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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 534
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    you might want to sit this one out. 

    Capitol Riot of Jan 6 2021  The First Amendment Encyclopedia
    Great point. I voted for Kamala.
    1996: 9/29 Randall's Island 2,  10/1 Buffalo                  2000: 8/27 Saratoga Springs
    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 534
    PJ_Soul said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....



    I honestly don't really understand what you are trying to say here... Can you expand on your thoughts, assuming you understand anything?
    I thought it was clear.  I replied to a post that said most Americans don't understand Canadians. I established my credentials. And then I asked exactly what you all planned since you "weren't going to roll over."  Thanks for attempting to talk down to me though, I expect that from AMTLibs. 
    1996: 9/29 Randall's Island 2,  10/1 Buffalo                  2000: 8/27 Saratoga Springs
    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 534
    edited February 20
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    If “I’m not racist cuz I have one black friend” were a post about Canada. 
    Holy smokes, you replied to me on the 18th, stewed about it, and then came back a day later to attempt to insult me again? You should probably seek some healthcare for that anger management.  Seriously, that shit will take years off your life.
    Post edited by seanwon on
    1996: 9/29 Randall's Island 2,  10/1 Buffalo                  2000: 8/27 Saratoga Springs
    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,661
    yes. I stayed up all night trying to come up with my best zinger. you got me. wow. you are so, so, smart. 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,661
    seanwon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....



    I honestly don't really understand what you are trying to say here... Can you expand on your thoughts, assuming you understand anything?
    I thought it was clear.  I replied to a post that said most Americans don't understand Canadians. I established my credentials. And then I asked exactly what you all planned since you "weren't going to roll over."  Thanks for attempting to talk down to me though, I expect that from AMTLibs. 
    seanwon said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    If “I’m not racist cuz I have one black friend” were a post about Canada. 
    Holy smokes, you replied to me on the 18th, stewed about it, and then came back a day later to attempt to insult me again? You should probably seek some healthcare for that anger management.  Seriously, that shit will take years off your life.
    yeah, you MIGHT want to take a gander in a mirror, there. 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • dignindignin Posts: 9,422
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    seanwon said:
    dignin said:
    If your ideas of how to deal with trump on the serious issue of annexation of a sovereign nation could be followed by the word “psych!”, I’m glad you aren’t in any decision-making or advisory role. 
    Yeah, no shit.

    It's revealing and not surprising how little America/Americans understand Canada/Canadians. We're taking this seriously unlike most of America who is sleepwalking into a dictatorship.

    We're not going to just rollover. 
    My best friend and his mom were born and raised in Canada. He moved next door to me when we were 9.  I have spent quite a bit of time up there throughout the years, I understand Canadians rather well. Fun place to visit. Where his family lived was rural, which I prefer. Wouldn't want to live there. 

    As far as you guys "not going to roll over," What are you going to do? You seemed to have a difficult time with some uneducated truckers....


    You showed your ignorance with that last sentence.
    Great argument. You convinced me.
    Look at the big brain thinking here. "I have a 9 year old friend from Canada."

    Your Canadian citizenship in the mail, you earned it.

    It may be worth shit wipe cause we're apparently gonna be the 51st state real soon, but, you know, enjoy that free healthcare while you can.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,223
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,661
    hunterh75 said:
    Good on Canadian hockey fans keep booing the American national anthem! 
    And it got their asses kicked the other night. 
     =) 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,223
    edited February 21
    I never thought I'd care about who won this 4 nations tournament so much, lol.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,790
    PJ_Soul said:

    I love Port Angeles.  It's pretty much the quickest/closest part of the US we can go to as there's a direct ferry from Victoria.  Been over there so many times.  We often refer to as our sister city.   Nice to see a little support over there.
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 1,502
    Congrats, Canada! 🫡🇨🇦
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,506
    I was rooting for CA last night...not ashamed to admit it
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,801
    As an addition to my previous post...  it is so remarkably suited that after I posted that, Mr. Trump referenced himself in a tweet or truth or whatever as the "King."  Because... of course he did.  Because... that is exactly what he wants and exactly what he is doing.  And every Republican and Trump supporter ought to have known this. The writing was remarkably on the wall.. or in these modern times on the small screen in front of you. 

