Canadian Politics Redux

Parksy

Zod said:

erebus said:

I will be highly disappointed if the government succeeds in pushing back the election date in order for a bunch of MP’s to qualify for pensions. I feel they should have to win their riding in the normal election cycle. I will not be surprised though. I am still mad about electoral reform also….

also JT takes a lot of heat for things that are actually provincial responsibilities. The loudest voices of dissent are usually the least informed.

rant over

True, but JT caused many of the problems by cranking up immigration numbers to unsustainable levels, creating all sorts of infrastructure problems, which then fall on the provinces.  Ideally I'd like to see our government working together to plan this shit out, instead of the Feds doing one thing, and dumping a major problem onto the provinces.

I'm still of the, all the political parties suck, but I think it's time for him to go, I think our government needs a reset.  Ideally for me, the Libs would then do a leader review, and maybe drift a bit back towards the centre.

to your point... even though every one else sucks.. .especially Polievre in my opinion... Trudeau absolutely needs to go. I used to be on board with a different Liberal taking over, but lately I find they all stink.  Much like when Harper and the Conservatives were given a wake up call in 2015, the Liberals need to lose, and lose big. 

DarthMaeglin

Some interesting thoughts from Erin O’Toole about the current government.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ivison-erin-otoole-on-trudeau-poilievre

It’s also interesting seeing all the rumours of parliament being prorogued. So much for no legislative trickery, but this wouldn’t even be their first proroguing. Ultimately that would just be a game of chicken instigated by the Trudeauites to force a confidence vote on the new throne speech. Justin would love nothing more than to be campaigning against Trump instead of Poilievre I believe.

DarthMaeglin

There’s few things less inspiring than a so-called leader who is a clear hypocrite. His ministers were telling citizens not to take road trips while their leader treats the government jet like an uber.

https://apple.news/AzH6IZdh3Qc2RTpFsUUyZYA

And set your dvrs tonight, our Prime Minister is going to take hard-hitting questions from…Stephen Colbert.

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

There’s few things less inspiring than a so-called leader who is a clear hypocrite. His ministers were telling citizens not to take road trips while their leader treats the government jet like an uber.

https://apple.news/AzH6IZdh3Qc2RTpFsUUyZYA

And set your dvrs tonight, our Prime Minister is going to take hard-hitting questions from…Stephen Colbert.

Just some opinions on the interview...  

love him or hate him, he nailed it. Like... absolutely brilliantly nailed it.  Whether it was sincere, phony, etc. whatever you want to call it, strategically, it was a brilliant interview by Trudeau. If you take substance, history, and policy out of the equation.....  what he showcased was class, dignity, character, and charm. His timing of which when all we're seeing is negativity and attacks is simply brilliant. I'm not basing this on anything other than the interview of course but based solely on the interview, he nailed it. 

You could tell he wanted to avoid American politics entirely, but if there was one thing I would have loved to have seen from this was him correcting Colbert on the Polievre / Trump comparison.   TO BE CLEAR... I can understand strategically why he didn't... but it would have been refreshing if he simply stated that Polievre is nowhere near close to being compared to Trump.    You can make the argument that they both employ populism, but that's about it. 

Parksy

I think I know the answer here... but I'll ask... 

which Ontarians here are interested in spending around $40 billion dollars to dig a 55KM tunnel from Brampton to Scarborough?  

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

I think I know the answer here... but I'll ask... 

which Ontarians here are interested in spending around $40 billion dollars to dig a 55KM tunnel from Brampton to Scarborough?  

Not this one, doesn’t strike me as wise use of precious taxpayer dollars on first blush. And stopping at Scarborough makes no sense, the east end of Oshawa or even into Coburg would be more logical.

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

I think I know the answer here... but I'll ask... 

which Ontarians here are interested in spending around $40 billion dollars to dig a 55KM tunnel from Brampton to Scarborough?  

Not this one, doesn’t strike me as wise use of precious taxpayer dollars on first blush. And stopping at Scarborough makes no sense, the east end of Oshawa or even into Coburg would be more logical.

It would be an absolute nightmare... like the Eglington LTR lol  but much, much, much bigger and more expensive. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

I think I know the answer here... but I'll ask... 

which Ontarians here are interested in spending around $40 billion dollars to dig a 55KM tunnel from Brampton to Scarborough?  

Not this one, doesn’t strike me as wise use of precious taxpayer dollars on first blush. And stopping at Scarborough makes no sense, the east end of Oshawa or even into Coburg would be more logical.

It would be an absolute nightmare... like the Eglington LTR lol  but much, much, much bigger and more expensive. 

Agreed, the thing is the congestion levels here need addressing so I’m interested to see what the feasibility report shows, maybe the tunnel might actually be the way to go.

