Is anyone else concerned that the Trudeau Liberals continue to prevent government business from proceeding through their avoidance of their legal responsibilities? The House of Commons has been paralyzed by their…obstinacy(?) since it returned from summer recess in September.
Pretty soon we the people might have to make a point somehow but it’s no longer clear what constitutes acceptable protest.
you can't have a vote of no confidence if you don't bring up anything that needs to be voted on. What a strategy.. sigh.
Is anyone else concerned that the Trudeau Liberals continue to prevent government business from proceeding through their avoidance of their legal responsibilities? The House of Commons has been paralyzed by their…obstinacy(?) since it returned from summer recess in September.
Pretty soon we the people might have to make a point somehow but it’s no longer clear what constitutes acceptable protest.
you can't have a vote of no confidence if you don't bring up anything that needs to be voted on. What a strategy.. sigh.
They’re reporting today that the current stalemate could actually be interpreted as non-confidence in the government under parliamentary rules, so this tactic may backfire on the Liberals, though as we saw in the needless 2021 election it would end all the investigations into possible Liberal misdeeds (like the “Green slush fund” causing the current deadlock).
”Open and transparent by default” my ass, lol.
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Is anyone else concerned that the Trudeau Liberals continue to prevent government business from proceeding through their avoidance of their legal responsibilities? The House of Commons has been paralyzed by their…obstinacy(?) since it returned from summer recess in September.
Pretty soon we the people might have to make a point somehow but it’s no longer clear what constitutes acceptable protest.
you can't have a vote of no confidence if you don't bring up anything that needs to be voted on. What a strategy.. sigh.
They’re reporting today that the current stalemate could actually be interpreted as non-confidence in the government under parliamentary rules, so this tactic may backfire on the Liberals, though as we saw in the needless 2021 election it would end all the investigations into possible Liberal misdeeds (like the “Green slush fund” causing the current deadlock).
”Open and transparent by default” my ass, lol.
Interesting? How does that work? Governor General makes a call and prorogues government for an election?
This has been an odd story to follow, my only problem with Boissonnault being why he never attempted to correct any of the assertions the party or business was making on his behalf.
This just feels like a political gambit by the Trudeau Liberals. And it seems there’s a huge hole in their $250 cheque dole out, given that pensioners and those on other forms of government assistance are exempt, while an individual earning $150,000/year qualifies.
Politics and many politicians have set such a low, disappointing bar for doing much of anything that will improve the lives of the vast majority of their constituents.
We're again in the copy cat stage of cash reimbursements prior to elections. As social services, public health care, public education, financial supports for people with mental and physical exceptionalities are purposefully dismantled by our provincial conservative government in Ontario, now the Federal Liberals feel that throwing money back to the people is going to make voters feel they have our best interests at heart. Such a terrible way to actually fix the many problems around us.
I support democracies. We need to figure out a way to get good, smart, and empathetic people into positions that make all policy decisions. There should be requisites for being considered a candidate. There needs to be real accountability when any representative breaks laws, sends public money to private businesses en masse - I realize some sub contracting is likely to happen, and doesn't do their elected job. Tax corporations and the ultra wealthy at high rates - they make their money on the backs of other people. They'll threaten to leave, but I don't think many actually will. Lastly, when a politician votes against a bill that would grant a segment of the population something that they already enjoy; for example, paid sick days, that politician forfeits that luxury on the spot.
I'm not happy about it either. They're already running massive deficits and now they want to dole out a very small amount of funds per person to go further into the hole. I think I actually qualify for the $250 and I don't really feel it's something I need. I'd rather it go into helping support all the failing the social programs we have.
This doesn't nothing to buy my vote in the next election. It just further pushes me in the other direction due to the fiscal irresponsibility of it. Inflation's been barely under control for 2 minutes, and he's going right back to doing what caused it.
Increased cash in peoples pockets without an equal increase in goods made, means more expensive goods. More $$ chasing the same amount of goods. It's shame elections are a popularity contest instead of a probably vetted role.
I'm not happy about it either. They're already running massive deficits and now they want to dole out a very small amount of funds per person to go further into the hole. I think I actually qualify for the $250 and I don't really feel it's something I need. I'd rather it go into helping support all the failing the social programs we have.
This doesn't nothing to buy my vote in the next election. It just further pushes me in the other direction due to the fiscal irresponsibility of it. Inflation's been barely under control for 2 minutes, and he's going right back to doing what caused it.
