Canadian Politics Redux

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Had to look it up, Fuck Around Find Out. If only that principle were applied equally I could live with it, but we’re nowhere close to that.

Parliament was in such danger during the convoy protest that the only day they didn’t sit was the day the police moved in under the auspices of the EA.

A week or two ago a group occupied the building that houses MPs offices in Ottawa, no mass arrests or frozen bank accounts.

Flashback to pre-covid and the occupation of our rail networks, no EA, occupiers were allowed to rip up or burn court injunctions in the police’s faces.

To say nothing of the regular hate rallies that walk into Jewish neighbourhoods here in Toronto. You’re seemingly only arrested if you’re observing the protest as a member of Rebel News.

Fuck Around Find Out if you’re not a member of certain preferred groups.

no disrespect intended...  you're leaving out substantial context. 

In my opinion (and I suspect this is shared by many for what it's worth) the two giant pieces of context you're leaving out is that the EA was used under two very important circumstances: 

1: The Convoy was directly impacting 2 national economies. 

2: Biden contacted Trudeau the day before the EA was used. To me, that's not a co-incidence. 

Add these two together. 

Now you can still opine about whether or not it was justified from a legal standpoint, fair enough. 

In my opinion however, under those two very important circumstances, if you think guys like Stephen Harper or Pierre Polievre wouldn't do the exact same thing (if not worse), then my friend, I have some unicorn fur to sell you. 

Now interestingly... said Pierre Polievre would have us think that the Liberals are all about dividing and identity politics. Yet here we are, talking about the sides and divisiveness and talking about how one side treats the others differently yadda yadda... a big ole' blame game against Trudeau and the Liberals. All the while leaving out said important context. 

Hopefully it makes you think... maybe it's not about divisiveness and identity politics... maybe it's just about money and power. And both sides are equally interested in those things. And both sides do the same greasy shit to get it.  

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Had to look it up, Fuck Around Find Out. If only that principle were applied equally I could live with it, but we’re nowhere close to that.

Parliament was in such danger during the convoy protest that the only day they didn’t sit was the day the police moved in under the auspices of the EA.

A week or two ago a group occupied the building that houses MPs offices in Ottawa, no mass arrests or frozen bank accounts.

Flashback to pre-covid and the occupation of our rail networks, no EA, occupiers were allowed to rip up or burn court injunctions in the police’s faces.

To say nothing of the regular hate rallies that walk into Jewish neighbourhoods here in Toronto. You’re seemingly only arrested if you’re observing the protest as a member of Rebel News.

Fuck Around Find Out if you’re not a member of certain preferred groups.

no disrespect intended...  you're leaving out substantial context. 

In my opinion (and I suspect this is shared by many for what it's worth) the two giant pieces of context you're leaving out is that the EA was used under two very important circumstances: 

1: The Convoy was directly impacting 2 national economies. 

2: Biden contacted Trudeau the day before the EA was used. To me, that's not a co-incidence. 

Add these two together. 

Now you can still opine about whether or not it was justified from a legal standpoint, fair enough. 

In my opinion however, under those two very important circumstances, if you think guys like Stephen Harper or Pierre Polievre wouldn't do the exact same thing (if not worse), then my friend, I have some unicorn fur to sell you. 

Now interestingly... said Pierre Polievre would have us think that the Liberals are all about dividing and identity politics. Yet here we are, talking about the sides and divisiveness and talking about how one side treats the others differently yadda yadda... a big ole' blame game against Trudeau and the Liberals. All the while leaving out said important context. 

Hopefully it makes you think... maybe it's not about divisiveness and identity politics... maybe it's just about money and power. And both sides are equally interested in those things. And both sides do the same greasy shit to get it.  

The border were cleared (economic damage) prior to the invocation of the EA.

This should be a black and white issue: are we ALL equal under the law, as the Charter claims, or not?

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Had to look it up, Fuck Around Find Out. If only that principle were applied equally I could live with it, but we’re nowhere close to that.

Parliament was in such danger during the convoy protest that the only day they didn’t sit was the day the police moved in under the auspices of the EA.

A week or two ago a group occupied the building that houses MPs offices in Ottawa, no mass arrests or frozen bank accounts.

Flashback to pre-covid and the occupation of our rail networks, no EA, occupiers were allowed to rip up or burn court injunctions in the police’s faces.

To say nothing of the regular hate rallies that walk into Jewish neighbourhoods here in Toronto. You’re seemingly only arrested if you’re observing the protest as a member of Rebel News.

Fuck Around Find Out if you’re not a member of certain preferred groups.

no disrespect intended...  you're leaving out substantial context. 

In my opinion (and I suspect this is shared by many for what it's worth) the two giant pieces of context you're leaving out is that the EA was used under two very important circumstances: 

1: The Convoy was directly impacting 2 national economies. 

2: Biden contacted Trudeau the day before the EA was used. To me, that's not a co-incidence. 

Add these two together. 

Now you can still opine about whether or not it was justified from a legal standpoint, fair enough. 

In my opinion however, under those two very important circumstances, if you think guys like Stephen Harper or Pierre Polievre wouldn't do the exact same thing (if not worse), then my friend, I have some unicorn fur to sell you. 

