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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 517
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,351
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    You showed your ignorance with that last sentence.
  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,814
    edited February 19
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,041
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,107
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....



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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,742
    edited February 19
    That poster isn't wrong, we did have a problem with the uneducated truckers.  They occupied our capital and blocked our border for a period of time.  

    I do find the whole thing tough.  In a tariff war, I think we hurt a lot more than the US hurts.  I think a lot of Canadians and Americans underestimate the impact it will have on us.   It'll slow down exports to the US, which results in layoffs, which results in those people buying less, defaulting on mortgages, and we'd go into a pretty big recession.   Our government spent a lot of money during covid, and our economy is already a bit soft, so we don't have slack to absorb it.   Our government would have to try and spend their way out of it, so even if after spending a few years building infrastructure and finding new trading partners, our national debt would be considerably larger, which makes us more vulnerable, and what not.

    While were the biggest trading partner to the US, the percentages are pretty lopsided.  I think Tariff's create an inflationary problem for the U.S. (or make the current problem even worse), as they pay higher prices for the stuff the import from us, have to pay more to import from elsewhere, or spend a lot on resources to create internal capacity.      Still I think we're looking at a mega recession vs. inflation problem, so I think outcome is a bit lopsided.

    If America decided to invade and take our country.  Most of us our soft.  Our military is small and woefully underfunding.  I think we'd be like one of the first countries to get "annexed" by Germany in WWII.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic, but even when we Canadian say will give hell to the U.S. if they do wrong by us, I don't even think most Canadians realize how bad it could get.  It's why our politicians continue to wait for the U.S. to make the first move, because they don't want to bring this on us, if they don't have too.

    I suppose the question is, how likely do we think the U.S. administration is to do the tariff's .  They're inflation is already creeping back up.   If Trump throws out all these free trade agreements, it will drive up prices in the U.S., and maybe the people that voted for him, but aren't 100% die hard MAGA's revolt when the inflation starts to climb.
    Post edited by Zod on
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,905
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 

    Fighting him and putting him down clearly has never worked. I was suggesting to be positive and hope that he respects his two term limit. If he doesn’t, and the courts don’t stop him, whether Canadian or Democrat, it really doesn’t matter much, he will shape North America in any image he wants.


  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,905
    Bannon is not 100% wrong. Will Canada be able to keep China and Russia out of the Arctic, without compromising security for the continent?


    “The new great game of the 21st century is going to be the Arctic. It’s already a great power struggle between the Chinese Communist Party and the Russians up there. Canada’s former most secure border, your northern provinces are now your soft underbelly,” Bannon said.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,041
    Zod said:
    That poster isn't wrong, we did have a problem with the uneducated truckers.  They occupied our capital and blocked our border for a period of time.  

    I do find the whole thing tough.  In a tariff war, I think we hurt a lot more than the US hurts.  I think a lot of Canadians and Americans underestimate the impact it will have on us.   It'll slow down exports to the US, which results in layoffs, which results in those people buying less, defaulting on mortgages, and we'd go into a pretty big recession.   Our government spent a lot of money during covid, and our economy is already a bit soft, so we don't have slack to absorb it.   Our government would have to try and spend their way out of it, so even if after spending a few years building infrastructure and finding new trading partners, our national debt would be considerably larger, which makes us more vulnerable, and what not.

    While were the biggest trading partner to the US, the percentages are pretty lopsided.  I think Tariff's create an inflationary problem for the U.S. (or make the current problem even worse), as they pay higher prices for the stuff the import from us, have to pay more to import from elsewhere, or spend a lot on resources to create internal capacity.      Still I think we're looking at a mega recession vs. inflation problem, so I think outcome is a bit lopsided.

    If America decided to invade and take our country.  Most of us our soft.  Our military is small and woefully underfunding.  I think we'd be like one of the first countries to get "annexed" by Germany in WWII.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic, but even when we Canadian say will give hell to the U.S. if they do wrong by us, I don't even think most Canadians realize how bad it could get.  It's why our politicians continue to wait for the U.S. to make the first move, because they don't want to bring this on us, if they don't have too.

    I suppose the question is, how likely do we think the U.S. administration is to do the tariff's .  They're inflation is already creeping back up.   If Trump throws out all these free trade agreements, it will drive up prices in the U.S., and maybe the people that voted for him, but aren't 100% die hard MAGA's revolt when the inflation starts to climb.
    The response to the truckers, wouldn’t, and shouldn’t be, equal to that of an invasion from another country. Come on. 