Increased cash in peoples pockets without an equal increase in goods made, means more expensive goods. More $$ chasing the same amount of goods. It's shame elections are a popularity contest instead of a probably vetted role.
commie. haha
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I’m seeing more similarities between 1930s Germany and what’s been playing out on our streets (at least in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver) than the constant comparisons between Trump and Hitler.
I guess we don’t need the EMA because these hooligans go home at night, except when they occupy school campuses for several months?
I'm not happy about it either. They're already running massive deficits and now they want to dole out a very small amount of funds per person to go further into the hole. I think I actually qualify for the $250 and I don't really feel it's something I need. I'd rather it go into helping support all the failing the social programs we have.
This doesn't nothing to buy my vote in the next election. It just further pushes me in the other direction due to the fiscal irresponsibility of it. Inflation's been barely under control for 2 minutes, and he's going right back to doing what caused it.
Increased cash in peoples pockets without an equal increase in goods made, means more expensive goods. More $$ chasing the same amount of goods. It's shame elections are a popularity contest instead of a probably vetted role.
being facetious. I agree with you. I've said the same thing to my wife. I hate all these blanket "cheques in the mail". It makes no sense that the same amount goes to us that goes to someone who makes half what we do, or double.
and you know, I agree the GST holiday thing is kinda dumb. I mean, the government is forcing small businesses to not charge 5% on goods that the business likely purchased and already paid that tax on, so now the small business suffers that 5%. How is that helpful at all? I know JT's heart is in the right place/is buying votes (depends who you voted for haha), but he needs to put more thought into this shit.
and wtf? on liquor?? how about on something that is fucking necessary to day to day life?
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Politics and many politicians have set such a low, disappointing bar for doing much of anything that will improve the lives of the vast majority of their constituents.
We're again in the copy cat stage of cash reimbursements prior to elections. As social services, public health care, public education, financial supports for people with mental and physical exceptionalities are purposefully dismantled by our provincial conservative government in Ontario, now the Federal Liberals feel that throwing money back to the people is going to make voters feel they have our best interests at heart. Such a terrible way to actually fix the many problems around us.
I support democracies. We need to figure out a way to get good, smart, and empathetic people into positions that make all policy decisions. There should be requisites for being considered a candidate. There needs to be real accountability when any representative breaks laws, sends public money to private businesses en masse - I realize some sub contracting is likely to happen, and doesn't do their elected job. Tax corporations and the ultra wealthy at high rates - they make their money on the backs of other people. They'll threaten to leave, but I don't think many actually will. Lastly, when a politician votes against a bill that would grant a segment of the population something that they already enjoy; for example, paid sick days, that politician forfeits that luxury on the spot.
Our system is so broken... that what you're saying.. while it makes perfect sense... is less likely to happen than me winning the lottery. (unfortunately) George Carlin and his ilk predicted this a long time ago.. and they've been proven right time and time again.
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Part of the reason I'm not in the GOP anymore relates to what (in my opinion) is an unsustainable model.
We know that cutting taxes does not increase revenue. "Trickle down" is absolute bullshit. It's been proven time and time again to the point where the GOP doesn't even seem to refer to it anymore.
"Trickle Up" is definitely a real thing. Put more money in the hands of the lower and middle class and they spend it. It trickles up to Wal-Mart, Kroger, etc. People in that income range spend nearly everything they bring in. The rich don't do that...once you have all the house, cars, TVs you need that's it. You just start adding to your investment account.
In order to cut taxes the GOP has to cut spending...and they always focus on social services and education. Now we are unhealthy and stupid. Look where that got us.
We need a massive amount of money diverted from defense to education. If we don't get that shit figured out we are absolutely fucked.
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I’m seeing more similarities between 1930s Germany and what’s been playing out on our streets (at least in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver) than the constant comparisons between Trump and Hitler.
I guess we don’t need the EMA because these hooligans go home at night, except when they occupy school campuses for several months?
In a nutshell and correct me if I'm wrong, the editorial author essentially stated and also reported that his thoughts were echoed by Pierre Polievre... he stated that what's happening in the streets of Montreal and other cities (anti NATO protest / riot, pro palestine encampments) are the by product of Trudeau's liberals 'woke agenda' and identity politics? Is that correct?
If that's correct... could you enlighten me on how that is more aligned with 1930s propaganda Germany?
