Had to look it up, Fuck Around Find Out. If only that principle were applied equally I could live with it, but we’re nowhere close to that.
Parliament was in such danger during the convoy protest that the only day they didn’t sit was the day the police moved in under the auspices of the EA.
A week or two ago a group occupied the building that houses MPs offices in Ottawa, no mass arrests or frozen bank accounts.
Flashback to pre-covid and the occupation of our rail networks, no EA, occupiers were allowed to rip up or burn court injunctions in the police’s faces.
To say nothing of the regular hate rallies that walk into Jewish neighbourhoods here in Toronto. You’re seemingly only arrested if you’re observing the protest as a member of Rebel News.
Fuck Around Find Out if you’re not a member of certain preferred groups.
no disrespect intended... you're leaving out substantial context.
In my opinion (and I suspect this is shared by many for what it's worth) the two giant pieces of context you're leaving out is that the EA was used under two very important circumstances:
1: The Convoy was directly impacting 2 national economies.
2: Biden contacted Trudeau the day before the EA was used. To me, that's not a co-incidence.
Add these two together.
Now you can still opine about whether or not it was justified from a legal standpoint, fair enough.
In my opinion however, under those two very important circumstances, if you think guys like Stephen Harper or Pierre Polievre wouldn't do the exact same thing (if not worse), then my friend, I have some unicorn fur to sell you.
Now interestingly... said Pierre Polievre would have us think that the Liberals are all about dividing and identity politics. Yet here we are, talking about the sides and divisiveness and talking about how one side treats the others differently yadda yadda... a big ole' blame game against Trudeau and the Liberals. All the while leaving out said important context.
Hopefully it makes you think... maybe it's not about divisiveness and identity politics... maybe it's just about money and power. And both sides are equally interested in those things. And both sides do the same greasy shit to get it.
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Had to look it up, Fuck Around Find Out. If only that principle were applied equally I could live with it, but we’re nowhere close to that.
Parliament was in such danger during the convoy protest that the only day they didn’t sit was the day the police moved in under the auspices of the EA.
A week or two ago a group occupied the building that houses MPs offices in Ottawa, no mass arrests or frozen bank accounts.
Flashback to pre-covid and the occupation of our rail networks, no EA, occupiers were allowed to rip up or burn court injunctions in the police’s faces.
To say nothing of the regular hate rallies that walk into Jewish neighbourhoods here in Toronto. You’re seemingly only arrested if you’re observing the protest as a member of Rebel News.
Fuck Around Find Out if you’re not a member of certain preferred groups.
no disrespect intended... you're leaving out substantial context.
In my opinion (and I suspect this is shared by many for what it's worth) the two giant pieces of context you're leaving out is that the EA was used under two very important circumstances:
1: The Convoy was directly impacting 2 national economies.
2: Biden contacted Trudeau the day before the EA was used. To me, that's not a co-incidence.
Add these two together.
Now you can still opine about whether or not it was justified from a legal standpoint, fair enough.
In my opinion however, under those two very important circumstances, if you think guys like Stephen Harper or Pierre Polievre wouldn't do the exact same thing (if not worse), then my friend, I have some unicorn fur to sell you.
Now interestingly... said Pierre Polievre would have us think that the Liberals are all about dividing and identity politics. Yet here we are, talking about the sides and divisiveness and talking about how one side treats the others differently yadda yadda... a big ole' blame game against Trudeau and the Liberals. All the while leaving out said important context.
Hopefully it makes you think... maybe it's not about divisiveness and identity politics... maybe it's just about money and power. And both sides are equally interested in those things. And both sides do the same greasy shit to get it.
The border were cleared (economic damage) prior to the invocation of the EA.
This should be a black and white issue: are we ALL equal under the law, as the Charter claims, or not?
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Had to look it up, Fuck Around Find Out. If only that principle were applied equally I could live with it, but we’re nowhere close to that.
Parliament was in such danger during the convoy protest that the only day they didn’t sit was the day the police moved in under the auspices of the EA.
A week or two ago a group occupied the building that houses MPs offices in Ottawa, no mass arrests or frozen bank accounts.
Flashback to pre-covid and the occupation of our rail networks, no EA, occupiers were allowed to rip up or burn court injunctions in the police’s faces.
To say nothing of the regular hate rallies that walk into Jewish neighbourhoods here in Toronto. You’re seemingly only arrested if you’re observing the protest as a member of Rebel News.