    It’s like saying we couldn’t handle a rat infestation because we let a few mosquitoes bother us at a bbq. 

    Trump’s tariffs will last as long as the American consumer and business sectors will tolerate it. Then he’ll back off, claiming they worked, while winning nothing in the end. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,041
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,689
    Only because it just came up, one of the organizers of the “uneducated truckers” was sentenced today.

    https://torontosun.com/news/national/freedom-convoy-organizer-pat-king-given-3-month-conditional-sentence
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,742
    Zod said:
    That poster isn't wrong, we did have a problem with the uneducated truckers.  They occupied our capital and blocked our border for a period of time.  

    I do find the whole thing tough.  In a tariff war, I think we hurt a lot more than the US hurts.  I think a lot of Canadians and Americans underestimate the impact it will have on us.   It'll slow down exports to the US, which results in layoffs, which results in those people buying less, defaulting on mortgages, and we'd go into a pretty big recession.   Our government spent a lot of money during covid, and our economy is already a bit soft, so we don't have slack to absorb it.   Our government would have to try and spend their way out of it, so even if after spending a few years building infrastructure and finding new trading partners, our national debt would be considerably larger, which makes us more vulnerable, and what not.

    While were the biggest trading partner to the US, the percentages are pretty lopsided.  I think Tariff's create an inflationary problem for the U.S. (or make the current problem even worse), as they pay higher prices for the stuff the import from us, have to pay more to import from elsewhere, or spend a lot on resources to create internal capacity.      Still I think we're looking at a mega recession vs. inflation problem, so I think outcome is a bit lopsided.

    If America decided to invade and take our country.  Most of us our soft.  Our military is small and woefully underfunding.  I think we'd be like one of the first countries to get "annexed" by Germany in WWII.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic, but even when we Canadian say will give hell to the U.S. if they do wrong by us, I don't even think most Canadians realize how bad it could get.  It's why our politicians continue to wait for the U.S. to make the first move, because they don't want to bring this on us, if they don't have too.

    I suppose the question is, how likely do we think the U.S. administration is to do the tariff's .  They're inflation is already creeping back up.   If Trump throws out all these free trade agreements, it will drive up prices in the U.S., and maybe the people that voted for him, but aren't 100% die hard MAGA's revolt when the inflation starts to climb.
    The response to the truckers, wouldn’t, and shouldn’t be, equal to that of an invasion from another country. Come on. 

    It’s like saying we couldn’t handle a rat infestation because we let a few mosquitoes bother us at a bbq. 

    Trump’s tariffs will last as long as the American consumer and business sectors will tolerate it. Then he’ll back off, claiming they worked, while winning nothing in the end. 

    I mean we did let our version of MAGA occupy our capital city for three weeks, plus blocked our borders for a number of days.   The only thing I take offense with is that it did get handled, it just took a bit of time.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,041
    The American poster is suggesting we can’t defend ourselves because of how the convoy was handled. Not even remotely comparable, to the point of absurdity. 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • dignindignin Posts: 9,351
    edited February 19
    Zod said:
    Zod said:
    That poster isn't wrong, we did have a problem with the uneducated truckers.  They occupied our capital and blocked our border for a period of time.  

    I do find the whole thing tough.  In a tariff war, I think we hurt a lot more than the US hurts.  I think a lot of Canadians and Americans underestimate the impact it will have on us.   It'll slow down exports to the US, which results in layoffs, which results in those people buying less, defaulting on mortgages, and we'd go into a pretty big recession.   Our government spent a lot of money during covid, and our economy is already a bit soft, so we don't have slack to absorb it.   Our government would have to try and spend their way out of it, so even if after spending a few years building infrastructure and finding new trading partners, our national debt would be considerably larger, which makes us more vulnerable, and what not.

    While were the biggest trading partner to the US, the percentages are pretty lopsided.  I think Tariff's create an inflationary problem for the U.S. (or make the current problem even worse), as they pay higher prices for the stuff the import from us, have to pay more to import from elsewhere, or spend a lot on resources to create internal capacity.      Still I think we're looking at a mega recession vs. inflation problem, so I think outcome is a bit lopsided.

    If America decided to invade and take our country.  Most of us our soft.  Our military is small and woefully underfunding.  I think we'd be like one of the first countries to get "annexed" by Germany in WWII.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic, but even when we Canadian say will give hell to the U.S. if they do wrong by us, I don't even think most Canadians realize how bad it could get.  It's why our politicians continue to wait for the U.S. to make the first move, because they don't want to bring this on us, if they don't have too.