Also, something sort of jumped off the screen at me when I read this... I'm curious your opinion. The writer said this:
["pro-Hamas crowd are but one part of a larger movement that hates not only Jews, Israel and NATO, but the West, capitalism and our way of life."]
In your opinion, what is "our way of life"
Also, could you share why and how this is correct? As in.... cite what Trudeau has done and said that prompted these encampments and riots?
My thoughts for what it's worth is that... this type of stuff isn't new to me. Blaming Trudeau for this stuff coming from Toronto Sun and Pierre Polievre is to me more in line with propaganda than anything. Are we blaming Trudeau and the woke agenda for the G8 riots in Toronto in 2010? For the Vancouver riots post Canucks Stanley Cup failure?
Three things to keep in mind for what it's worth...
1: When they label something as 'woke' that to me in engaging in propaganda and identity politics. It's stuff like this that divides Canadians.
2: These folks... Toronto Sun and Pierre have an awful lot to gain by pinning everything on 'wokeness' and Trudeau. Even if it isn't true. They have a lot to gain. Be skeptical.
3: "Our" country has fundamental rights and freedoms. We're also legally a mosaic, not a melting pot. By legally I mean, we signed into law in the 80s that we (Canada) would be a multi cultural society.
That said... the Hitler / Trump comparisons to me are warranted given the things that Trump has quite literally said and done. So, what has Trudeau said and done that's more in line with Hitler than Trump? Genuinely curious and open minded. Cheers
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While I’m troubled by the actions and words that come from our leaders, what I’m more troubled by is what we’re seeing in the streets.
The goons marched into a Jewish neighbourhood over the weekend and re-enacted the architect of October 7s last moments. I agree with the editorial’s writer that this is the equivalent of marching into a predominantly black community and celebrating the death of a KKK leader. I think most here would call that some sort of hate crime.
I’m not aware of Jewish protests going into Palestinian neighbourhoods or Palestinian schools being shot at.
Here in Toronto, our mayor has seemingly chosen to abandon the Jewish community beyond lip service, having snubbed several invitations to show support for that group. So I don’t just blame Trudeau, though Melanie Joly betrayed that government’s motivations when she essentially admitted to Tom Mulcair that our foreign policy is partly if not largely based on the demographics of her own riding.
There were separate stories over the weekend where a rabbi in Montreal was told to leave the area because his mere presence might provoke the “pro-Palestinian” marchers. Ezra Levant was arrested and removed from the scene by police here in Toronto for the same reason. Whose rights get curtailed if the policy is now pre-crime?
I believe that leadership at ALL levels of government need to take a stronger stand against the intimidation and hate we see on our streets. The police can also do a better job, and if they aren’t capable of handling the problem then as I alluded to perhaps it’s time Trudeau whipped out the Emergency Measures Act again, there’s been far more violence arise from the “pro-Palestinian” groups than ever occurred during the terrifying Freedom Convoy.
To quote Trudeau, “Do we tolerate these people?”
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So with respect.. I'm not seeing any co-relation to what 'wokeness' and / or Trudeau has to do with our country or politics being reminiscent of 1930s Germany.
To your point, and I think everyone would agree. These actions are abhorrent and wrong. Full stop.
That said... it's a stretch to blame one or two things or a politician. Again.. for what it's worth I think what the Toronto Sun and Pierre are doing with these articles and comments is in reality more in line with misleading propaganda.
It's almost comical to me when I think about it. The gaslighting. Pierre stands there... blames mob violence on the liberals and 'wokeness' and in the same sentence claims that what Trudeau is doing is dividing people.
Here is hopefully an easy one... because I'm just dying here to be educated. Not just for Darth but anyone who might have an answer or guess here....
What is Pierre referring to when he says Trudeau spent "9 years pushing toxic woke identity politics." What does that mean? What example of that? What is the definition of "Toxic woke identity politics." What are woke identity politics? Is there a difference between normal woke identity politics and these toxic ones?
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Pierre is just doing his Trump version of "radical leftist/communists/marxists who want to destroy our country". He's Trump Light/Trump Jr. Same playbook. Likely will be the same result.
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The events we witnessed on the streets of Montreal were appalling. Acts of antisemitism, intimidation, and violence must always be condemned. Yet, we must confront an uncomfortable truth: these events are not isolated. They are the result of a Canada that has been fractured by nearly a decade of your leadership.
We are reaping what you sowed.
