Canadian Politics Redux

Meltdown99

A liberal commercial with Trudeau promising to fix the home unaffordable problem…lol…meanwhile a Vancouver candidate of his has made millions flipping homes and many flipped in less than a year.

Trudeau is high on promises and very low on delivery…  

DarthMaeglin

erebus said:

Or maybe have your say with your vote?

We’re also supposed to be able to interact with our politicians directly. I sent Trudeau’s office numerous messages over the last six years. Not once was it acknowledged at all. I emailed my local MP (a Liberal) and heard back directly in a couple days. I don’t necessarily expect a personal reply from the nation’s PM, but why even allow messages to be sent if the impression one is left with is that they have been ignored? That only leads to frustration and eventually anger.

Although, your question is equally applicable to the statue vandalizers and church arsonists, but that hasn’t been the message to those groups. Some of us believe that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, lol.

Meltdown99

The rock throwers are PPC supporters ands it’s never ok to throw objects at people.

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

erebus said:

Or maybe have your say with your vote?

We’re also supposed to be able to interact with our politicians directly. I sent Trudeau’s office numerous messages over the last six years. Not once was it acknowledged at all. I emailed my local MP (a Liberal) and heard back directly in a couple days. I don’t necessarily expect a personal reply from the nation’s PM, but why even allow messages to be sent if the impression one is left with is that they have been ignored? That only leads to frustration and eventually anger.

Although, your question is equally applicable to the statue vandalizers and church arsonists, but that hasn’t been the message to those groups. Some of us believe that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, lol.

one group is oppressed and had genocide committed against them, the other group is pissed they have to wear masks and get a vaccine to see a movie. 

no, these are in no way equal. not even in the slightest. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

erebus said:

Or maybe have your say with your vote?

We’re also supposed to be able to interact with our politicians directly. I sent Trudeau’s office numerous messages over the last six years. Not once was it acknowledged at all. I emailed my local MP (a Liberal) and heard back directly in a couple days. I don’t necessarily expect a personal reply from the nation’s PM, but why even allow messages to be sent if the impression one is left with is that they have been ignored? That only leads to frustration and eventually anger.

Although, your question is equally applicable to the statue vandalizers and church arsonists, but that hasn’t been the message to those groups. Some of us believe that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, lol.

one group is oppressed and had genocide committed against them, the other group is pissed they have to wear masks and get a vaccine to see a movie. 

no, these are in no way equal. not even in the slightest. 

So one violence is acceptable and another isn’t? It really is that simple. If they’re not equal before the law (as seems to be the case) then this society has no interest in equality and I become even more fearful for the future. I understand First Nations issues are hot-button problems at the moment, all the more reason to solve them rationally (voting and social activism) rather than via violence.

 I’ll suggest that any innocent families that happened past some of these statue topplings might have felt unsafe in the moment. And burn down any other religious building and it’s instantly a hate crime.

But throwing pebbles at a “leader” who is doing everything he can to divide society is too far? Again, I don’t agree with the act, but if we’re calling arson “understandable” then so is this. I get that most of you haven’t been subject to 6 years of scorn and derision from Trudeau, but that’s a wrong that is occurring in real-time, not historical. My Prime Minister has spent 6 years saying I’m a bad Canadian because of my political/social beliefs, but I don’t expect sympathy for this in this particular forum, lol. (And speaking of my Trudeau Derangement Syndrome, he’s clearly suffering from Harper Derangement Syndrome since he continues to campaign against him, lol.)

And I’ll say it again, Trudeau is Trump, more on display than ever with his conspiracy theories he’s broadcasting.

HughFreakingDillon

good god. I can't even.......

Meltdown99

“We can’t risk letting anyone else be in charge”.  Trudeau

what a narcissistic arrogant asshole.

This country accomplished great big things before Trudeau came along, with other people in charge.

