Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin

I’m not going to argue it any further at the moment (I do hear what you’re saying fwiw) but I want to wish your sister a full recovery, I hope it wasn’t an intentional hit (was a genuine accident as dumb as that may sound, apologies) in addition to what you endured at the hospital.

Spunkie

Wow. Just wow.

DarthMaeglin

Spunkie said:

Wow. Just wow.

I’m sorry if I came off as dismissive or insincere, seriously. That was not my intent, please believe me.

It sounds like your sister’s accident was quite serious and I just want to wish her well.

Spunkie

Yeah no worries it was just a bit much the suggestion that it could have been a hit. Like who would go around trying to kill someone specifically by mowing them down with the car? I don't think that's the way murders or intimate murders take place typically? Unless your comment was sarcasm due to my experience that there's a lot of insidious ways that Indigenous people's have a hard times surviving compared to Canadians? Yeah we could just let it go.

DarthMaeglin

Spunkie said:

Yeah no worries it was just a bit much the suggestion that it could have been a hit. Like who would go around trying to kill someone specifically by mowing them down with the car? I don't think that's the way murders or intimate murders take place typically? Unless your comment was sarcasm due to my experience that there's a lot of insidious ways that Indigenous people's have a hard times surviving compared to Canadians? Yeah we could just let it go.

I’ll just say there was no sarcasm meant, only concern, I apologize again for my poor wording. This is an excuse not a reason but I was really stoned at the time I wrote it.

Again, I truly hope your sister recovers fully.

BF89905

Parksy said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtsz6W1M28M

Along the lines of Canada and it's treatment of Indigenous peoples.... we're again left with two leaders who are either virtue signaling liars (Trudeau)  or robotic dooshbags (Polievre). 

Also interesting is the contrast of two leaders / parties and their solutions to problems using a socialist model (Trudeau) and a capitalist model (Polievre).  To that point, I'm not a believer in either solution as both don't seem to work historically. 

Polievre in this conference remarkably suggests that what is going to help Indigenous people is a better economy and less government red tape... which of course is not defined in any way shape or form.  This is the same argument he makes for solving housing.  What he failed to comment on and what he got called out for ... is his lack of recognizing our past.  And I mean.... truly if he suggests that the solution is that resources taken or used on Indigenous land goes back into their communities.... well.... first I don't believe him and second... doesn't that kind of mean our entire country?  To me it was completely tone deaf... and will likely set him up for failure should he be elected. 

To break it down into crayons... to me he sounded like he was saying:   'Don't look to us to solve your problems... we're going to give you the resources to solve your own problems..'    Meanwhile.. the problem is that the government smashed the shit out of their home, and instead of lending a hand to rebuild.... they just provide a bunch of shovels and mortar and say 'you're welcome.' 

DarthMaeglin

So it seems a journalist borderline stalked Trudeau while Justin was/is vacationing to ambush interview the PM. Not cool, in my opinion, it’s right up there with protesting outside a politician’s private residence.

 I continue to support ambush interviews when officials are “on duty” so to speak, but this crossed the line for me.

And credit to Trudeau, he engaged with the guy for a few minutes and didn’t just have his security detail shuffle the guy away (admittedly that was somewhat pragmatic to avoid the headline about heavy-handed security). I don’t agree with some of what Trudeau said but I absolutely agree that he (or whoever occupies the office) is absolutely entitled to his personal space and time. It has also been a working vacation due to the wildfires in Alberta.

I haven’t watched the video in the link but did read an account of the encounter (can’t find the link now, apologies).

https://torontosun.com/news/batras-burning-questions-determined-journalist-catches-up-with-trudeau-at-tofino-beach

Parksy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGqHO6kDMWM

Again more geared towards Ontarians... but what are thoughts on this?  A few of my takeaways:

1. that money on helicopters is just silly. In this story alone... our dumbass premiere has already outlined what the problem is.. the bail system.  So how does throwing over $100 million at helicopters help that?!  Also... the cost of the helicopters is nowhere near accurate... you have to factor in pilots, fuel, maintenance, etc.  This is a huge cost to taxpayers. 

2. judicial impartiality ... while important, I also have to wonder.... well.... we elect our politicians to pursue change as it's needed... and while he's a dumbass.. he makes a good point about bail.    I just think in this case, we need to hear the other side of the argument as to why so many criminals are being released.  

BF89905

Parksy said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGqHO6kDMWM

Again more geared towards Ontarians... but what are thoughts on this?  A few of my takeaways:

1. that money on helicopters is just silly. In this story alone... our dumbass premiere has already outlined what the problem is.. the bail system.  So how does throwing over $100 million at helicopters help that?!  Also... the cost of the helicopters is nowhere near accurate... you have to factor in pilots, fuel, maintenance, etc.  This is a huge cost to taxpayers. 

2. judicial impartiality ... while important, I also have to wonder.... well.... we elect our politicians to pursue change as it's needed... and while he's a dumbass.. he makes a good point about bail.    I just think in this case, we need to hear the other side of the argument as to why so many criminals are being released.  

Re: $100 million+ for police helicopters, that's ridiculous. I agree that our premier is a dumbass.... I'll add that he's incompetent and progressively corrupt.

You'd be hard pressed to find major decisions that this provincial government has made over the past 6 years that haven't been controversial and flat out stupid/irresponsible.