This is what happens when a Prime Minister spends nine years pushing toxic woke identity politics, dividing and subdividing people by race, gender, vaccine status, religion, region, age, wealth, and more.
On top of driving people apart, you systematically break what used to bring us together, declaring Canada a “post-national state” with “no core identity.”
You erased our veterans and military, the Famous Five, and even Terry Fox from our passport, replacing them with meaningless squirrels, snowflakes, and a drawing of yourself swimming as a boy.
You opened the borders to terrorists and lawbreakers and called anyone who questioned it racist.
You send out your MPs to say one thing in a mosque and the opposite in a synagogue, one thing in a mandir and the opposite in a gurdwara.
You have made Canada a playground for foreign interference. You allowed Iran’s IRGC terrorists to legally operate here for four years after they murdered 55 of our citizens in a major unprovoked attack.
You passed laws that release rampant offenders from prison within hours of their 80th arrest.
And what is the result? Assassinations on Canadian soil, firebombings of synagogues, extremist violence against mandirs and gurdwaras, over 100 churches burned or vandalized (with barely any condemnation from you), all for a total 251% more hate crime.
And, while you were dancing, Montreal was burning.
We won’t let you divide us anymore. Call an election now.
We will fire you and reclaim our citizenship, our values, our lives, our freedom, and, most of all, our country.
Sincerely,
Hon. Pierre Poilievre, MP Leader of the Official Opposition]
So after this from Pierre.... I'm supposed to just believe him, and agree with him that Trudeau and the liberals are the ones dividing????
Help me understand what he's doing to drive people apart? Like did I just miss the boat?
He is systemically breaking what used to bring us together? The fuck does that even mean?
He put his own picture on our passport? He did?! By gosh, if that can be proven in any way shape or form, then I agree, he needs to be fired. But wait.... what if there is no proof that this is true? What if...... what if it's not true? Then what does that say about the leader of the opposition who said it?! Let's not dismiss this. If the Leader of the Opposition is trying to make Canadians believe that Trudeau put a picture of himself on our passport.... but this is actually not true... isn't THAT the definition of propaganda? Isn't THAT dividing people?
He opened the border to terrorists and criminals? That seems like a silly campaign strategy to me. Obviously this can be proven beyond a doubt! But what if.... what if it can't? He called anyone who questioned it racist? That's true? There's proof I'm assuming.
I'm no Trudeau fan. But this Pierre keeps on pissing in my ear and telling me it's raining.
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So with respect.. I'm not seeing any co-relation to what 'wokeness' and / or Trudeau has to do with our country or politics being reminiscent of 1930s Germany.
To your point, and I think everyone would agree. These actions are abhorrent and wrong. Full stop.
That said... it's a stretch to blame one or two things or a politician. Again.. for what it's worth I think what the Toronto Sun and Pierre are doing with these articles and comments is in reality more in line with misleading propaganda.
It's almost comical to me when I think about it. The gaslighting. Pierre stands there... blames mob violence on the liberals and 'wokeness' and in the same sentence claims that what Trudeau is doing is dividing people.
Here is hopefully an easy one... because I'm just dying here to be educated. Not just for Darth but anyone who might have an answer or guess here....
What is Pierre referring to when he says Trudeau spent "9 years pushing toxic woke identity politics." What does that mean? What example of that? What is the definition of "Toxic woke identity politics." What are woke identity politics? Is there a difference between normal woke identity politics and these toxic ones?
While the editorial I posted talked about politicians bearing some responsibility for what we’re seeing in our streets, my concern from the outset was/is exactly that: what we’re seeing on the streets and the strange policing that’s taking shape. And I already said it’s ALL levels of government that need to step up to address this, so I’m not just blaming the federal government.
Stronger messaging from our elected leaders would be nice, but federally we have a government that labels church burnings as “understandable”. Lukewarm scolding doesn’t cut it when it’s easily perceived that Jewish citizens and businesses are being harassed and intimidated. In the name past we haven’t stood for such as a nation.
Thoughts about Olivia Chow’s handling of Toronto’s response to the protests and occupations? Joly’s statement to Mulcair?
As far as your question about “woke” politics, personally I read that as referencing the federal government’s assertion for the last 9 years that Canada has no identity and anyone that looks at our own history favourably is some sort of -ist. Most policies that can be labeled “woke” often do more to divide than unite, and personally as a 50-year-old white male I’m sick of being stigmatized and told I’m the root of everyone else’s problems. White privilege? My lived experience has been the opposite, if anything.