Fuck Around Find Out if you’re not a member of certain preferred groups.
no disrespect intended... you're leaving out substantial context.
In my opinion (and I suspect this is shared by many for what it's worth) the two giant pieces of context you're leaving out is that the EA was used under two very important circumstances:
1: The Convoy was directly impacting 2 national economies.
2: Biden contacted Trudeau the day before the EA was used. To me, that's not a co-incidence.
Add these two together.
Now you can still opine about whether or not it was justified from a legal standpoint, fair enough.
In my opinion however, under those two very important circumstances, if you think guys like Stephen Harper or Pierre Polievre wouldn't do the exact same thing (if not worse), then my friend, I have some unicorn fur to sell you.
Now interestingly... said Pierre Polievre would have us think that the Liberals are all about dividing and identity politics. Yet here we are, talking about the sides and divisiveness and talking about how one side treats the others differently yadda yadda... a big ole' blame game against Trudeau and the Liberals. All the while leaving out said important context.
Hopefully it makes you think... maybe it's not about divisiveness and identity politics... maybe it's just about money and power. And both sides are equally interested in those things. And both sides do the same greasy shit to get it.
The border were cleared (economic damage) prior to the invocation of the EA.
This should be a black and white issue: are we ALL equal under the law, as the Charter claims, or not?
well the easy answer here is no lol ... The only upside here is that to a certain extent, we're not as bad as the USA. But political influence etc. will always play a part. To your point or desire... if we were all equal, Trudeau would have been found guilty of and punished for the SNC Lavalin interference scandal.
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We do weird things in Canada, but I hope we don't end up in position where the US tariff's manufactured products and leaves raw materials without a tariff. That would be horrible for economic growth, letting other countries continue to manufacture all our stuff.
Maybe we need to follow where the world is going, with protectionism, and start reducing our reliance on other countries, and manufacture things for ourselves.
Of course we struggle with economies of scale, and most people would rather invest in real estate, which is less productive :(
She posts this to social media hours before she was to deliver the economic update.
I agree with a lot of what her statement said about “political gimmicks” and a “united front” with the premiers. I guess it really is time for him to go. Whatever you think of him, all his chaos has lost him the confidence of Canadians and fellow leadership.
No chance he wins next year, if he even lasts that long.
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Hopefully he hasn't totally killed the Liberal party for the next election. I really cannot stand the current Conservatives under PP. Once again, we need electoral reform so we can vote for who we want and not have to do it strategically to keep someone out...
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We do weird things in Canada, but I hope we don't end up in position where the US tariff's manufactured products and leaves raw materials without a tariff. That would be horrible for economic growth, letting other countries continue to manufacture all our stuff.
Maybe we need to follow where the world is going, with protectionism, and start reducing our reliance on other countries, and manufacture things for ourselves.
Of course we struggle with economies of scale, and most people would rather invest in real estate, which is less productive :(
We started making opiates so that's a great start!
Didn't we just expand so we can send them our oil and make a new agreement so they could get our water.
We do weird things in Canada, but I hope we don't end up in position where the US tariff's manufactured products and leaves raw materials without a tariff. That would be horrible for economic growth, letting other countries continue to manufacture all our stuff.
Maybe we need to follow where the world is going, with protectionism, and start reducing our reliance on other countries, and manufacture things for ourselves.
Of course we struggle with economies of scale, and most people would rather invest in real estate, which is less productive :(
We started making opiates so that's a great start!
Didn't we just expand so we can send them our oil and make a new agreement so they could get our water.
Yes to the oil. I think they are the primary benefactors of the twinned transmoutain pipeline.
Water, I don't think so, except maybe specifically the Columbia River Treaty, I read that was being renogitiated, which to be honest, I'm not sure why we negotiate. If the water originates in our country, are we that worry about how much makes it into the US? Regardless, I think it's an agreement how much we ensure flows south of the border, not so much selling the water.
Generally though, water is protected through NAFTA, and if we ever started to sell it, it becomes unprotected, which means foreign corporations are free to come up here and extract as much of it as they want. As long as we don't sell it, NAFTA protects it.
I guess it may not matter it NAFTA (UMSCA?) get's torn up to start up tarriffs though. Then we can protect whatever we want.
It would be reassuring to hear from the Prime Minister regarding yesterday’s events, but I’m not sure he will.
There was some media going around that he's not going to quit but going to reflect on what happened.