    America, you are quickly (and seemingly proudly) becoming the thing you fought against and the thing you claimed to be proud to NOT be. 

    Congratulations. 
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    Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
    Boston I&II 2004
    Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
    Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
    Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,223
    edited February 21
    Wowee. Earthquake just happened in Vancouver! Too small for damage, but I really felt it and heard it, and it was kinda scary!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 1,502
    😳 

    Hope everyone is okay!
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,661
    crazy. this is literally the only reason I feel like maybe staying in the Siberian Prairies is the best idea for the next 30 years. 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,223
    edited February 21
    I'm sure everyone is fine - it was just big enough to be exciting, and for everyone to start posting about it on social media, haha, but that's it.... for now at least! It was a 5.1 apparently!
    Yeah HFD, I find it a little bit scary, since everyone is always talking about how "the big one" is inevitable.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 1,502
    edited February 21
    5.1

    51

    Canada

    🫣

    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • Original_ShiftyOriginal_Shifty Great White North Posts: 619
    edited February 21
    Yah, I felt a couple of strong jolts from that earthquake. Walls made a bit of cracking sound. Was about to dive under my dining room table but that's all there was.
    2011: Vancouver
    2013: LA 1 & LA 2, Vancouver
    2018: Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
    2022: LA 1 & LA 2
    2024: Vancouver 1 & Vancouver 2, Portland, Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
  • Original_ShiftyOriginal_Shifty Great White North Posts: 619

    2011: Vancouver
    2013: LA 1 & LA 2, Vancouver
    2018: Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
    2022: LA 1 & LA 2
    2024: Vancouver 1 & Vancouver 2, Portland, Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,141
    DE4173 said:
    5.1

    51

    Canada

    🫣

    Where is Elons boring company working these days? 😅
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 1,502

    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • ekwiptekwipt Vancouver Posts: 777
    This gave me a good laugh 😆 




