Canadian Politics Redux

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  • BF89905BF89905 Posts: 1,417
    The Ontario PC's = incompetent corruption..... let's hope all those involved end up prosecuted for fraud. The prospective Ontario Place spa/casino/under parking garage is the same shady garbage. 

    It is such a poor commentary on how many, many people view politicians across this province that this government got re-elected solely because they refunded arbitrary amounts of money for license renewal fees prior to the election. The fact that the losing Liberal and NDP candidates end up becoming mayors of cities is also laughable.

    This PC government continues to spew financial numbers that suggest they're improving and care about public health care and education, and the lives of the vast majority of Ontarians, when in actuality they've done nothing to really help anyone except the elite.

    You want to really try to help the housing pinch in this province, perhaps try the following:
    -ban short term rentals
    -tax the heck out of people that own more than one rental property...... make it so uncomfortable that they're forced to sell.
    -establish limits on what can be charged for rent
    -push people back to their place of work for 5 days per week

    These suggestions may anger some, so be it, they're not meant to assist those that benefit from the prone positions of other people. More we than me policies will likely lead to a happier and healthier society. Most importantly, families and people will be much more likely to afford a home.

  • I honestly had zero clue about the negative effect that short term rentals (AirBnb) have on housing. The RM of the beach we go to recently outlawed short term rentals shorter than a month. I couldn't understand why. I guess they don't want it becoming a resort town. They prefer community. Which makes sense. 

    But in cities, it's obviously a different, and bigger, issue. 
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  • So the guy flying commercial arrived first and had the plane fixed before the TWO other jets that were dispatched arrived on scene. Cue the Keystone Kops music, lol. All in all more egg on all our faces in the end.

    One does have to wonder if this mishap would have occurred if Trudeau wasn’t flying pretty much daily.

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  • does he travel unnecessarily? seems to me most of them are meeting with international heads of state. transportation of any kind obviously always need upkeep and repairs. maybe conservatives would prefer he buy a new plane?
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  • does he travel unnecessarily? seems to me most of them are meeting with international heads of state. transportation of any kind obviously always need upkeep and repairs. maybe conservatives would prefer he buy a new plane?
    This betrays my supposed obsession with the man, but you clearly need to look at his agenda more often. The vast majority of his trips are domestic and more often than not simple photo ops as opposed to anything of real substance (the permanent campaign that all politicians engage in, but Trudeau leads the charge on this). I wasn’t suggesting the Prime Minister not attend international summits but could curtail his domestic travels.

    It’s also clear you haven’t paid attention to this story as 9 planes were bought but won’t be ready for service for several more months.
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  • yeah, it is clear, cuz I don't really care that much. lol
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  • yeah, it is clear, cuz I don't really care that much. lol
    And yet here we are, lol.
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  • yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

    this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

    this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

    it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?
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  • yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

    this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

    this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

    it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?
    I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

    Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?
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  • Here’s a hyper-partisan statement: why the fuck is the U.S. more interested in Chinese meddling in Canadian elections than the governing Liberal Party of Canada?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/michael-chong-congressional-testimony-china-interference-1.6964058
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  • yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

    this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

    this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

    it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?
    I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

    Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?
    straight up embarrassing? man, you got a low bar. I don't know why the commercial flight beat the military flights, so I can't comment on that, but also, I don't really think that's something to get all bothered about. 

    your last question is a very valid one. I'd like to see him asked this as well. and pressed on it when he doesn't answer it. lol
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  • yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

    this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

    this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

    it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?
    I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

    Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?
    straight up embarrassing? man, you got a low bar. I don't know why the commercial flight beat the military flights, so I can't comment on that, but also, I don't really think that's something to get all bothered about. 

    your last question is a very valid one. I'd like to see him asked this as well. and pressed on it when he doesn't answer it. lol
    I have my bar, you have yours and both are equally valid.
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  • yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

    this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

    this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

    it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?
    I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

    Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?
    straight up embarrassing? man, you got a low bar. I don't know why the commercial flight beat the military flights, so I can't comment on that, but also, I don't really think that's something to get all bothered about. 

    your last question is a very valid one. I'd like to see him asked this as well. and pressed on it when he doesn't answer it. lol
    To your last sentence,  based on what has happened in the past,  do you honestly believe that Trudeau will ever be taken to task for what many consider an outsized carbon footprint?  Your phrasing seems to imply you do. 
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

    this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

    this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

    it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?
    I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

    Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?
    straight up embarrassing? man, you got a low bar. I don't know why the commercial flight beat the military flights, so I can't comment on that, but also, I don't really think that's something to get all bothered about. 