    I suppose the question is, how likely do we think the U.S. administration is to do the tariff's .  They're inflation is already creeping back up.   If Trump throws out all these free trade agreements, it will drive up prices in the U.S., and maybe the people that voted for him, but aren't 100% die hard MAGA's revolt when the inflation starts to climb.
    The response to the truckers, wouldn’t, and shouldn’t be, equal to that of an invasion from another country. Come on. 

    It’s like saying we couldn’t handle a rat infestation because we let a few mosquitoes bother us at a bbq. 

    Trump’s tariffs will last as long as the American consumer and business sectors will tolerate it. Then he’ll back off, claiming they worked, while winning nothing in the end. 

    I mean we did let our version of MAGA occupy our capital city for three weeks, plus blocked our borders for a number of days.   The only thing I take offense with is that it did get handled, it just took a bit of time.
    You are exaggerating the blocking of our border (2 border crossings for a short period of time) and the occupation of our capital (a few streets).

    At no point was our democracy in question.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,998
    Bannon is not 100% wrong. Will Canada be able to keep China and Russia out of the Arctic, without compromising security for the continent?


    ”“The new great game of the 21st century is going to be the Arctic. It’s already a great power struggle between the Chinese Communist Party and the Russians up there. Canada’s former most secure border, your northern provinces are now your soft underbelly,” Bannon said.
    SteveO should put the risk board away and remember that Canada has two other staunch allies, nuclear powers, I might add. ‘Murica isn’t as indispensable as it thinks. Regardless, Canada and the EU now know what the Middle East has known for decades, you can’t trust the ‘Muricans.
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,689
    dignin said:
    Zod said:
    Zod said:
    That poster isn't wrong, we did have a problem with the uneducated truckers.  They occupied our capital and blocked our border for a period of time.  

    I do find the whole thing tough.  In a tariff war, I think we hurt a lot more than the US hurts.  I think a lot of Canadians and Americans underestimate the impact it will have on us.   It'll slow down exports to the US, which results in layoffs, which results in those people buying less, defaulting on mortgages, and we'd go into a pretty big recession.   Our government spent a lot of money during covid, and our economy is already a bit soft, so we don't have slack to absorb it.   Our government would have to try and spend their way out of it, so even if after spending a few years building infrastructure and finding new trading partners, our national debt would be considerably larger, which makes us more vulnerable, and what not.

    While were the biggest trading partner to the US, the percentages are pretty lopsided.  I think Tariff's create an inflationary problem for the U.S. (or make the current problem even worse), as they pay higher prices for the stuff the import from us, have to pay more to import from elsewhere, or spend a lot on resources to create internal capacity.      Still I think we're looking at a mega recession vs. inflation problem, so I think outcome is a bit lopsided.

    If America decided to invade and take our country.  Most of us our soft.  Our military is small and woefully underfunding.  I think we'd be like one of the first countries to get "annexed" by Germany in WWII.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic, but even when we Canadian say will give hell to the U.S. if they do wrong by us, I don't even think most Canadians realize how bad it could get.  It's why our politicians continue to wait for the U.S. to make the first move, because they don't want to bring this on us, if they don't have too.

    I suppose the question is, how likely do we think the U.S. administration is to do the tariff's .  They're inflation is already creeping back up.   If Trump throws out all these free trade agreements, it will drive up prices in the U.S., and maybe the people that voted for him, but aren't 100% die hard MAGA's revolt when the inflation starts to climb.
    The response to the truckers, wouldn’t, and shouldn’t be, equal to that of an invasion from another country. Come on. 

    It’s like saying we couldn’t handle a rat infestation because we let a few mosquitoes bother us at a bbq. 

    Trump’s tariffs will last as long as the American consumer and business sectors will tolerate it. Then he’ll back off, claiming they worked, while winning nothing in the end. 

    I mean we did let our version of MAGA occupy our capital city for three weeks, plus blocked our borders for a number of days.   The only thing I take offense with is that it did get handled, it just took a bit of time.
    You are exaggerating the blocking of our border (2 border crossings for a short period of time) and the occupation of our capital (a few streets).

    At no point was our democracy in question.
    Completely agree.

    Sadly my take is that we can’t, in a practical sense defend ourselves, especially from our southern neighbour. Part of that is successive governments underfunding our military, but it’s more a simple equation of the numbers.

    For decades now I’ve been saying that someday Canada will wake up and be American, mainly when our resources become too tempting. I figured this was decades, if not centuries, from occurring but aren’t so sure under the current rhetoric.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,041
    Some people seem to forget those organizations called NATO and the UN. 