What a mess. I wonder how long Jagmeet will keep supporting the liberals. A lot of people say it's because he qualifies for a pension if he keeps his seat until February. At the same time the result of an election is going to be an overwhelming conservative majority, NDP loses all their power (which they used to create new social programs, while all the other ones were struggling put the country further into debt). NDP itself hands over the reigns to party have philosophical differences with if they do the vote of no confidence.
Still, the Liberals are imploding. I might actually vote for conservative for the first time in my life. The last 2 elections I protest voted green because none of the options were good. This time it's solely to get the current government out of there.
It doesn't feel good having a party that's lost the confidence of the nation in power while we try and tackle the new challenge of the new administration south of the border.
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Merry Christmas?
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Do we think Trudeau should resign as leader, call an election or tough it out (or any other options, lol)?
I’d prefer he call an election in large part because it’s unfair for whoever follows him to wear what has clearly been The Justin Trudeau Government. Let him lose in an election on his record (and voter ennui) and then resign as leader.
That would also avoid the likely prorogation of Parliament which would pretty much be necessary for the Liberals to run a leadership contest if he resigned. The Legislature’s been paralyzed long enough (even though an election would have the same effect).
Believe it or not but I truly wish the Conservatives were led by someone else (Michael Chong would be my choice) but two perfectly reasonable candidates fell to Trudeau’s braggadocio so this is what we’ve ended up with.
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I think government doesn't sit again until late Jan. I think Singh is safe to vote no confidence and earn his pension as it would take a month for the election to happen and that'll be long enough.
If Trudeau called an election rather then wait for it to go to a vote of no confidence. That'd be pretty funny
That would also avoid the likely prorogation of Parliament which would pretty much be necessary for the Liberals to run a leadership contest if he resigned. The Legislature’s been paralyzed long enough (even though an election would have the same effect).
I think they will go the prorogation route and JT will either stay on or will be a new liberal leader leading them into a spring or fall election, the result still being a Con majority . Cons have and would do the same thing if they were in the current situation.
it makes me laugh when people say Singh is just waiting for his pension. Not a big fan of his, but he was/is going to win his riding anyway.
Anyhoo, we would have a much more collaborative government if we had a better voting system, force the parties to work together
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This Paula Newton on CNN needs to check her facts. She says at the end of that video that "we are in unchartered territory here in Canada, we could have an interim prime minister, something that has never happened before". Um, Kim Campbell, anyone? She was the PM for 3 months when Mulroney resigned as party leader while still PM?
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PP was going to win for sure with Trudeau at the helm. Now maybe with someone new, that might keep it to a minority for the MCGA. Which wouldn't be the end of the world I guess.
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Maybe now by some miracle we can keep PP out. I doubt it but at least there's a small chance.
Edit: He should have resigned when his wife left him. I felt like that was the perfect opportunity to step away.
In an Australia's Surfer's Paradise hot tub, a local Common Wealther brought the PM's divorce up as the only person in high command with a divorce/separation. I let him know that at least us Canadian's don't kill off our leader's spouses, unlike the English!
So what, we've got two indo-canadians and a french guy to choose from? or is ndp singh out?
PP was going to win for sure with Trudeau at the helm. Now maybe with someone new, that might keep it to a minority for the MCGA. Which wouldn't be the end of the world I guess.
There is an awful lot of talk about fucking Christy Clark replacing him. If that happens, I actually just might prefer if PP wins, and that is saying a LOT. Christy Clark is the WORST. I totally hate her guts. She is crooked and corrupt.
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PP was going to win for sure with Trudeau at the helm. Now maybe with someone new, that might keep it to a minority for the MCGA. Which wouldn't be the end of the world I guess.
There is an awful lot of talk about fucking Christy Clark replacing him. If that happens, I actually just might prefer if PP wins, and that is saying a LOT. Christy Clark is the WORST. I totally hate her guts. She is crooked and corrupt.
I don't think it really matters. Whoever helms the party is going to be a sacrificial lamb. If I truly wanted a shot at being PM, I wouldn't take over right now. I'd wait for the bloodbath to be over.
Additional Note: I'm not entirely happy that they prorogued government 2 weeks before Trump is taking office. We have no functioning parliament for over 2 months, of which when they do reform, there will probably be a vote of no confidence within a couple of weeks, then a month or two until an actual election. So no functional Parliament for 4 months or so.
This is horrible when we have the US government threatening 30% tariff's. I realize most of our government still functions without parliament, but in terms of tit for tat in a trade dispute, you need parliament functioning.