Since 2015 we’ve been governed by a party that has constantly played one group against another for their own political benefit, most notably asking “Do we tolerate these people?”. That’s “toxic woke politics” to me.
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it's called the tolerance paradox. Yes, the "tolerant ones" are intolerant to bigotry, racism, etc etc.
Never have I see JT play one group against another for political benefit. He called out the truckers, and that's it. I personally like a leader that calls out inappropriate behaviour. That being said, I don't think he's applied that equally to all groups that maybe it should have been applied to, all things being equal, but all things are not equal, and it's just common sense that you don't want to further marginalize an already marginalized group in that fashion.
I have zero problem with the fact that my ancestors are responsible for man of the woes of the Indigenous peoples. That's just a plain fact.
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it's called the tolerance paradox. Yes, the "tolerant ones" are intolerant to bigotry, racism, etc etc.
Never have I see JT play one group against another for political benefit. He called out the truckers, and that's it. I personally like a leader that calls out inappropriate behaviour. That being said, I don't think he's applied that equally to all groups that maybe it should have been applied to, all things being equal, but all things are not equal, and it's just common sense that you don't want to further marginalize an already marginalized group in that fashion.
I have zero problem with the fact that my ancestors are responsible for man of the woes of the Indigenous peoples. That's just a plain fact.
Where do the “pro-Palestinian” protests fall on the Tolerance Paradox, in relation to our Jewish citizens? Is it appropriate to tell a peaceful citizen to leave the area because their mere presence could provoke a response to a group of protesters?
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it's called the tolerance paradox. Yes, the "tolerant ones" are intolerant to bigotry, racism, etc etc.
Never have I see JT play one group against another for political benefit. He called out the truckers, and that's it. I personally like a leader that calls out inappropriate behaviour. That being said, I don't think he's applied that equally to all groups that maybe it should have been applied to, all things being equal, but all things are not equal, and it's just common sense that you don't want to further marginalize an already marginalized group in that fashion.
I have zero problem with the fact that my ancestors are responsible for man of the woes of the Indigenous peoples. That's just a plain fact.
Where do the “pro-Palestinian” protests fall on the Tolerance Paradox, in relation to our Jewish citizens? Is it appropriate to tell a peaceful citizen to leave the area because their mere presence could provoke a response to a group of protesters?
you know, that's honestly a good question and one that I've been thinking about since it was first posted. I don't know. I understand wanting to keep the peace and not wanting to have opposing groups, knowing how explosive it is. But to basically tell one group they have to go? That seems extreme. But I tend to think it was more "if you leave, everyone will be better off" and they'd do the same if it were reversed. I don't know. I don't like it either.
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Like, I try to think of it from both angles. But it's a tough one as the Israel situation isn't like the KKK vs black americans, for example. The latter example, one side is OBVIOUSLY evil. You wouldn't want to tell a black person to leave a nazi rally. Or would you, for their own safety? I don't know. But for Palestine/Israel, as we know, everything is so much more complicated.
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it's called the tolerance paradox. Yes, the "tolerant ones" are intolerant to bigotry, racism, etc etc.
Never have I see JT play one group against another for political benefit. He called out the truckers, and that's it. I personally like a leader that calls out inappropriate behaviour. That being said, I don't think he's applied that equally to all groups that maybe it should have been applied to, all things being equal, but all things are not equal, and it's just common sense that you don't want to further marginalize an already marginalized group in that fashion.
I have zero problem with the fact that my ancestors are responsible for man of the woes of the Indigenous peoples. That's just a plain fact.
Where do the “pro-Palestinian” protests fall on the Tolerance Paradox, in relation to our Jewish citizens? Is it appropriate to tell a peaceful citizen to leave the area because their mere presence could provoke a response to a group of protesters?
you know, that's honestly a good question and one that I've been thinking about since it was first posted. I don't know. I understand wanting to keep the peace and not wanting to have opposing groups, knowing how explosive it is. But to basically tell one group they have to go? That seems extreme. But I tend to think it was more "if you leave, everyone will be better off" and they'd do the same if it were reversed. I don't know. I don't like it either.
Thank you.
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This seems to be the image PP is referring to in the passport and it seems well established that it’s not, specifically, Justin or his father, though it needs to be acknowledged that that is imagery that is associated with pere Trudeau that the younger has worked to tie to himself (he canoed into an announcement, I think even wearing his dad’s frilly leather jacket).