    your last question is a very valid one. I'd like to see him asked this as well. and pressed on it when he doesn't answer it. lol
    To your last sentence,  based on what has happened in the past,  do you honestly believe that Trudeau will ever be taken to task for what many consider an outsized carbon footprint?  Your phrasing seems to imply you do. 
    I don't. I said I'd like to see it happen. Maybe if he ever grants a one on one with any network besides CTV. lol
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  • yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

    this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

    this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

    it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?
    I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

    Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?
    straight up embarrassing? man, you got a low bar. I don't know why the commercial flight beat the military flights, so I can't comment on that, but also, I don't really think that's something to get all bothered about. 

    your last question is a very valid one. I'd like to see him asked this as well. and pressed on it when he doesn't answer it. lol
    To your last sentence,  based on what has happened in the past,  do you honestly believe that Trudeau will ever be taken to task for what many consider an outsized carbon footprint?  Your phrasing seems to imply you do. 
    I don't. I said I'd like to see it happen. Maybe if he ever grants a one on one with any network besides CTV. lol
    Or CBC, or Global,  or the Toronto Star,  the list really is quite extensive. The list of outlets that would call him out could be counted on one hand (and they've likely already been dismissed as fringe or far right).
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  • CBC would. 
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604
    edited September 2023
    CBC would. 
    Agree to strongly disagree on that one, they haven’t done anything but hold this government to account over 8 years, and stoke anti-Conservative sentiments at every turn (look at the coverage of their recent convention). At least from where I sit. I’m happy to be proven wrong as always.

    Edit: Did I maybe misread your post and you were joking? I did make the assumption that you’re earnest in your defence of the CBC.
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,753
    Jordan D-Bag Peterson and Pierre Polievre once referred to the CBC as  "Justin Trudeau's Propaganda Machine." 

    That alone is worthy of some serious eyebrow raising. 

    I learn about all of Trudeau's corruption, scandals, and mistakes from the CBC. That by itself tosses out any notion of it being political propaganda. Full stop.  Those trying to make people believe that (aforementioned) have their own motivations.

    If I had to choose one source of news, it would be CBC.  When I seek out political pundit opinions.. it's the CBC. They always make sense to me, and they do critique all parties. 

    That said.. I do think Trudeau should experience more push back from all outlets. 

    No disrespect intended here, but the media outlets on the 'far right' that go way out of their way to attack Trudeau are pure garbage. The ones that come to mind are the Sun, Rebel, True North.   It's laughable how cartoonish and immature they can be with regards to how they depict Trudeau and/or 'wokeness,'   They are Canada's versions of Fox, NewsMax, OAN.  
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604
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    Parksy said:
    Jordan D-Bag Peterson and Pierre Polievre once referred to the CBC as  "Justin Trudeau's Propaganda Machine." 

    That alone is worthy of some serious eyebrow raising. 

    I learn about all of Trudeau's corruption, scandals, and mistakes from the CBC. That by itself tosses out any notion of it being political propaganda. Full stop.  Those trying to make people believe that (aforementioned) have their own motivations.

    If I had to choose one source of news, it would be CBC.  When I seek out political pundit opinions.. it's the CBC. They always make sense to me, and they do critique all parties. 

    That said.. I do think Trudeau should experience more push back from all outlets. 

    No disrespect intended here, but the media outlets on the 'far right' that go way out of their way to attack Trudeau are pure garbage. The ones that come to mind are the Sun, Rebel, True North.   It's laughable how cartoonish and immature they can be with regards to how they depict Trudeau and/or 'wokeness,'   They are Canada's versions of Fox, NewsMax, OAN.  
    You say you learn about all of Trudeau’s misdeeds through the CBC, fair enough, but my experience with their reporting is that when it comes to being critical they’re (more than) a day late in comparison with most of the other outlets (even the ones I cited as sympathetic). I have yet to see their chief columnist Aaron Wherry be full on critical (there’s always mitigating factors except for when he’s critiquing the Conservatives).

    One of my biggest beefs with the CBC for well over a decade is that they tell me what to think on most issues instead of simply giving me the information and saving the opinion for the columns (something that’s now endemic throughout the industry in my opinion). It’s laughable how they won’t allow comments on certain sacred topics such as the climate or First Nations. When they’ve adopted a certain editorial slant then not allowing comments amounts to shutting down free speech, especially when the dissenters pay equally to everyone else to fund the network.

    Are you equally dismissive of the media that blatantly swing to the left as well? I don’t go to either Rebel News or Bloomberg because they’re equally biased. But who has a correspondent as part of CBC’s At Issue panel? Not the Rebels, lol.

    Maybe I look back on Knowlton Nash with rose-tinted glasses because I always felt he was informing me and it was sometime during Peter Mansbridge’s tenure that I felt I was being told what was the acceptable point of view to adopt. That was a huge turn off then and remains so today, though one possible benefit is that it forces me to seek out several sources, decode their bias and start to figure where the truth might lie.