Now interestingly... said Pierre Polievre would have us think that the Liberals are all about dividing and identity politics. Yet here we are, talking about the sides and divisiveness and talking about how one side treats the others differently yadda yadda... a big ole' blame game against Trudeau and the Liberals. All the while leaving out said important context. 

Hopefully it makes you think... maybe it's not about divisiveness and identity politics... maybe it's just about money and power. And both sides are equally interested in those things. And both sides do the same greasy shit to get it.  

The border were cleared (economic damage) prior to the invocation of the EA.

This should be a black and white issue: are we ALL equal under the law, as the Charter claims, or not?

well the easy answer here is no  lol  ... The only upside here is that to a certain extent, we're not as bad as the USA.   But political influence etc. will always play a part. To your point or desire... if we were all equal, Trudeau would have been found guilty of and punished for the SNC Lavalin interference scandal. 

HughFreakingDillon

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6591446 as I said in the trump thread, good on ya Doug Ford, and fuck you danielle smith. 

Zod

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6591446 as I said in the trump thread, good on ya Doug Ford, and fuck you danielle smith. 

We do weird things in Canada, but I hope we don't end up in position where the US tariff's manufactured products and leaves raw materials without a tariff.  That would be horrible for economic growth, letting other countries continue to manufacture all our stuff.

Maybe we need to follow where the world is going, with protectionism, and start reducing our reliance on other countries, and manufacture things for ourselves.

Of course we struggle with economies of scale, and most people would rather invest in real estate, which is less productive :(

HughFreakingDillon

Jesus. JT asks Freeland (deputy PM/finance minister) to resign; offers her another cabinet position; she flips him the bird. 😳 😂 

HughFreakingDillon

She posts this to social media hours before she was to deliver the economic update. 

I agree with a lot of what her statement said about “political gimmicks” and a “united front” with the premiers. I guess it really is time for him to go. Whatever you think of him, all his chaos has lost him the confidence of Canadians and fellow leadership. 

No chance he wins next year, if he even lasts that long. 

erebus

Hopefully he hasn't totally killed the Liberal party for the next election. 
I really cannot stand the current Conservatives under PP. 
Once again,  we need electoral reform so we can vote for who we want and not have to do it strategically to keep someone out...

Spunkie

Zod said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6591446 as I said in the trump thread, good on ya Doug Ford, and fuck you danielle smith. 

We do weird things in Canada, but I hope we don't end up in position where the US tariff's manufactured products and leaves raw materials without a tariff.  That would be horrible for economic growth, letting other countries continue to manufacture all our stuff.

Maybe we need to follow where the world is going, with protectionism, and start reducing our reliance on other countries, and manufacture things for ourselves.

Of course we struggle with economies of scale, and most people would rather invest in real estate, which is less productive :(

We started making opiates so that's a great start! 

Didn't we just expand so we can send them our oil and make a new agreement so they could get our water.

Zod

Spunkie said:

Zod said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6591446 as I said in the trump thread, good on ya Doug Ford, and fuck you danielle smith. 

We do weird things in Canada, but I hope we don't end up in position where the US tariff's manufactured products and leaves raw materials without a tariff.  That would be horrible for economic growth, letting other countries continue to manufacture all our stuff.

Maybe we need to follow where the world is going, with protectionism, and start reducing our reliance on other countries, and manufacture things for ourselves.

Of course we struggle with economies of scale, and most people would rather invest in real estate, which is less productive :(

We started making opiates so that's a great start! 

Didn't we just expand so we can send them our oil and make a new agreement so they could get our water.

Yes to the oil.  I think they are the primary benefactors of the twinned transmoutain pipeline.

Water, I don't think so, except maybe specifically the Columbia River Treaty, I read that was being renogitiated, which to be honest, I'm not sure why we negotiate.  If the water originates in our country, are we that worry about how much makes it into the US?  Regardless, I think it's an agreement how much we ensure flows south of the border, not so much selling the water.

Generally though, water is protected through NAFTA, and if we ever started to sell it, it becomes unprotected, which means foreign corporations are free to come up here and extract as much of it as they want.  As long as we don't sell it, NAFTA protects it.

I guess it may not matter it NAFTA (UMSCA?) get's torn up to start up tarriffs though. Then we can protect whatever we want.

DarthMaeglin

It would be reassuring to hear from the Prime Minister regarding yesterday’s events, but I’m not sure he will.

Zod

DarthMaeglin said:

It would be reassuring to hear from the Prime Minister regarding yesterday’s events, but I’m not sure he will.

There was some media going around that he's not going to quit but going to reflect on what happened.

What a mess.   I wonder how long Jagmeet will keep supporting the liberals.   A lot of people say it's because he qualifies for a pension if he keeps his seat until February.   At the same time the result of an election is going to be an overwhelming conservative majority, NDP loses all their power (which they used to create new social programs, while all the other ones were struggling put the country further into debt).  NDP itself hands over the reigns to party have philosophical differences with if they do the vote of no confidence.

Still, the Liberals are imploding.  I might actually vote for conservative for the first time in my life.   The last 2 elections I protest voted green because none of the options were good.  This time it's solely to get the current government out of there.

It doesn't feel good having a party that's lost the confidence of the nation in power while we try and tackle the new challenge of the new administration south of the border.