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,661
    edited February 24

    In facing an imperialist neighbour, Ukraine offers a cautionary tale for Canada
    Lloyd Axworthy
    Published Yesterday
    Lloyd Axworthy is a former foreign minister and current chair of the World Refugee and Migration Council. He recently authored his memoir: Lloyd Axworthy: My Life in Politics.
    Canadians now face a stark reality: living beside a powerful neighbour presided over by an uber-President who seeks to erode our sovereignty and absorb us into his imperfect union.
    What was once dismissed as a joke or a negotiating tactic is beginning to look disturbingly real. Donald Trump wants Canada – not for our social-safety net, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms or our history of cultural tolerance, but for our resources: our minerals, water, oil and Arctic region.
    How far will he go? We already know he’s wielding tariffs as a weapon. We’ve seen his daily insults directed at our leaders, his mockery of our national identity – all well-worn techniques of ambitious autocrats.
    We should also brace for a more insidious threat: election interference. With his tech-obsessed ally Elon Musk, Mr. Trump will likely work to manipulate our upcoming election, amplifying far-right candidates and undermining trust in our democratic system. Compared to what these two could unleash, past Russian and Chinese meddling might seem amateurish, just softening us up for the kill.
    While the immediate focus is on the tariff war, the larger issue at stake is nothing less than Canada’s survival as an independent state. We must prepare our democracy to withstand the onslaught, and to do that, we should look to Ukraine – as a warning.
    In early 2019, then-foreign minister Chrystia Freeland asked me to lead the Canadian observer mission for Ukraine’s presidential election. She recognized this as a turning point in Ukraine’s democratic survival. Upon arrival, the threat was obvious. The Putin regime was working to discredit the election and install its loyalists in key positions. A previous pro-Kremlin Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych, had already tried to drag Ukraine back into Russia’s orbit – until Ukrainians forced him out. Yet Russia’s disinformation and intimidation tactics continued.
    Ukraine responded with unity, military preparedness and international partnerships. But here’s the sobering truth: despite all its resilience, despite the heroism of its people, Ukraine may soon find itself outmuscled. If Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin negotiate a settlement, Ukraine could be forced into territorial concessions or a weakened sovereignty.
    This should serve as a wake-up call for Canada. Ukraine’s struggle shows the dangers of underestimating authoritarian threats, of relying too much on U.S. protection, and of failing to build strong alliances. There are signs that Canadians are already pushing back – boycotting U.S. goods, cancelling winter vacations, voicing their defiance in arenas and grocery stores. But the real test is yet to come. Will we set aside partisan divides, power struggles and media bias to use our election as a unified rebuke of Mr. Trump’s delusions?
    Even former prime minister Stephen Harper – no stranger to economic pragmatism – said that citizens should “accept any level of damage” to ensure the country preserves its independence. Five former PMs called for Canadians to fly our flag.
    Parliament must now be recalled, ending its past churlish behaviour to pass an all-party resolution affirming Canadian independence, and asking Canadians to follow suit (and no, there should not be any non-confidence votes at this moment). Active efforts to overcome internal trade barriers must be a provincial priority, not just talking points. There must be reckoning on the financial plight of our colleges and universities following the snafu on international students. The recruitment for our military must be streamlined and peacekeeping restored as a career path. Housing the homeless is an imperative.
    Beyond our borders, we must forge new diplomatic and economic partnerships with allies who recognize the danger of Mr. Trump’s autocratic vision. The world order he seeks to dismantle – built on law, co-operation, and stability – must be defended.
    Canada should take bold action, starting with Ukraine. We should secure a defence agreement that deepens military ties, including procurement of Ukraine’s advanced drone technology for our Arctic security. No more hand-me-downs from the U.S. We should also signal to European allies, now rattled by JD Vance’s threats to gut NATO, that Canada remains steadfast in its commitments.
    Beyond defence, we should help in forging a multilateral effort to fill the void left by America’s retreat from global leadership. Canada has pioneered international initiatives before – on land mines, the International Criminal Court and human rights. Now, we must step up again to combat climate change, corruption and poverty. Our chairing of the G7 meetings this spring is a prime opportunity – and Russia should not be in attendance, no matter how hard Mr. Trump tries to swing an invite.
    Ukraine’s experience is not just a lesson in defiance – it’s a cautionary tale. Canada must act now, while we still have the power to shape our own future.
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • dignindignin Posts: 9,422