     I don’t know if it bears reiterating but I strongly feel that privately-owned media are actually entitled to their biases, but when tax dollars are spent on a national broadcaster then they shouldn’t, as some have suggested, represent the majority view but need to represent as many views as possible. The publicly-funded broadcaster represents ALL of us.

    Edit: CBC has only ever sued one political party in the middle of an election because CBC’s footage was used legally in an ad. That’s one pretty big tell to me as to where they stand.
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604
    edited September 2023
    Compare and contrast: only one outlet mentions the financial penalty imposed. Seriously, why is that?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steven-guilbeault-must-unblock-ezra-levant-1.6964294


    https://nationalpost.com/news/rebel-news-steven-guilbeault-twitter-battle

    Edit: The CBC story has been updated (after repeated comments about the omission) that includes the financial penalty. When I posted the link it wasn’t in the article.
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  • So Poilievre gets 11 paragraphs when he doesn’t answer a specific question, so essentially we have a story that nothing happened but a possible spectre lurks in the shadows of the future. Where are all the similar articles dealing with Trudeau’s non-answers? And why are no other outlets running with this important story (it currently sits at the top of CBCs Politics section)?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-conservative-party-transgender-1.6964618

    I’m going to take a different tack here. I’m constantly told here that Trudeau is the lesser of two evils when held against anyone the CPC puts forward, but no one has made a clear case as to why this is so. Please show why the CPC is less deserving of a mandate. I’m not looking for a comparison with the current government (which leaves the current administration lacking based on their established record) but just a straight analysis of the CPC’s statements and policies. Convince me, please.
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  • culture wars. they've stated part of their mandate is to "protect women", which means banning trans women from "women's spaces". there is NO evidence that this poses any danger to anyone. further attacking the most vulnerable among us. I thought the party was about freedom and bodily autonomy? also against gender affirming care. 

    supports the freedom convoy (people waving Russian flags, no less). strong majority oppose the convoy, and approved of the emergencies act being used. 

    "jail not bail" approach to crime. sure, cuz just locking everyone up without due process is what "freedom" is all about. 

    frames Trudeau's social media bills as "censorship bills". this is laughable, and cons keep falling for this. It's Trudeau trying to save Canadian journalists and content, with social media companies not being held to account to pay for content they didn't produce. 

    plans to scrap most of the current climate policies, since they have "done nothing" for the environment. nice approach. 

    keeps blathering on about inflation as if this is a Canadian issue. vows to cut the "inflation tax" (hint: that doesn't exist). vows to axe the carbon tax. 

    this is all I could find at the moment. 

    as was mentioned in one of the articles I read, PP is going to have to come up with more than just "we're not the Liberals" to win. He's riding high now, but the election is still two years away. Unless JT calls it earlier. Which he might be wise to do if he wants to stay in power. I can't imagine that the Liberals, barring any miracles over the next two years, will retain government. 
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,753
    So Poilievre gets 11 paragraphs when he doesn’t answer a specific question, so essentially we have a story that nothing happened but a possible spectre lurks in the shadows of the future. Where are all the similar articles dealing with Trudeau’s non-answers? And why are no other outlets running with this important story (it currently sits at the top of CBCs Politics section)?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-conservative-party-transgender-1.6964618

    I’m going to take a different tack here. I’m constantly told here that Trudeau is the lesser of two evils when held against anyone the CPC puts forward, but no one has made a clear case as to why this is so. Please show why the CPC is less deserving of a mandate. I’m not looking for a comparison with the current government (which leaves the current administration lacking based on their established record) but just a straight analysis of the CPC’s statements and policies. Convince me, please.
    There are a handful of ways to go about this. 

    Trudeau is bad, yes. If you're asking why I don't want Pierre as PM... here are some reasons:

    His political record against homosexuality.
    His political record against unions/labour.  He was against pro labour policies in Harper's government and tried to pass legislation that would make it mandatory for unions to make public their financial records, but not corporations. (Interesting.) 
    His political record against social programs. 
    His political record against legalized weed.
    His political record against abortion. 

    His personal / political stance on the Freedom Convoy.

    His coziness with the likes Jordan Peterson including his dog whistling to white nationalists. (See interview with Jordan Peterson where Pierre said he wanted Canada to go back to a country of common Anglo-Saxon language.)   <-  good luck in Quebec when that interview resurfaces. 
    His political desire to "de-fund" or remove altogether the CBC.
    His constant battle against 'woke.'  <- good luck winning an election in Canada with that stance. 
    His language when it comes to dividing Canada. ("Canada is broken.") 
    HIs constant blaming Trudeau for everything... even when things are not even 10% his fault.
    His constant pandering to the lower/middle class when he does not and will not give two shits about them. (His political record suggests this, not his small town "bring it home" rallies.)
    His constant attacking Liberals for creating a housing crisis, and a cost of living crisis... when his political record has constantly benefited corporations.  
    His constant attacks against the "gatekeepers" which is his playful political rhetoric against regulations.  But wait, which regulations sir?  The last politician that railed against regulation and touted it like a bragging right, was Trump. 