What's taking the RCMP investigation into the Green Belt Scandal so long? Between The Narwhal's and the Toronto Star's investigative reporting and the Auditor General's report, could there be a corruption case that is any more of a layup? What is the always accountable and transparent RCMP doing?

Western democracies are in a bad state right now due to all their crappy leaders, and lack of accountability. 

On another tangent..... It's amazing how many of these crappy elected officials fail upwards, and once they remove themselves from politics, they wind up on some board of trustees, or as a consultant for who knows what making north of $150k per year.

Have a nice week

erebus

A new Federal party announced,  the Future party.
Might be what people are looking for, a middle between the Liberals and Conservatives. 
I look forward to learning more about them, sounds reasonable so far, but early days.

HughFreakingDillon

My guess is this will siphon more from the right than the left, but who knows. It’s about time we got another federal party! 5 wasn’t enough! 

erebus

Or it may fracture the Conservatives again, like when the Reform party split off for awhile 

Original_Shifty

They lost me at Christy Clark. I shudder at the name.

Spunkie

I wonder why children more likely to die in ministry of children and family care if they are Indigenous rather than non Indigenous?

Edit: those are 2022 and 2023 stats in BC.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/data-monitoring-quality-assurance/reporting-monitoring/statistics

Zod

erebus said:

A new Federal party announced,  the Future party.
Might be what people are looking for, a middle between the Liberals and Conservatives. 
I look forward to learning more about them, sounds reasonable so far, but early days.

Intriques my interest too.  I've been completely disenfrancised by all the existing parties.  I voted green in the last election as a protest vote.  They were a complete trainwreck in the last election. lol.   I just can't bring it to vote for cons, libs, or ndp.  They all suck.   It'd be rough watching a new party figure it out, but maybe that's a good thing.

Zod

Interesting Day.  NDP withdrew support for the Libs, so technically an election could occur before October 2025.  As I read somewhere else, most likely not before March, as leader of the NDP and some other senior MLA's will qualify for a gold plated pension.

I stumbled on this video on CBC, where a steelworker refused to shake Trudeau's hand, and rebutted the new social programs:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6496969

Dude, is like, I have a good job, I pay a bunch of taxes.  I don't have a family doctor, I don't qualify for the new Dental program, but my neighbor who doesn't work does.   Lot's of money getting spent, but big parts of the middle class don't qualify, and pay a fair amount of the taxes.  Kind of liked the persons arguments.

erebus

I will be highly disappointed if the government succeeds in pushing back the election date in order for a bunch of MP’s to qualify for pensions. I feel they should have to win their riding in the normal election cycle. I will not be surprised though. I am still mad about electoral reform also….

also JT takes a lot of heat for things that are actually provincial responsibilities. The loudest voices of dissent are usually the least informed.

rant over

Zod

erebus said:

I will be highly disappointed if the government succeeds in pushing back the election date in order for a bunch of MP’s to qualify for pensions. I feel they should have to win their riding in the normal election cycle. I will not be surprised though. I am still mad about electoral reform also….

also JT takes a lot of heat for things that are actually provincial responsibilities. The loudest voices of dissent are usually the least informed.

rant over

True, but JT caused many of the problems by cranking up immigration numbers to unsustainable levels, creating all sorts of infrastructure problems, which then fall on the provinces.  Ideally I'd like to see our government working together to plan this shit out, instead of the Feds doing one thing, and dumping a major problem onto the provinces.

I'm still of the, all the political parties suck, but I think it's time for him to go, I think our government needs a reset.  Ideally for me, the Libs would then do a leader review, and maybe drift a bit back towards the centre.

DarthMaeglin

It’s going to be interesting to see if Trudeau can actually govern the mandate he was elected to instead of the false majority he enjoyed until recently or having a crisis hand him a blank cheque. I think it’s no surprise I don’t think his ego will stand it and we’ll see the Liberals force a confidence vote before Christmas, but I’d honestly be thrilled to be proven wrong.

Parksy

Its the never ending shit cycle. 

Dude who refused to shake hands with Trudeau... I'll admit yes he's representing a lot of folks in Canada.. but what he's also doing is what A LOT of Canadians are doing.  Blaming Trudeau. And generally speaking... without any forethought or understanding of just about anything. 

Ultimately I think it's just way too easy a scapegoat. 

Regarding him cranking up immigration numbers... Conservative are already on the record saying they intend to continue the flow of immigration. 

I'm unaware of the infrastructure problems Trudeau created... but if you're referring to a general notion of too many people, not enough effort into roads and utilities... then yes you would be correct...  but ultimately I don't see where a different party could or would do any different. 

I got a bit of a kick outta the worker talking about no doctor. I won't step in it here... because I'm far from an expert. But health care is governed provincially with funding allocated and subsidized federally. My understanding is that the majority of funding and operating is provincial.   So this guy is Ontarian... has no doctor.. provincially funded and operated... our Premier is corrupt and mismanages money like crazy... yet his go-to is to blame Trudeau.  Same thing happened during the pandemic. Trudeau was being blamed for so many things that had nothing to do with federal jurisdiction. 

I could go on...   but looking at this model.  Trudeau is liberal... he is corrupt and mis manages money. (irrefutable, not opinion)  Ford is conservative... he is corrupt and mismanages money (irrefutable, not opinion).   They're both likely (hopefully) going to lose an election.  At which point.. it is my belief that once the sides are changed... Conservative feds and likely Liberal provincial... the exact same shit cycle is going to repeat.  We suck.