    In facing an imperialist neighbour, Ukraine offers a cautionary tale for Canada
    Lloyd Axworthy
    Published Yesterday
    Lloyd Axworthy is a former foreign minister and current chair of the World Refugee and Migration Council. He recently authored his memoir: Lloyd Axworthy: My Life in Politics.
    Canadians now face a stark reality: living beside a powerful neighbour presided over by an uber-President who seeks to erode our sovereignty and absorb us into his imperfect union.
    What was once dismissed as a joke or a negotiating tactic is beginning to look disturbingly real. Donald Trump wants Canada – not for our social-safety net, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms or our history of cultural tolerance, but for our resources: our minerals, water, oil and Arctic region.
    How far will he go? We already know he’s wielding tariffs as a weapon. We’ve seen his daily insults directed at our leaders, his mockery of our national identity – all well-worn techniques of ambitious autocrats.
    We should also brace for a more insidious threat: election interference. With his tech-obsessed ally Elon Musk, Mr. Trump will likely work to manipulate our upcoming election, amplifying far-right candidates and undermining trust in our democratic system. Compared to what these two could unleash, past Russian and Chinese meddling might seem amateurish, just softening us up for the kill.
    While the immediate focus is on the tariff war, the larger issue at stake is nothing less than Canada’s survival as an independent state. We must prepare our democracy to withstand the onslaught, and to do that, we should look to Ukraine – as a warning.
    In early 2019, then-foreign minister Chrystia Freeland asked me to lead the Canadian observer mission for Ukraine’s presidential election. She recognized this as a turning point in Ukraine’s democratic survival. Upon arrival, the threat was obvious. The Putin regime was working to discredit the election and install its loyalists in key positions. A previous pro-Kremlin Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych, had already tried to drag Ukraine back into Russia’s orbit – until Ukrainians forced him out. Yet Russia’s disinformation and intimidation tactics continued.
    Ukraine responded with unity, military preparedness and international partnerships. But here’s the sobering truth: despite all its resilience, despite the heroism of its people, Ukraine may soon find itself outmuscled. If Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin negotiate a settlement, Ukraine could be forced into territorial concessions or a weakened sovereignty.
    This should serve as a wake-up call for Canada. Ukraine’s struggle shows the dangers of underestimating authoritarian threats, of relying too much on U.S. protection, and of failing to build strong alliances. There are signs that Canadians are already pushing back – boycotting U.S. goods, cancelling winter vacations, voicing their defiance in arenas and grocery stores. But the real test is yet to come. Will we set aside partisan divides, power struggles and media bias to use our election as a unified rebuke of Mr. Trump’s delusions?
    Even former prime minister Stephen Harper – no stranger to economic pragmatism – said that citizens should “accept any level of damage” to ensure the country preserves its independence. Five former PMs called for Canadians to fly our flag.
    Parliament must now be recalled, ending its past churlish behaviour to pass an all-party resolution affirming Canadian independence, and asking Canadians to follow suit (and no, there should not be any non-confidence votes at this moment). Active efforts to overcome internal trade barriers must be a provincial priority, not just talking points. There must be reckoning on the financial plight of our colleges and universities following the snafu on international students. The recruitment for our military must be streamlined and peacekeeping restored as a career path. Housing the homeless is an imperative.
    Beyond our borders, we must forge new diplomatic and economic partnerships with allies who recognize the danger of Mr. Trump’s autocratic vision. The world order he seeks to dismantle – built on law, co-operation, and stability – must be defended.
    Canada should take bold action, starting with Ukraine. We should secure a defence agreement that deepens military ties, including procurement of Ukraine’s advanced drone technology for our Arctic security. No more hand-me-downs from the U.S. We should also signal to European allies, now rattled by JD Vance’s threats to gut NATO, that Canada remains steadfast in its commitments.
    Beyond defence, we should help in forging a multilateral effort to fill the void left by America’s retreat from global leadership. Canada has pioneered international initiatives before – on land mines, the International Criminal Court and human rights. Now, we must step up again to combat climate change, corruption and poverty. Our chairing of the G7 meetings this spring is a prime opportunity – and Russia should not be in attendance, no matter how hard Mr. Trump tries to swing an invite.
    Ukraine’s experience is not just a lesson in defiance – it’s a cautionary tale. Canada must act now, while we still have the power to shape our own future.
    Correct 
  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,797
    Isn’t it great that we have a capable and fully functioning government to address the current situation and we’re not being held hostage as much by internal party politics as we are the Americans?

    For the record I don’t agree with Doug Ford’s unnecessary election but think one has been urgently needed federally for weeks or months.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • jhager79jhager79 Kitchener Ontario Posts: 272
    Zod said:
    dignin said:
    Zod said:
    Zod said:
    That poster isn't wrong, we did have a problem with the uneducated truckers.  They occupied our capital and blocked our border for a period of time.  

    I do find the whole thing tough.  In a tariff war, I think we hurt a lot more than the US hurts.  I think a lot of Canadians and Americans underestimate the impact it will have on us.   It'll slow down exports to the US, which results in layoffs, which results in those people buying less, defaulting on mortgages, and we'd go into a pretty big recession.   Our government spent a lot of money during covid, and our economy is already a bit soft, so we don't have slack to absorb it.   Our government would have to try and spend their way out of it, so even if after spending a few years building infrastructure and finding new trading partners, our national debt would be considerably larger, which makes us more vulnerable, and what not.