Trudeau accomplishments was to over regulate weed and assisted death…lmfao.

dignin

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

erebus said:

Or maybe have your say with your vote?

We’re also supposed to be able to interact with our politicians directly. I sent Trudeau’s office numerous messages over the last six years. Not once was it acknowledged at all. I emailed my local MP (a Liberal) and heard back directly in a couple days. I don’t necessarily expect a personal reply from the nation’s PM, but why even allow messages to be sent if the impression one is left with is that they have been ignored? That only leads to frustration and eventually anger.

Although, your question is equally applicable to the statue vandalizers and church arsonists, but that hasn’t been the message to those groups. Some of us believe that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, lol.

one group is oppressed and had genocide committed against them, the other group is pissed they have to wear masks and get a vaccine to see a movie. 

no, these are in no way equal. not even in the slightest. 

So one violence is acceptable and another isn’t? It really is that simple. If they’re not equal before the law (as seems to be the case) then this society has no interest in equality and I become even more fearful for the future. I understand First Nations issues are hot-button problems at the moment, all the more reason to solve them rationally (voting and social activism) rather than via violence.

 I’ll suggest that any innocent families that happened past some of these statue topplings might have felt unsafe in the moment. And burn down any other religious building and it’s instantly a hate crime.

But throwing pebbles at a “leader” who is doing everything he can to divide society is too far? Again, I don’t agree with the act, but if we’re calling arson “understandable” then so is this. I get that most of you haven’t been subject to 6 years of scorn and derision from Trudeau, but that’s a wrong that is occurring in real-time, not historical. My Prime Minister has spent 6 years saying I’m a bad Canadian because of my political/social beliefs, but I don’t expect sympathy for this in this particular forum, lol. (And speaking of my Trudeau Derangement Syndrome, he’s clearly suffering from Harper Derangement Syndrome since he continues to campaign against him, lol.)

And I’ll say it again, Trudeau is Trump, more on display than ever with his conspiracy theories he’s broadcasting.

Haha, really?

DarthMaeglin

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

erebus said:

Or maybe have your say with your vote?

We’re also supposed to be able to interact with our politicians directly. I sent Trudeau’s office numerous messages over the last six years. Not once was it acknowledged at all. I emailed my local MP (a Liberal) and heard back directly in a couple days. I don’t necessarily expect a personal reply from the nation’s PM, but why even allow messages to be sent if the impression one is left with is that they have been ignored? That only leads to frustration and eventually anger.

Although, your question is equally applicable to the statue vandalizers and church arsonists, but that hasn’t been the message to those groups. Some of us believe that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, lol.

one group is oppressed and had genocide committed against them, the other group is pissed they have to wear masks and get a vaccine to see a movie. 

no, these are in no way equal. not even in the slightest. 

So one violence is acceptable and another isn’t? It really is that simple. If they’re not equal before the law (as seems to be the case) then this society has no interest in equality and I become even more fearful for the future. I understand First Nations issues are hot-button problems at the moment, all the more reason to solve them rationally (voting and social activism) rather than via violence.

 I’ll suggest that any innocent families that happened past some of these statue topplings might have felt unsafe in the moment. And burn down any other religious building and it’s instantly a hate crime.

But throwing pebbles at a “leader” who is doing everything he can to divide society is too far? Again, I don’t agree with the act, but if we’re calling arson “understandable” then so is this. I get that most of you haven’t been subject to 6 years of scorn and derision from Trudeau, but that’s a wrong that is occurring in real-time, not historical. My Prime Minister has spent 6 years saying I’m a bad Canadian because of my political/social beliefs, but I don’t expect sympathy for this in this particular forum, lol. (And speaking of my Trudeau Derangement Syndrome, he’s clearly suffering from Harper Derangement Syndrome since he continues to campaign against him, lol.)

And I’ll say it again, Trudeau is Trump, more on display than ever with his conspiracy theories he’s broadcasting.

Haha, really?