    This guy... who changes his look and tone on a whim like a greasy politician is going to sit up there and tell the middle to lower class how he is their champion even though he hasn't worked a day in his life outside of government where he enjoys publicly paid benefits and a nice salary? 

    He is a populist. Or at least he rose through the ranks as a populist.  And forgive me for saying...  after seeing the dumpster fire that Trump caused and continues to cause... I'm not a fan of populist politics and constant fear mongering. 

    The only policy I can see him making any sense on is his stance on removing the carbon tax. But in the absence of that, what is his plan for lowering emissions? 

    What is his plan for anything and how is he planning on accomplishing any of it? 

    So that's my case against him.  Not to sound overly childish here but this matters to me at the very least... I just don't like him.  I don't like the way he acts, I don't like the way he sounds. I don't like his stance on social issues. I don't like his pandering to the right. Nothing about him screams that he has any leadership qualities. Nothing about him says he could govern a G7 nation whose citizens statistically and historically lean left.  And look.... it's not like I'm cherry picking things off the internet.  I've put in the time. I watch this man. I watch his rallies, I watch his speeches, I watch his pathetic commercials. I watch his interviews. There is nothing about this guy that has made me even remotely close to voting conservative. Some of this speeches and rallies are downright cringeworthy to the point where I feel bad for the folks who were duped into thinking he has anything relevant to say.  The only thing that makes me remotely close to voting conservative is how bad Trudeau is. We have two years to see if anything changes in that regard. 

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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,753
    Now... before we get into the tit for tat and  'but look at how awful Trudeau is'   trust me... I'm well aware.  The point here I think is.... no good options. 

    In the absence of a decent leader, I'm stuck basically choosing a side in said culture war. 

    If I was American....  and I didn't like anything about Biden.... would I still vote for him to prevent Trump?  Hellllllllllllllllll yes. 
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  • I'm with Parksy. I'm not willing to just "give him a chance" like the US did with Trump. 
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  • the MB provincial conservatives are even using these anti-LGBTQ+ dog whistles in their desperate attempt to cling to power this fall. all their new ads preach "parental rights in the classroom". fuck them. 
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  • cringe is right:

    While warning of a "dystopian future" under Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's continued leadership, Poilievre painted an idyllic picture of how the country would look with him in charge.

    "As the daylight fades to night, kids are heard pleading for 10 more minutes of street hockey before bed. And then, quiet. And a young couple sits on their front porch soaking in the summer warmth, a Canadian flag hanging gently but proudly from the front of their house… they look into each other's eyes in a way that can only say the hard work paid off… because finally, we're home," he said while closing out his speech.

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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,753
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBKBOdjR1As

    Exhibit A: 

    Attacks Trudeau because .. of course he does. 

    Asks for a 'violin'  because of Justin's whining. <-  which by the way, I'd be interested in seeing the context to which Trudeau was saying it's difficult to be a politician right now. In the event he was referring to the treatment Freeland got in Alberta... he would be correct. 

    I digress.

    Then he pivots to his glorious point of the whole clip....  and cue to violins and music (lol)  he talks about a trucker in Bowmanville who can't afford his rent because the landlord jacked up the cost. 

    Ahem ....  you sir are a landlord who rents for profit. You are a capitalist.  But obviously you're not going to say that at your 'common sense' rally. 

    And then he gets angry at the state of our country.  And he shows the group of people cheering him on...  YAY!!! 

    Oh wait.  I must have missed the part where he spoke about the policies that would be enacted to make housing affordable for all of these people Trudeau ruined. 
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  • Parksy said:
    Now... before we get into the tit for tat and  'but look at how awful Trudeau is'   trust me... I'm well aware.  The point here I think is.... no good options. 

    In the absence of a decent leader, I'm stuck basically choosing a side in said culture war. 

    If I was American....  and I didn't like anything about Biden.... would I still vote for him to prevent Trump?  Hellllllllllllllllll yes. 
    Thank you both for your responses, unfortunately I remain unswayed. I had meant the party, not the leader but fair enough, thanks.

     I’m curious though, PPs abortion stance is cited. He has stated numerous times (as have past leaders) that the matter is settled. On this point I feel it’s necessary to point out that this is largely due to DISinformation by the so-called “progressives”.  We’ll see how often PP’s asked the question during the next election, Conservatives are asked daily about this issue but Blackface is gone in two days.

    The same could be said on the lgbt issues where gross misrepresentations are occurring (yesterday a CBC article drew a direct line between anti-vax and anti-lgbt groups without actually showing a link between the two).
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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