As I said I don’t like the idea on the surface but I’m all for hearing an analysis on this and any other measures that get dreamed up, at this point no options should be off the table. Except maybe another elevated expressway, the Gardiner isn’t really a glowing endorsement of that option, lol.

Edited to change expression to expressway, lol.

DarthMaeglin

So which version is accurate, CBC? But they’re totally unbiased, sure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-homophobic-comment-trudeau-tom-clark-fergus-1.7334089

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-denies-comment-was-homophobic-1.7335286

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

So which version is accurate, CBC? But they’re totally unbiased, sure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-homophobic-comment-trudeau-tom-clark-fergus-1.7334089

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-denies-comment-was-homophobic-1.7335286

I'm confused by this...  can you elaborate?  This seems like reporting to me, but I might be missing something. 

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

So which version is accurate, CBC? But they’re totally unbiased, sure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-homophobic-comment-trudeau-tom-clark-fergus-1.7334089

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-denies-comment-was-homophobic-1.7335286

I'll say this about the issue...  I don't condone what Trudeau did. .... Well.. I do, just not how he did it. Same with Jagmeet and his 'handling' of those dooshbags with the phones. 

I've said this before... and I'll say it again... I wish the conservatives would shut the fuck up during question period. And it is a THEM problem.  They have way too many back benchers who cannot keep their mouths shut. This is a constant issue... to me it makes them look bad, makes them look childish, makes them look unprofessional. The heckling, the yelling, the shouting. It's fucking obnoxious. 

That said, the answer to their problem is not doing the same thing. Commons shouldn't be a tit for tat situation and that to me is what Trudeau did.  If I'm the liberals or ndp and the other party smells like shit, I would simply remind the public about that... I wouldn't add more shit to the shit pile making the whole commons smell like shit. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

So which version is accurate, CBC? But they’re totally unbiased, sure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-homophobic-comment-trudeau-tom-clark-fergus-1.7334089

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-denies-comment-was-homophobic-1.7335286

I'm confused by this...  can you elaborate?  This seems like reporting to me, but I might be missing something. 

It was the torquing of the PM’s comments again. In the first version, which appears to include the complete quote, the entire CPC caucus is smeared. In the next version all of a sudden the PM was only accusing one MP. So which is the accurate version of events?

It should also be noted that while he withdrew the defacation comment, the Speaker seemingly allowed the homophobic comment to stand.

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

So which version is accurate, CBC? But they’re totally unbiased, sure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-homophobic-comment-trudeau-tom-clark-fergus-1.7334089

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-denies-comment-was-homophobic-1.7335286

I'll say this about the issue...  I don't condone what Trudeau did. .... Well.. I do, just not how he did it. Same with Jagmeet and his 'handling' of those dooshbags with the phones. 

I've said this before... and I'll say it again... I wish the conservatives would shut the fuck up during question period. And it is a THEM problem.  They have way too many back benchers who cannot keep their mouths shut. This is a constant issue... to me it makes them look bad, makes them look childish, makes them look unprofessional. The heckling, the yelling, the shouting. It's fucking obnoxious. 

That said, the answer to their problem is not doing the same thing. Commons shouldn't be a tit for tat situation and that to me is what Trudeau did.  If I'm the liberals or ndp and the other party smells like shit, I would simply remind the public about that... I wouldn't add more shit to the shit pile making the whole commons smell like shit. 

All parties are guilty, and the Liberals are as bad if not worse than the CPCs when it comes to heckling and such. It’s not a THEM problem, unless THEM refers to pretty much every single MP.

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

So which version is accurate, CBC? But they’re totally unbiased, sure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-homophobic-comment-trudeau-tom-clark-fergus-1.7334089

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-denies-comment-was-homophobic-1.7335286

I'll say this about the issue...  I don't condone what Trudeau did. .... Well.. I do, just not how he did it. Same with Jagmeet and his 'handling' of those dooshbags with the phones. 

I've said this before... and I'll say it again... I wish the conservatives would shut the fuck up during question period. And it is a THEM problem.  They have way too many back benchers who cannot keep their mouths shut. This is a constant issue... to me it makes them look bad, makes them look childish, makes them look unprofessional. The heckling, the yelling, the shouting. It's fucking obnoxious. 

That said, the answer to their problem is not doing the same thing. Commons shouldn't be a tit for tat situation and that to me is what Trudeau did.  If I'm the liberals or ndp and the other party smells like shit, I would simply remind the public about that... I wouldn't add more shit to the shit pile making the whole commons smell like shit. 

All parties are guilty, and the Liberals are as bad if not worse than the CPCs when it comes to heckling and such. It’s not a THEM problem, unless THEM refers to pretty much every single MP.

hard no.  Like I'm sorry... you can certainly say that all parties are guilty and you'd be correct.  The same way you can say that all politicians engage in lying.  For sure.  But the degree to which some parties do and some politicians do is important. 

