carbon footprint (remember we the commoners weren’t supposed to take road trips this summer?). How much will this day trip for purely personal reasons cost us all?

Meanwhile the legislators aren’t legislating because the Liberals are flouting the law yet again.

https://torontosun.com/news/national/justin-trudeau-takes-day-trip-to-bermuda-for-funeral-of-family-friend

Edit:  And now PM Blackface is flying south again tomorrow because Bermuda isn’t on the way to Peru? What the fuck, seriously?!? How does this make a lick of sense?!?

Zod

DarthMaeglin said:

Is anyone else concerned that the Trudeau Liberals continue to prevent government business from proceeding through their avoidance of their legal responsibilities? The House of Commons has been paralyzed by their…obstinacy(?) since it returned from summer recess in September.

 Pretty soon we the people might have to make a point somehow but it’s no longer clear what constitutes acceptable protest.

you can't have a vote of no confidence if you don't bring up anything that needs to be voted on.  What a strategy.. sigh.

DarthMaeglin

Zod said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Is anyone else concerned that the Trudeau Liberals continue to prevent government business from proceeding through their avoidance of their legal responsibilities? The House of Commons has been paralyzed by their…obstinacy(?) since it returned from summer recess in September.

 Pretty soon we the people might have to make a point somehow but it’s no longer clear what constitutes acceptable protest.

you can't have a vote of no confidence if you don't bring up anything that needs to be voted on.  What a strategy.. sigh.

They’re reporting today that the current stalemate could actually be interpreted as non-confidence in the government under parliamentary rules, so this tactic may backfire on the Liberals, though as we saw in the needless 2021 election it would end all the investigations into possible Liberal misdeeds (like the “Green slush fund” causing the current deadlock).

”Open and transparent by default” my ass, lol.

Zod

DarthMaeglin said:

Zod said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Is anyone else concerned that the Trudeau Liberals continue to prevent government business from proceeding through their avoidance of their legal responsibilities? The House of Commons has been paralyzed by their…obstinacy(?) since it returned from summer recess in September.

 Pretty soon we the people might have to make a point somehow but it’s no longer clear what constitutes acceptable protest.

you can't have a vote of no confidence if you don't bring up anything that needs to be voted on.  What a strategy.. sigh.

They’re reporting today that the current stalemate could actually be interpreted as non-confidence in the government under parliamentary rules, so this tactic may backfire on the Liberals, though as we saw in the needless 2021 election it would end all the investigations into possible Liberal misdeeds (like the “Green slush fund” causing the current deadlock).

”Open and transparent by default” my ass, lol.

Interesting?  How does that work?  Governor General makes a call and prorogues government for an election?

DarthMaeglin

This has been an odd story to follow, my only problem with Boissonnault being why he never attempted to correct any of the assertions the party or business was making on his behalf.

https://torontosun.com/news/national/as-boissonnault-avoids-cameras-few-mps-comment-on-embattled-minister

DarthMaeglin

This just feels like a political gambit by the Trudeau Liberals. And it seems there’s a huge hole in their $250 cheque dole out, given that pensioners and those on other forms of government assistance are exempt, while an individual earning $150,000/year qualifies.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-gst-vacation-christmas-1.7389206

BF89905

Politics and many politicians have set such a low, disappointing bar for doing much of anything that will improve the lives of the vast majority of their constituents.

We're again in the copy cat stage of cash reimbursements prior to elections. As social services, public health care, public education, financial supports for people with mental and physical exceptionalities are purposefully dismantled by our provincial conservative government in Ontario, now the Federal Liberals feel that throwing money back to the people is going to make voters feel they have our best interests at heart. Such a terrible way to actually fix the many problems around us.

I support democracies. We need to figure out a way to get good, smart, and empathetic people into positions that make all policy decisions. There should be requisites for being considered a candidate. There needs to be real accountability when any representative breaks laws, sends public money to private businesses en masse - I realize some sub contracting is likely to happen, and doesn't do their elected job. Tax corporations and the ultra wealthy at high rates - they make their money on the backs of other people. They'll threaten to leave, but I don't think many actually will. Lastly, when a politician votes against a bill that would grant a segment of the population something that they already enjoy; for example, paid sick days, that politician forfeits that luxury on the spot.

Zod

I'm not happy about it either.  They're already running massive deficits and now they want to dole out a very small amount of funds per person to go further into the hole.  I think I actually qualify for the $250 and I don't really feel it's something I need.  I'd rather it go into helping support all the failing the social programs we have.

This doesn't nothing to buy my vote in the next election.  It just further pushes me in the other direction due to the fiscal irresponsibility of it. Inflation's been barely under control for 2 minutes, and he's going right back to doing what caused it.

Increased cash in peoples pockets without an equal increase in goods made, means more expensive goods.  More $$ chasing the same amount of goods.   It's shame elections are a popularity contest instead of a probably vetted role.

HughFreakingDillon

Zod said:

I'm not happy about it either.  They're already running massive deficits and now they want to dole out a very small amount of funds per person to go further into the hole.  I think I actually qualify for the $250 and I don't really feel it's something I need.  I'd rather it go into helping support all the failing the social programs we have.

This doesn't nothing to buy my vote in the next election.  It just further pushes me in the other direction due to the fiscal irresponsibility of it. Inflation's been barely under control for 2 minutes, and he's going right back to doing what caused it.

Increased cash in peoples pockets without an equal increase in goods made, means more expensive goods.  More $$ chasing the same amount of goods.   It's shame elections are a popularity contest instead of a probably vetted role.

commie. haha

DarthMaeglin

I’m seeing more similarities between 1930s Germany and what’s been playing out on our streets (at least in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver) than the constant comparisons between Trump and Hitler.

I guess we don’t need the EMA because these hooligans go home at night, except when they occupy school campuses for several months?

https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-canada-reaps-what-politicians-sowed?tbref=hp

Zod

HughFreakingDillon said:

Zod said:

I'm not happy about it either.  They're already running massive deficits and now they want to dole out a very small amount of funds per person to go further into the hole.  I think I actually qualify for the $250 and I don't really feel it's something I need.  I'd rather it go into helping support all the failing the social programs we have.

This doesn't nothing to buy my vote in the next election.  It just further pushes me in the other direction due to the fiscal irresponsibility of it. Inflation's been barely under control for 2 minutes, and he's going right back to doing what caused it.

Increased cash in peoples pockets without an equal increase in goods made, means more expensive goods.  More $$ chasing the same amount of goods.   It's shame elections are a popularity contest instead of a probably vetted role.

commie. haha

ok, I'd rather pay less tax. lol.