    Trump is not invading. 

    And to suggest he’ll do it by strong arming us, would be economical suicide. 

    Just another doge-straction. 
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,778
    Some people seem to forget those organizations called NATO and the UN. 

    Trump is not invading. 

    And to suggest he’ll do it by strong arming us, would be economical suicide. 

    Just another doge-straction. 
    agreed. 

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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,742
    dignin said:
    Zod said:
    Zod said:
    That poster isn't wrong, we did have a problem with the uneducated truckers.  They occupied our capital and blocked our border for a period of time.  

    I do find the whole thing tough.  In a tariff war, I think we hurt a lot more than the US hurts.  I think a lot of Canadians and Americans underestimate the impact it will have on us.   It'll slow down exports to the US, which results in layoffs, which results in those people buying less, defaulting on mortgages, and we'd go into a pretty big recession.   Our government spent a lot of money during covid, and our economy is already a bit soft, so we don't have slack to absorb it.   Our government would have to try and spend their way out of it, so even if after spending a few years building infrastructure and finding new trading partners, our national debt would be considerably larger, which makes us more vulnerable, and what not.

    While were the biggest trading partner to the US, the percentages are pretty lopsided.  I think Tariff's create an inflationary problem for the U.S. (or make the current problem even worse), as they pay higher prices for the stuff the import from us, have to pay more to import from elsewhere, or spend a lot on resources to create internal capacity.      Still I think we're looking at a mega recession vs. inflation problem, so I think outcome is a bit lopsided.

    If America decided to invade and take our country.  Most of us our soft.  Our military is small and woefully underfunding.  I think we'd be like one of the first countries to get "annexed" by Germany in WWII.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic, but even when we Canadian say will give hell to the U.S. if they do wrong by us, I don't even think most Canadians realize how bad it could get.  It's why our politicians continue to wait for the U.S. to make the first move, because they don't want to bring this on us, if they don't have too.

    I suppose the question is, how likely do we think the U.S. administration is to do the tariff's .  They're inflation is already creeping back up.   If Trump throws out all these free trade agreements, it will drive up prices in the U.S., and maybe the people that voted for him, but aren't 100% die hard MAGA's revolt when the inflation starts to climb.
    The response to the truckers, wouldn’t, and shouldn’t be, equal to that of an invasion from another country. Come on. 

    It’s like saying we couldn’t handle a rat infestation because we let a few mosquitoes bother us at a bbq. 

    Trump’s tariffs will last as long as the American consumer and business sectors will tolerate it. Then he’ll back off, claiming they worked, while winning nothing in the end. 

    I mean we did let our version of MAGA occupy our capital city for three weeks, plus blocked our borders for a number of days.   The only thing I take offense with is that it did get handled, it just took a bit of time.
    You are exaggerating the blocking of our border (2 border crossings for a short period of time) and the occupation of our capital (a few streets).

    At no point was our democracy in question.
    Completely agree.

    Sadly my take is that we can’t, in a practical sense defend ourselves, especially from our southern neighbour. Part of that is successive governments underfunding our military, but it’s more a simple equation of the numbers.

    For decades now I’ve been saying that someday Canada will wake up and be American, mainly when our resources become too tempting. I figured this was decades, if not centuries, from occurring but aren’t so sure under the current rhetoric.
    Agreed.  That's how i've always felt.  I figured they'd be civil until they need what they have, then civility ends.  Either our resources or for northern migration when global warming had a bigger impact.  Like you I was thinking were a long ways from that point.  Didn't think it would feel this immenent.  Hopefully it doesn't happen for a long while.
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,742
    dignin said:
    Zod said:
    Zod said:
    That poster isn't wrong, we did have a problem with the uneducated truckers.  They occupied our capital and blocked our border for a period of time.  

    I do find the whole thing tough.  In a tariff war, I think we hurt a lot more than the US hurts.  I think a lot of Canadians and Americans underestimate the impact it will have on us.   It'll slow down exports to the US, which results in layoffs, which results in those people buying less, defaulting on mortgages, and we'd go into a pretty big recession.   Our government spent a lot of money during covid, and our economy is already a bit soft, so we don't have slack to absorb it.   Our government would have to try and spend their way out of it, so even if after spending a few years building infrastructure and finding new trading partners, our national debt would be considerably larger, which makes us more vulnerable, and what not.