    While were the biggest trading partner to the US, the percentages are pretty lopsided.  I think Tariff's create an inflationary problem for the U.S. (or make the current problem even worse), as they pay higher prices for the stuff the import from us, have to pay more to import from elsewhere, or spend a lot on resources to create internal capacity.      Still I think we're looking at a mega recession vs. inflation problem, so I think outcome is a bit lopsided.

    If America decided to invade and take our country.  Most of us our soft.  Our military is small and woefully underfunding.  I think we'd be like one of the first countries to get "annexed" by Germany in WWII.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic, but even when we Canadian say will give hell to the U.S. if they do wrong by us, I don't even think most Canadians realize how bad it could get.  It's why our politicians continue to wait for the U.S. to make the first move, because they don't want to bring this on us, if they don't have too.

    I suppose the question is, how likely do we think the U.S. administration is to do the tariff's .  They're inflation is already creeping back up.   If Trump throws out all these free trade agreements, it will drive up prices in the U.S., and maybe the people that voted for him, but aren't 100% die hard MAGA's revolt when the inflation starts to climb.
    The response to the truckers, wouldn’t, and shouldn’t be, equal to that of an invasion from another country. Come on. 

    It’s like saying we couldn’t handle a rat infestation because we let a few mosquitoes bother us at a bbq. 

    Trump’s tariffs will last as long as the American consumer and business sectors will tolerate it. Then he’ll back off, claiming they worked, while winning nothing in the end. 

    I mean we did let our version of MAGA occupy our capital city for three weeks, plus blocked our borders for a number of days.   The only thing I take offense with is that it did get handled, it just took a bit of time.
    You are exaggerating the blocking of our border (2 border crossings for a short period of time) and the occupation of our capital (a few streets).

    At no point was our democracy in question.
    Sorry, I missed that part of the argument.  Yaj it was an amnoyance, but you're right our demcracy wasn't at risk from it.

    It did make is all embarassed to wear Canadian Flags for a few years :(
    Says you, not once have I ever been embarrassed by the Canadian flag. Have proudly flown one outside of my home for the past 18 years and until it was stolen it flew beside an American flag as well.
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    a lot of us were embarrassed at how it was highjacked for a cause very few actually supported. 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,422
    edited February 25
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    dignin said:
    The Canadian government has been warned if we retaliate the US will hit us harder.

    Chin up fellow canucks. Fuck them and let's dig in.

    So, does that mean "fuck you" to all of us in the U.S., even if we are strongly against the tariffs, even if, as I just did above, acknowledge our feeling friendly toward Canada and Canadians, even if we abhor what is being done.  Great, just a big "fuck you" to all of us?  Jesus Christ, man.  Fuck that.
    I don’t think that’s what dignin meant. 
    Definitely not. The beef is with the current American government and every American who voted for it.

    We've only been given a 30 day reprieve, this shit will be back in the news in a couple of weeks.

    This isn't about the border.

    I figure it's one of 2 things, the orange dummy actually thinks he will take Canada or he's doing exactly what Putin told him to do. Either way this isn't over.



    And the eye of orangeone has fixed its gaze north yet again.

    Trump says he'll hit Canadian goods with 25% tariff next week after month-long pause
    'The tariffs are going forward on time, on schedule,' U.S. president says


    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-tariffs-next-week-1.7467202
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    Paying for every meal in packed Canadian restaurant, U.S. couple apologizes for Trump politics

    Co-owner of Toast in Windsor, Ont., says cheers erupted during Saturday's lunch hour


    Hermiz said the woman told patrons "she hates what the United States is doing to us and she doesn't support it. And she's so happy we won the hockey game and it's a little token of appreciation for Canadians and how much she loves us and how much she loves supporting local."

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