Yes, really. It may have turned into a bit of a ramble, but it is how I feel. It is funny how there was no outrage (probably because it was barely reported on) when Bernier was egged last week.

So we’ve established that no one agrees with throwing pebbles at politicians (though some of us may have an understanding as to the why), what are peoples’ thoughts on Trudeau’s current rhetoric? Responsible? Dangerous? Desperate?

erebus

I agree that nothing should be thrown at people period. There are no acceptable circumstances. anyone, any party 

I personally think that it is going to be an extremely close result. Definitely a minority. Is a Liberal/Conservative result going to be markedly different?
that is why I would like to see the NDP get a chance for once. 

HughFreakingDillon

O'Toole refused to answer whether he would leave abortion rights alone. That on its own disqualifies him. 

dignin

DarthMaeglin said:

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

erebus said:

Or maybe have your say with your vote?

We’re also supposed to be able to interact with our politicians directly. I sent Trudeau’s office numerous messages over the last six years. Not once was it acknowledged at all. I emailed my local MP (a Liberal) and heard back directly in a couple days. I don’t necessarily expect a personal reply from the nation’s PM, but why even allow messages to be sent if the impression one is left with is that they have been ignored? That only leads to frustration and eventually anger.

Although, your question is equally applicable to the statue vandalizers and church arsonists, but that hasn’t been the message to those groups. Some of us believe that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, lol.

one group is oppressed and had genocide committed against them, the other group is pissed they have to wear masks and get a vaccine to see a movie. 

no, these are in no way equal. not even in the slightest. 

So one violence is acceptable and another isn’t? It really is that simple. If they’re not equal before the law (as seems to be the case) then this society has no interest in equality and I become even more fearful for the future. I understand First Nations issues are hot-button problems at the moment, all the more reason to solve them rationally (voting and social activism) rather than via violence.

 I’ll suggest that any innocent families that happened past some of these statue topplings might have felt unsafe in the moment. And burn down any other religious building and it’s instantly a hate crime.

But throwing pebbles at a “leader” who is doing everything he can to divide society is too far? Again, I don’t agree with the act, but if we’re calling arson “understandable” then so is this. I get that most of you haven’t been subject to 6 years of scorn and derision from Trudeau, but that’s a wrong that is occurring in real-time, not historical. My Prime Minister has spent 6 years saying I’m a bad Canadian because of my political/social beliefs, but I don’t expect sympathy for this in this particular forum, lol. (And speaking of my Trudeau Derangement Syndrome, he’s clearly suffering from Harper Derangement Syndrome since he continues to campaign against him, lol.)

And I’ll say it again, Trudeau is Trump, more on display than ever with his conspiracy theories he’s broadcasting.

Haha, really?

Yes, really. It may have turned into a bit of a ramble, but it is how I feel. It is funny how there was no outrage (probably because it was barely reported on) when Bernier was egged last week.

So we’ve established that no one agrees with throwing pebbles at politicians (though some of us may have an understanding as to the why), what are peoples’ thoughts on Trudeau’s current rhetoric? Responsible? Dangerous? Desperate?

Right, and responsible. I want to see more of it. Makes me want to vote for his party.

I'm fucking done with these anti masker/vaccine assholes. They are putting my 3 and 6 year old kids at risk.

The country is not divided on this. Over 80% of Canadians agree on this. That's not division.

Also, using the word pebbles is ridiculous.

HughFreakingDillon

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

erebus said:

Or maybe have your say with your vote?

We’re also supposed to be able to interact with our politicians directly. I sent Trudeau’s office numerous messages over the last six years. Not once was it acknowledged at all. I emailed my local MP (a Liberal) and heard back directly in a couple days. I don’t necessarily expect a personal reply from the nation’s PM, but why even allow messages to be sent if the impression one is left with is that they have been ignored? That only leads to frustration and eventually anger.