    While were the biggest trading partner to the US, the percentages are pretty lopsided.  I think Tariff's create an inflationary problem for the U.S. (or make the current problem even worse), as they pay higher prices for the stuff the import from us, have to pay more to import from elsewhere, or spend a lot on resources to create internal capacity.      Still I think we're looking at a mega recession vs. inflation problem, so I think outcome is a bit lopsided.

    If America decided to invade and take our country.  Most of us our soft.  Our military is small and woefully underfunding.  I think we'd be like one of the first countries to get "annexed" by Germany in WWII.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic, but even when we Canadian say will give hell to the U.S. if they do wrong by us, I don't even think most Canadians realize how bad it could get.  It's why our politicians continue to wait for the U.S. to make the first move, because they don't want to bring this on us, if they don't have too.

    I suppose the question is, how likely do we think the U.S. administration is to do the tariff's .  They're inflation is already creeping back up.   If Trump throws out all these free trade agreements, it will drive up prices in the U.S., and maybe the people that voted for him, but aren't 100% die hard MAGA's revolt when the inflation starts to climb.
    The response to the truckers, wouldn’t, and shouldn’t be, equal to that of an invasion from another country. Come on. 

    It’s like saying we couldn’t handle a rat infestation because we let a few mosquitoes bother us at a bbq. 

    Trump’s tariffs will last as long as the American consumer and business sectors will tolerate it. Then he’ll back off, claiming they worked, while winning nothing in the end. 

    I mean we did let our version of MAGA occupy our capital city for three weeks, plus blocked our borders for a number of days.   The only thing I take offense with is that it did get handled, it just took a bit of time.
    You are exaggerating the blocking of our border (2 border crossings for a short period of time) and the occupation of our capital (a few streets).

    At no point was our democracy in question.
    Sorry, I missed that part of the argument.  Yaj it was an amnoyance, but you're right our demcracy wasn't at risk from it.

    It did make is all embarassed to wear Canadian Flags for a few years :(
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,351
    Zod said:
    dignin said:
    Zod said:
    Zod said:
    That poster isn't wrong, we did have a problem with the uneducated truckers.  They occupied our capital and blocked our border for a period of time.  

    I do find the whole thing tough.  In a tariff war, I think we hurt a lot more than the US hurts.  I think a lot of Canadians and Americans underestimate the impact it will have on us.   It'll slow down exports to the US, which results in layoffs, which results in those people buying less, defaulting on mortgages, and we'd go into a pretty big recession.   Our government spent a lot of money during covid, and our economy is already a bit soft, so we don't have slack to absorb it.   Our government would have to try and spend their way out of it, so even if after spending a few years building infrastructure and finding new trading partners, our national debt would be considerably larger, which makes us more vulnerable, and what not.

    While were the biggest trading partner to the US, the percentages are pretty lopsided.  I think Tariff's create an inflationary problem for the U.S. (or make the current problem even worse), as they pay higher prices for the stuff the import from us, have to pay more to import from elsewhere, or spend a lot on resources to create internal capacity.      Still I think we're looking at a mega recession vs. inflation problem, so I think outcome is a bit lopsided.

    If America decided to invade and take our country.  Most of us our soft.  Our military is small and woefully underfunding.  I think we'd be like one of the first countries to get "annexed" by Germany in WWII.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic, but even when we Canadian say will give hell to the U.S. if they do wrong by us, I don't even think most Canadians realize how bad it could get.  It's why our politicians continue to wait for the U.S. to make the first move, because they don't want to bring this on us, if they don't have too.

    I suppose the question is, how likely do we think the U.S. administration is to do the tariff's .  They're inflation is already creeping back up.   If Trump throws out all these free trade agreements, it will drive up prices in the U.S., and maybe the people that voted for him, but aren't 100% die hard MAGA's revolt when the inflation starts to climb.
    The response to the truckers, wouldn’t, and shouldn’t be, equal to that of an invasion from another country. Come on. 

    It’s like saying we couldn’t handle a rat infestation because we let a few mosquitoes bother us at a bbq. 

    Trump’s tariffs will last as long as the American consumer and business sectors will tolerate it. Then he’ll back off, claiming they worked, while winning nothing in the end. 

    I mean we did let our version of MAGA occupy our capital city for three weeks, plus blocked our borders for a number of days.   The only thing I take offense with is that it did get handled, it just took a bit of time.
    You are exaggerating the blocking of our border (2 border crossings for a short period of time) and the occupation of our capital (a few streets).