I don’t like any of the new generic images in the passport since there’s nothing that jumps off the page that says “Canada!” This is actually one of the examples many of us feel the current government has used to denigrate our own history and heritage. It’s not exclusively residential schools and other evils, there’s also things like Billy Bishop and the discovery of insulin that we should be allowed to feel pride in.
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no one is saying we can't feel pride in any of these things. we're just talking away the colonialism aspect, trying to use images that are inclusive of all. I have zero issue with that, and actually prefer it.
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This seems to be the image PP is referring to in the passport and it seems well established that it’s not, specifically, Justin or his father, though it needs to be acknowledged that that is imagery that is associated with pere Trudeau that the younger has worked to tie to himself (he canoed into an announcement, I think even wearing his dad’s frilly leather jacket).
I don’t like any of the new generic images in the passport since there’s nothing that jumps off the page that says “Canada!” This is actually one of the examples many of us feel the current government has used to denigrate our own history and heritage. It’s not exclusively residential schools and other evils, there’s also things like Billy Bishop and the discovery of insulin that we should be allowed to feel pride in.
Brother... you're avoiding some fairly plain questions from me.
I know that this is the image he's referring to. My question is plain and simple: has this officially or even unofficially been linked to JT? And if not... then my goodness gracious how fucking bad and completely hypocritical is it for our would be Prime Minister to be engaging in these harmful, misleading, *dividing* tactics?
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Here's the thing too man... if you want to be the one to come on here and spread the word of the Toronto Sun and Pierre Polievre, feel free to answer for it with insight. What is toxic woke identity politics?
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you can't have a vote of no confidence if you don't bring up anything that needs to be voted on. What a strategy.. sigh.
”Open and transparent by default” my ass, lol.
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Interesting? How does that work? Governor General makes a call and prorogues government for an election?
https://torontosun.com/news/national/as-boissonnault-avoids-cameras-few-mps-comment-on-embattled-minister
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-gst-vacation-christmas-1.7389206
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We're again in the copy cat stage of cash reimbursements prior to elections. As social services, public health care, public education, financial supports for people with mental and physical exceptionalities are purposefully dismantled by our provincial conservative government in Ontario, now the Federal Liberals feel that throwing money back to the people is going to make voters feel they have our best interests at heart. Such a terrible way to actually fix the many problems around us.
I support democracies. We need to figure out a way to get good, smart, and empathetic people into positions that make all policy decisions. There should be requisites for being considered a candidate. There needs to be real accountability when any representative breaks laws, sends public money to private businesses en masse - I realize some sub contracting is likely to happen, and doesn't do their elected job. Tax corporations and the ultra wealthy at high rates - they make their money on the backs of other people. They'll threaten to leave, but I don't think many actually will. Lastly, when a politician votes against a bill that would grant a segment of the population something that they already enjoy; for example, paid sick days, that politician forfeits that luxury on the spot.
-EV 8/14/93
I guess we don’t need the EMA because these hooligans go home at night, except when they occupy school campuses for several months?
https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-canada-reaps-what-politicians-sowed?tbref=hp
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and you know, I agree the GST holiday thing is kinda dumb. I mean, the government is forcing small businesses to not charge 5% on goods that the business likely purchased and already paid that tax on, so now the small business suffers that 5%. How is that helpful at all? I know JT's heart is in the right place/is buying votes (depends who you voted for haha), but he needs to put more thought into this shit.
and wtf? on liquor?? how about on something that is fucking necessary to day to day life?
-EV 8/14/93
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We know that cutting taxes does not increase revenue. "Trickle down" is absolute bullshit. It's been proven time and time again to the point where the GOP doesn't even seem to refer to it anymore.
"Trickle Up" is definitely a real thing. Put more money in the hands of the lower and middle class and they spend it. It trickles up to Wal-Mart, Kroger, etc. People in that income range spend nearly everything they bring in. The rich don't do that...once you have all the house, cars, TVs you need that's it. You just start adding to your investment account.
In order to cut taxes the GOP has to cut spending...and they always focus on social services and education. Now we are unhealthy and stupid. Look where that got us.
We need a massive amount of money diverted from defense to education. If we don't get that shit figured out we are absolutely fucked.