It's pretty horrible timing, should of been done sooner. Either by the libs, or the NDP stopping Lib support sooner.
I can't believe it, but I'm really leaning towards voting Cons in this election which I don't think I've ever done. Not because I think they'll solve anything, but just to clean house of the Libs/NDP (Not that it matters though, i'm in Elizabeth May's riding).
But honestly, beyond resigning months ago/calling an early election (knowing he would lose-no one at that level is going to do that), what should he have done? we all know he's going to lose in October. So he's essentially still a lame duck. So I'm not sure what the right course would have been.
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But honestly, beyond resigning months ago/calling an early election (knowing he would lose-no one at that level is going to do that), what should he have done? we all know he's going to lose in October. So he's essentially still a lame duck. So I'm not sure what the right course would have been.
I haven’t been following, but the other option would be to listen to the feedback and try to undue the damage of his unpopular policies. Tough to do as well if he truly believes in what he was doing.
PP was going to win for sure with Trudeau at the helm. Now maybe with someone new, that might keep it to a minority for the MCGA. Which wouldn't be the end of the world I guess.
There is an awful lot of talk about fucking Christy Clark replacing him. If that happens, I actually just might prefer if PP wins, and that is saying a LOT. Christy Clark is the WORST. I totally hate her guts. She is crooked and corrupt.
She IS the worst I've ever seen. I'd rather have (barely) Stephen Harper back in power than CC. Called herself a Liberal and she is the furthest thing from a Liberal. Like you said, crooked and corrupt. Wanna burn the federal liberals down to ashes? Go ahead and put CC in as the leader. Not only would I not vote Liberal, I don't think I could ever vote for them again knowing they thought she was a great choice.
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In my opinion (and I suspect this is shared by many for what it's worth) the two giant pieces of context you're leaving out is that the EA was used under two very important circumstances:
1: The Convoy was directly impacting 2 national economies.
2: Biden contacted Trudeau the day before the EA was used. To me, that's not a co-incidence.
Add these two together.
Now you can still opine about whether or not it was justified from a legal standpoint, fair enough.
In my opinion however, under those two very important circumstances, if you think guys like Stephen Harper or Pierre Polievre wouldn't do the exact same thing (if not worse), then my friend, I have some unicorn fur to sell you.
Now interestingly... said Pierre Polievre would have us think that the Liberals are all about dividing and identity politics. Yet here we are, talking about the sides and divisiveness and talking about how one side treats the others differently yadda yadda... a big ole' blame game against Trudeau and the Liberals. All the while leaving out said important context.
Hopefully it makes you think... maybe it's not about divisiveness and identity politics... maybe it's just about money and power. And both sides are equally interested in those things. And both sides do the same greasy shit to get it.
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Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
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Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
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10C: 220xxx
This should be a black and white issue: are we ALL equal under the law, as the Charter claims, or not?
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
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I really cannot stand the current Conservatives under PP.
Once again, we need electoral reform so we can vote for who we want and not have to do it strategically to keep someone out...
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Didn't we just expand so we can send them our oil and make a new agreement so they could get our water.
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Merry Christmas?
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Do we think Trudeau should resign as leader, call an election or tough it out (or any other options, lol)?
I’d prefer he call an election in large part because it’s unfair for whoever follows him to wear what has clearly been The Justin Trudeau Government. Let him lose in an election on his record (and voter ennui) and then resign as leader.
That would also avoid the likely prorogation of Parliament which would pretty much be necessary for the Liberals to run a leadership contest if he resigned. The Legislature’s been paralyzed long enough (even though an election would have the same effect).
Believe it or not but I truly wish the Conservatives were led by someone else (Michael Chong would be my choice) but two perfectly reasonable candidates fell to Trudeau’s braggadocio so this is what we’ve ended up with.
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it makes me laugh when people say Singh is just waiting for his pension. Not a big fan of his, but he was/is going to win his riding anyway.
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https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/canada-justin-trudeau-resignation-01-06-25/index.html
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Edit: He should have resigned when his wife left him. I felt like that was the perfect opportunity to step away.
So what, we've got two indo-canadians and a french guy to choose from? or is ndp singh out?
There is an awful lot of talk about fucking Christy Clark replacing him. If that happens, I actually just might prefer if PP wins, and that is saying a LOT. Christy Clark is the WORST. I totally hate her guts. She is crooked and corrupt.
LILLEY: Trudeau's selfishness puts Canada in horrible position
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