    At no point was our democracy in question.
    Sorry, I missed that part of the argument.  Yaj it was an amnoyance, but you're right our demcracy wasn't at risk from it.

    It did make is all embarassed to wear Canadian Flags for a few years :(
    Yeah, it was a real drag to feel shitty about the flag. I hate those people for doing that.

    The real interesting thing for me is how it took Trump in conjunction with the 4 Nations Cup to make me feel all warm and fuzzy about our flag again. I'm a simple man.
  • Hawk123Hawk123 Posts: 2,293
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    The 51st state is getting tiring, he’s such a clown. He’s so stupid that it sounds like he’s saying Canada has far lower taxes and stronger security. 


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,998
    Hawk123 said:
    The 51st state is getting tiring, he’s such a clown. He’s so stupid that it sounds like he’s saying Canada has far lower taxes and stronger security. 


    He’s such a fucking embarrassment.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,905
    Hawk123 said:
    The 51st state is getting tiring, he’s such a clown. He’s so stupid that it sounds like he’s saying Canada has far lower taxes and stronger security. 




    He is clearly and repeatedly offering statehood. I get that Canadians don’t trust that offer and think it’s more of a territory offer, but y’all should be playing him at his communication game. Take him up on specifically statehood, those electoral votes and congress reps are worth trillions. The clock is ticking, odds are he will not be able to get a third term, run down the 24 second clock with him with praise and love. 

    Insist on statehood, the reps and votes that go with it, and your current health system if you want it. If he starts to quiver, fight him at his communication game. Say we want to be one with the states but willing to start hostilities if he doesn’t keep his word about statehood (threaten embargoes, ban all travel, troops at the border, etc). It’s all a communication game. Tell everyone you want peace and the offer.

    He is a clown, but his power is unrivaled. Putting down America and Americans is not going to word. Tell him you love the idea. Poker.


    Thankfully he can’t attend the big game tonight. At least take back hockey from us. Please.
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    Trump adds lumber to list of goods facing tariffs over 'next month or sooner' - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-will-announce-range-tariffs-over-next-month-or-sooner-2025-02-19/
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,041
    this isn't poker. this has real life consequences for millions of people, not to mention world markets that would go apeshit if we even quivered at entertaining the thought, whether it was playing with him or not. come on. what a ridiculous idea. 
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  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,967
    Hawk123 said:
    The 51st state is getting tiring, he’s such a clown. He’s so stupid that it sounds like he’s saying Canada has far lower taxes and stronger security. 


    Some responsible adult/s NEED to take his keys away from him, before he hurts us all?
  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,778
    edited February 20
    Hawk123 said:
    The 51st state is getting tiring, he’s such a clown. He’s so stupid that it sounds like he’s saying Canada has far lower taxes and stronger security. 




    He is clearly and repeatedly offering statehood. I get that Canadians don’t trust that offer and think it’s more of a territory offer, but y’all should be playing him at his communication game. Take him up on specifically statehood, those electoral votes and congress reps are worth trillions. The clock is ticking, odds are he will not be able to get a third term, run down the 24 second clock with him with praise and love. 

    Insist on statehood, the reps and votes that go with it, and your current health system if you want it. If he starts to quiver, fight him at his communication game. Say we want to be one with the states but willing to start hostilities if he doesn’t keep his word about statehood (threaten embargoes, ban all travel, troops at the border, etc). It’s all a communication game. Tell everyone you want peace and the offer.

    He is a clown, but his power is unrivaled. Putting down America and Americans is not going to word. Tell him you love the idea. Poker.


    Thankfully he can’t attend the big game tonight. At least take back hockey from us. Please.
    I honestly completely understand what you're saying.  However... 

    Words have consequences. Games have consequences. A joke is sometimes funny to some people, but outright offensive to others. 

    I'm assuming that pissing off Canadians is part of whatever strategy he has. And personally... I'd just as soon rather dismiss this dooshbag. But he IS President. He DOES have power. And he is talking some seriously disrespectful shit. 

    To put this into what would be considered a wrong, and irrational choice ....  if an American walked into my local pub.... and began saying the same shit Trump is .. and the same shit Fox News is saying....  that person is 100% getting the snot beat out of him. Of that, I have zero doubt.  

    America became a country by telling a perceived bully  (Britain) to fuck right off... and you all seem super proud about that. It's something to keep in mind. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,327
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    Trump's little "jokes" about annexing places, being president for life, etc. are not jokes. They're market research.
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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 517
    dignin said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    You showed your ignorance with that last sentence.
    Great argument. You convinced me.
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