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In a nutshell and correct me if I'm wrong, the editorial author essentially stated and also reported that his thoughts were echoed by Pierre Polievre... he stated that what's happening in the streets of Montreal and other cities (anti NATO protest / riot, pro palestine encampments) are the by product of Trudeau's liberals 'woke agenda' and identity politics? Is that correct?
If that's correct... could you enlighten me on how that is more aligned with 1930s propaganda Germany?
Also, something sort of jumped off the screen at me when I read this... I'm curious your opinion. The writer said this:
["pro-Hamas crowd are but one part of a larger movement that hates not only Jews, Israel and NATO, but the West, capitalism and our way of life."]
In your opinion, what is "our way of life"
Also, could you share why and how this is correct? As in.... cite what Trudeau has done and said that prompted these encampments and riots?
My thoughts for what it's worth is that... this type of stuff isn't new to me. Blaming Trudeau for this stuff coming from Toronto Sun and Pierre Polievre is to me more in line with propaganda than anything. Are we blaming Trudeau and the woke agenda for the G8 riots in Toronto in 2010? For the Vancouver riots post Canucks Stanley Cup failure?
Three things to keep in mind for what it's worth...
1: When they label something as 'woke' that to me in engaging in propaganda and identity politics. It's stuff like this that divides Canadians.
2: These folks... Toronto Sun and Pierre have an awful lot to gain by pinning everything on 'wokeness' and Trudeau. Even if it isn't true. They have a lot to gain. Be skeptical.
3: "Our" country has fundamental rights and freedoms. We're also legally a mosaic, not a melting pot. By legally I mean, we signed into law in the 80s that we (Canada) would be a multi cultural society.
That said... the Hitler / Trump comparisons to me are warranted given the things that Trump has quite literally said and done. So, what has Trudeau said and done that's more in line with Hitler than Trump? Genuinely curious and open minded. Cheers
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The goons marched into a Jewish neighbourhood over the weekend and re-enacted the architect of October 7s last moments. I agree with the editorial’s writer that this is the equivalent of marching into a predominantly black community and celebrating the death of a KKK leader. I think most here would call that some sort of hate crime.
I’m not aware of Jewish protests going into Palestinian neighbourhoods or Palestinian schools being shot at.
Here in Toronto, our mayor has seemingly chosen to abandon the Jewish community beyond lip service, having snubbed several invitations to show support for that group. So I don’t just blame Trudeau, though Melanie Joly betrayed that government’s motivations when she essentially admitted to Tom Mulcair that our foreign policy is partly if not largely based on the demographics of her own riding.
There were separate stories over the weekend where a rabbi in Montreal was told to leave the area because his mere presence might provoke the “pro-Palestinian” marchers. Ezra Levant was arrested and removed from the scene by police here in Toronto for the same reason. Whose rights get curtailed if the policy is now pre-crime?
I believe that leadership at ALL levels of government need to take a stronger stand against the intimidation and hate we see on our streets. The police can also do a better job, and if they aren’t capable of handling the problem then as I alluded to perhaps it’s time Trudeau whipped out the Emergency Measures Act again, there’s been far more violence arise from the “pro-Palestinian” groups than ever occurred during the terrifying Freedom Convoy.
To quote Trudeau, “Do we tolerate these people?”
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To your point, and I think everyone would agree. These actions are abhorrent and wrong. Full stop.
That said... it's a stretch to blame one or two things or a politician. Again.. for what it's worth I think what the Toronto Sun and Pierre are doing with these articles and comments is in reality more in line with misleading propaganda.
It's almost comical to me when I think about it. The gaslighting. Pierre stands there... blames mob violence on the liberals and 'wokeness' and in the same sentence claims that what Trudeau is doing is dividing people.
Here is hopefully an easy one... because I'm just dying here to be educated. Not just for Darth but anyone who might have an answer or guess here....
What is Pierre referring to when he says Trudeau spent "9 years pushing toxic woke identity politics." What does that mean? What example of that? What is the definition of "Toxic woke identity politics." What are woke identity politics? Is there a difference between normal woke identity politics and these toxic ones?
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[Dear Prime Minister Trudeau,
The events we witnessed on the streets of Montreal were appalling. Acts of antisemitism, intimidation, and violence must always be condemned. Yet, we must confront an uncomfortable truth: these events are not isolated. They are the result of a Canada that has been fractured by nearly a decade of your leadership.
We are reaping what you sowed.
This is what happens when a Prime Minister spends nine years pushing toxic woke identity politics, dividing and subdividing people by race, gender, vaccine status, religion, region, age, wealth, and more.