Although, your question is equally applicable to the statue vandalizers and church arsonists, but that hasn’t been the message to those groups. Some of us believe that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, lol.

one group is oppressed and had genocide committed against them, the other group is pissed they have to wear masks and get a vaccine to see a movie. 

no, these are in no way equal. not even in the slightest. 

So one violence is acceptable and another isn’t? It really is that simple. If they’re not equal before the law (as seems to be the case) then this society has no interest in equality and I become even more fearful for the future. I understand First Nations issues are hot-button problems at the moment, all the more reason to solve them rationally (voting and social activism) rather than via violence.

 I’ll suggest that any innocent families that happened past some of these statue topplings might have felt unsafe in the moment. And burn down any other religious building and it’s instantly a hate crime.

But throwing pebbles at a “leader” who is doing everything he can to divide society is too far? Again, I don’t agree with the act, but if we’re calling arson “understandable” then so is this. I get that most of you haven’t been subject to 6 years of scorn and derision from Trudeau, but that’s a wrong that is occurring in real-time, not historical. My Prime Minister has spent 6 years saying I’m a bad Canadian because of my political/social beliefs, but I don’t expect sympathy for this in this particular forum, lol. (And speaking of my Trudeau Derangement Syndrome, he’s clearly suffering from Harper Derangement Syndrome since he continues to campaign against him, lol.)

And I’ll say it again, Trudeau is Trump, more on display than ever with his conspiracy theories he’s broadcasting.

Haha, really?

Yes, really. It may have turned into a bit of a ramble, but it is how I feel. It is funny how there was no outrage (probably because it was barely reported on) when Bernier was egged last week.

So we’ve established that no one agrees with throwing pebbles at politicians (though some of us may have an understanding as to the why), what are peoples’ thoughts on Trudeau’s current rhetoric? Responsible? Dangerous? Desperate?

Right, and responsible. I want to see more of it. Makes me want to vote for his party.

I'm fucking done with these anti masker/vaccine assholes. They are putting my 3 and 6 year old kids at risk.

The country is not divided on this. Over 80% of Canadians agree on this. That's not division.

Also, using the word pebbles is ridiculous.

imagine if it were O toole or Singh being pelted with "pebbles". LOL. they'd start decrying the "violent left" and whatnot and how Trudeau is to blame for it. 

yeah, I don't get this nonsense about "most divisive PM ever". he's actually matured from "super nice guy PM" to "taking no more shit". and I'm down with it. 

I'll be voting Trudeau again. 

Parksy

Zod said:

I do feel like every country has it's percentage of crazies.  I feel like here in Canada our percentage is lower than other countries, especially the US?

I think one of the hard parts of the 21st century is how much exposure vocal minorities get.  Sometimes a very small percentage of the population has the ability to make something appear more significant than it is.

^ This.. This applies to SO, SO much. That and the lack of fact checking. 

DarthMaeglin

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

erebus said:

Or maybe have your say with your vote?

We’re also supposed to be able to interact with our politicians directly. I sent Trudeau’s office numerous messages over the last six years. Not once was it acknowledged at all. I emailed my local MP (a Liberal) and heard back directly in a couple days. I don’t necessarily expect a personal reply from the nation’s PM, but why even allow messages to be sent if the impression one is left with is that they have been ignored? That only leads to frustration and eventually anger.

Although, your question is equally applicable to the statue vandalizers and church arsonists, but that hasn’t been the message to those groups. Some of us believe that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, lol.

one group is oppressed and had genocide committed against them, the other group is pissed they have to wear masks and get a vaccine to see a movie. 

no, these are in no way equal. not even in the slightest. 

So one violence is acceptable and another isn’t? It really is that simple. If they’re not equal before the law (as seems to be the case) then this society has no interest in equality and I become even more fearful for the future. I understand First Nations issues are hot-button problems at the moment, all the more reason to solve them rationally (voting and social activism) rather than via violence.