I've watched a lot of question period (against my best judgement) and without a doubt the Conservatives are constantly yelling shit. Constantly. The interrupting, the yelling, shouting, hollering... is in deed a Conservative trait.  They need to own it, and folks need to recognize it. It's shocking to me that anyone would suggest otherwise, unless they've never sat through a question period. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

So which version is accurate, CBC? But they’re totally unbiased, sure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-homophobic-comment-trudeau-tom-clark-fergus-1.7334089

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-denies-comment-was-homophobic-1.7335286

I'll say this about the issue...  I don't condone what Trudeau did. .... Well.. I do, just not how he did it. Same with Jagmeet and his 'handling' of those dooshbags with the phones. 

I've said this before... and I'll say it again... I wish the conservatives would shut the fuck up during question period. And it is a THEM problem.  They have way too many back benchers who cannot keep their mouths shut. This is a constant issue... to me it makes them look bad, makes them look childish, makes them look unprofessional. The heckling, the yelling, the shouting. It's fucking obnoxious. 

That said, the answer to their problem is not doing the same thing. Commons shouldn't be a tit for tat situation and that to me is what Trudeau did.  If I'm the liberals or ndp and the other party smells like shit, I would simply remind the public about that... I wouldn't add more shit to the shit pile making the whole commons smell like shit. 

All parties are guilty, and the Liberals are as bad if not worse than the CPCs when it comes to heckling and such. It’s not a THEM problem, unless THEM refers to pretty much every single MP.

hard no.  Like I'm sorry... you can certainly say that all parties are guilty and you'd be correct.  The same way you can say that all politicians engage in lying.  For sure.  But the degree to which some parties do and some politicians do is important. 

I've watched a lot of question period (against my best judgement) and without a doubt the Conservatives are constantly yelling shit. Constantly. The interrupting, the yelling, shouting, hollering... is in deed a Conservative trait.  They need to own it, and folks need to recognize it. It's shocking to me that anyone would suggest otherwise, unless they've never sat through a question period. 

Agree to disagree then, because I also regularly tune into QP and have come away with a different conclusion.

Zod

Just remember they all suck.  It doesn't matter what we vote for.  I doubt any problems will be solved, or much of anything will improve regardless of who we vote in.   Not sure why everyone argues one party is worse than other, or party hurls less insults than yours.  The truth is they all suck, and we don't have any good options.     None of these parties are worth defending.

HughFreakingDillon

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

So which version is accurate, CBC? But they’re totally unbiased, sure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-homophobic-comment-trudeau-tom-clark-fergus-1.7334089

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-denies-comment-was-homophobic-1.7335286

I'll say this about the issue...  I don't condone what Trudeau did. .... Well.. I do, just not how he did it. Same with Jagmeet and his 'handling' of those dooshbags with the phones. 

I've said this before... and I'll say it again... I wish the conservatives would shut the fuck up during question period. And it is a THEM problem.  They have way too many back benchers who cannot keep their mouths shut. This is a constant issue... to me it makes them look bad, makes them look childish, makes them look unprofessional. The heckling, the yelling, the shouting. It's fucking obnoxious. 

That said, the answer to their problem is not doing the same thing. Commons shouldn't be a tit for tat situation and that to me is what Trudeau did.  If I'm the liberals or ndp and the other party smells like shit, I would simply remind the public about that... I wouldn't add more shit to the shit pile making the whole commons smell like shit. 

All parties are guilty, and the Liberals are as bad if not worse than the CPCs when it comes to heckling and such. It’s not a THEM problem, unless THEM refers to pretty much every single MP.

hard no.  Like I'm sorry... you can certainly say that all parties are guilty and you'd be correct.  The same way you can say that all politicians engage in lying.  For sure.  But the degree to which some parties do and some politicians do is important. 

I've watched a lot of question period (against my best judgement) and without a doubt the Conservatives are constantly yelling shit. Constantly. The interrupting, the yelling, shouting, hollering... is in deed a Conservative trait.  They need to own it, and folks need to recognize it. It's shocking to me that anyone would suggest otherwise, unless they've never sat through a question period. 

agree 100%. It's become a circus as it is anyway, but the cons yell and shout WAY more than the libs or the dems. 

Spunkie

"Pandora's Box Opened"

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/510583/American-aboriginal-rights-in-BC-becomes-election-issue

*The Ktunaxa also have Can/US territories/bands/tribes and were recently included in the BC Columbia River - US renegotiated deal.

It looks like some American Indians are going to get a say on the Big White expansion.

Spunkie

DarthMaeglin

We know he doesn’t listen to his citizens or even his own party, is it not crystal clear now that he never should have been elected Prime Minister in the first place? Change for the sake of change often puts one worse off than when they started.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/canadas-in-a-standoff-between-the-prime-minister-and-the-people