On top of driving people apart, you systematically break what used to bring us together, declaring Canada a “post-national state” with “no core identity.”
You erased our veterans and military, the Famous Five, and even Terry Fox from our passport, replacing them with meaningless squirrels, snowflakes, and a drawing of yourself swimming as a boy.
You opened the borders to terrorists and lawbreakers and called anyone who questioned it racist.
You send out your MPs to say one thing in a mosque and the opposite in a synagogue, one thing in a mandir and the opposite in a gurdwara.
You have made Canada a playground for foreign interference. You allowed Iran’s IRGC terrorists to legally operate here for four years after they murdered 55 of our citizens in a major unprovoked attack.
You passed laws that release rampant offenders from prison within hours of their 80th arrest.
And what is the result? Assassinations on Canadian soil, firebombings of synagogues, extremist violence against mandirs and gurdwaras, over 100 churches burned or vandalized (with barely any condemnation from you), all for a total 251% more hate crime.
And, while you were dancing, Montreal was burning.
We won’t let you divide us anymore. Call an election now.
We will fire you and reclaim our citizenship, our values, our lives, our freedom, and, most of all, our country.
Sincerely,
Hon. Pierre Poilievre, MP Leader of the Official Opposition]
So after this from Pierre.... I'm supposed to just believe him, and agree with him that Trudeau and the liberals are the ones dividing????
Help me understand what he's doing to drive people apart? Like did I just miss the boat?
He is systemically breaking what used to bring us together? The fuck does that even mean?
He put his own picture on our passport? He did?! By gosh, if that can be proven in any way shape or form, then I agree, he needs to be fired. But wait.... what if there is no proof that this is true? What if...... what if it's not true? Then what does that say about the leader of the opposition who said it?! Let's not dismiss this. If the Leader of the Opposition is trying to make Canadians believe that Trudeau put a picture of himself on our passport.... but this is actually not true... isn't THAT the definition of propaganda? Isn't THAT dividing people?
He opened the border to terrorists and criminals? That seems like a silly campaign strategy to me. Obviously this can be proven beyond a doubt! But what if.... what if it can't? He called anyone who questioned it racist? That's true? There's proof I'm assuming.
I'm no Trudeau fan. But this Pierre keeps on pissing in my ear and telling me it's raining.
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Stronger messaging from our elected leaders would be nice, but federally we have a government that labels church burnings as “understandable”. Lukewarm scolding doesn’t cut it when it’s easily perceived that Jewish citizens and businesses are being harassed and intimidated. In the name past we haven’t stood for such as a nation.
Thoughts about Olivia Chow’s handling of Toronto’s response to the protests and occupations? Joly’s statement to Mulcair?
As far as your question about “woke” politics, personally I read that as referencing the federal government’s assertion for the last 9 years that Canada has no identity and anyone that looks at our own history favourably is some sort of -ist. Most policies that can be labeled “woke” often do more to divide than unite, and personally as a 50-year-old white male I’m sick of being stigmatized and told I’m the root of everyone else’s problems. White privilege? My lived experience has been the opposite, if anything.
Since 2015 we’ve been governed by a party that has constantly played one group against another for their own political benefit, most notably asking “Do we tolerate these people?”. That’s “toxic woke politics” to me.
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Never have I see JT play one group against another for political benefit. He called out the truckers, and that's it. I personally like a leader that calls out inappropriate behaviour. That being said, I don't think he's applied that equally to all groups that maybe it should have been applied to, all things being equal, but all things are not equal, and it's just common sense that you don't want to further marginalize an already marginalized group in that fashion.
I have zero problem with the fact that my ancestors are responsible for man of the woes of the Indigenous peoples. That's just a plain fact.
-EV 8/14/93
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I don’t like any of the new generic images in the passport since there’s nothing that jumps off the page that says “Canada!” This is actually one of the examples many of us feel the current government has used to denigrate our own history and heritage. It’s not exclusively residential schools and other evils, there’s also things like Billy Bishop and the discovery of insulin that we should be allowed to feel pride in.
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-EV 8/14/93
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I know that this is the image he's referring to. My question is plain and simple: has this officially or even unofficially been linked to JT? And if not... then my goodness gracious how fucking bad and completely hypocritical is it for our would be Prime Minister to be engaging in these harmful, misleading, *dividing* tactics?
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