 I’ll suggest that any innocent families that happened past some of these statue topplings might have felt unsafe in the moment. And burn down any other religious building and it’s instantly a hate crime.

But throwing pebbles at a “leader” who is doing everything he can to divide society is too far? Again, I don’t agree with the act, but if we’re calling arson “understandable” then so is this. I get that most of you haven’t been subject to 6 years of scorn and derision from Trudeau, but that’s a wrong that is occurring in real-time, not historical. My Prime Minister has spent 6 years saying I’m a bad Canadian because of my political/social beliefs, but I don’t expect sympathy for this in this particular forum, lol. (And speaking of my Trudeau Derangement Syndrome, he’s clearly suffering from Harper Derangement Syndrome since he continues to campaign against him, lol.)

And I’ll say it again, Trudeau is Trump, more on display than ever with his conspiracy theories he’s broadcasting.

Haha, really?

Yes, really. It may have turned into a bit of a ramble, but it is how I feel. It is funny how there was no outrage (probably because it was barely reported on) when Bernier was egged last week.

So we’ve established that no one agrees with throwing pebbles at politicians (though some of us may have an understanding as to the why), what are peoples’ thoughts on Trudeau’s current rhetoric? Responsible? Dangerous? Desperate?

Right, and responsible. I want to see more of it. Makes me want to vote for his party.

I'm fucking done with these anti masker/vaccine assholes. They are putting my 3 and 6 year old kids at risk.

The country is not divided on this. Over 80% of Canadians agree on this. That's not division.

Also, using the word pebbles is ridiculous.

Using the word rock (as it was initially presented here) is equally disingenuous. Can we settle on using gravel?

Meltdown99

'I'm pro-choice,' O'Toole says as abortion issue emerges on the campaign trail | CBC News

O'Toole is against aborting based on sex...nothing wrong with that.  

Anyways the abortion issue has been settled since 1988 and the liberals and their bought and paid-for media need wedge issue.

Notice Trudeau isn't discussing his failed 6 years as PM...

Hey at least he has nice hair and socks...lmfao

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

'I'm pro-choice,' O'Toole says as abortion issue emerges on the campaign trail | CBC News

O'Toole is against aborting based on sex...nothing wrong with that.  

Anyways the abortion issue has been settled since 1988 and the liberals and their bought and paid-for media need wedge issue.

Notice Trudeau isn't discussing his failed 6 years as PM...

Hey at least he has nice hair and socks...lmfao

read your own link. 

O'Toole also recently voted against a bill introduced by a fellow Conservative caucus member that would have banned "sex-selective" abortions. While most Conservative MPs backed the legislation, O'Toole did not.

"I'm pro-choice and I'm a pro-choice leader, period," O'Toole told reporters today at an Ottawa campaign stop.

"Let me be perfectly clear. As a pro-choice leader of this party, I will make sure that we defend the rights of women to make the choice for themselves with respect to their own health. We will make sure abortion services are available from one ocean to the other."

HughFreakingDillon

and failure? ridiculous. from the national post, September of 2019:

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/a-look-at-policy-areas-scrutinized-by-a-new-book-on-the-trudeau-government

In short, the experts found that by March of this year Trudeau’s government had entirely followed through on about 50 per cent of its pledges, partially delivered on about 40 per cent and had broken roughly 10 per cent.

I'd say that's pretty fucking successful. 

HughFreakingDillon

on the other hand, O'Toole has flip flopped, what, 3 times now, whether he's going to keep assault rifles banned or not?

yeah, what a leader. 

Meltdown99

Has the RCMP started an investigation into pebble gate?  Surely throwing pebbles at the pm is a crime? Yes/no?  If no, then obviously our past legislature’s did not  want to make throwing pebbles illegal because they envisioned a time when there’d be a need to throw pebbles…or why has no arrest been made?  Cameras everywhere?  Hmmmmm…. Maybe those very sneaky liberals are the pebble tossers…hmmmm.