my wife is catholic (a few of her aunts are nuns). she doesn't go to church. you don't have to go to church to be considered "practicing".
catholics disagree with the pope all the time. how is that not permitted? is he supposed to blindly support everything one human stands for?
I hear what you’re saying but I personally take a different perspective, while always bowing to the idea of “to each their own”. I’d be curious what is required to qualify as “practicing” these days.
So, a brief explanation of my perspective on religious labelling(?). I was raised Anglican but can’t claim that denomination despite still identifying as a Christian, but not a practicing one (it’s my faith if that makes sense). I can’t use that identifier (Anglican) precisely because I don’t attend church and also disagree with some of the church’s policies (probably not in the way some might assume about me, lol). But that’s my own standards which I ultimately try not to impose on others, even if I don’t always sound that way.
To the thread in general: I apologize, I’m letting my back get up again which is exactly why I took a break from posting here. I’ll still maintain that there are some valid points buried in my partisan rhetoric however. I think maybe I should go back to “read only”, lol.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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I appreciate your perspective. And for the record, I read your comment about Trudeau the same way PJ Soul did, until you said that was putting words on your mouth.
I feel the conservative bent that Trudeau picked an easy target with this kid is disingenuous. Had he ignored him, people would call him a coward. Engaging young people is how you get more of them out to vote, which is smart if you’re liberal.
I appreciate your perspective. And for the record, I read your comment about Trudeau the same way PJ Soul did, until you said that was putting words on your mouth.
I feel the conservative bent that Trudeau picked an easy target with this kid is disingenuous. Had he ignored him, people would call him a coward. Engaging young people is how you get more of them out to vote, which is smart if you’re liberal.
We need more than the video available to see how the interaction began for anyone to say Trudeau somehow singled out the man as an easy target, agreed.
As I said above I’m not even convinced of the authenticity of the encounter (again, not on Trudeau’s end), the individual seems like too easy a target, especially with what and how the man volunteers (he’s rarely, if ever, given a chance to fully explain himself or his views with Trudeau’s incessant interruptions). I’m just not convinced it’s legit, again suggesting moreso that the young man was trying to goad Trudeau into saying something stupid (mission accomplished in my books with the Muslim question).
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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I’m never convinced 100% that these things aren’t staged, regardless of party affiliation.
I don’t see “incessant interruptions”. I see JT keeping the discussion on track.
And his Muslim question is extremely relevant. This kid is suggesting that Christianity should be the law of the land, JT’s Muslim question was asking why shouldn’t the law reflect all peoples instead of one group?
Muslims make up nearly as many religious people as Christians on the planet. Not sure why that example is problematic.
I’m never convinced 100% that these things aren’t staged, regardless of party affiliation.
I don’t see “incessant interruptions”. I see JT keeping the discussion on track.
And his Muslim question is extremely relevant. This kid is suggesting that Christianity should be the law of the land, JT’s Muslim question was asking why shouldn’t the law reflect all peoples instead of one group?
Muslims make up nearly as many religious people as Christians on the planet. Not sure why that example is problematic.
No offence but I really think you need to rewatch the clip, since you’re putting words in the young man’s mouth again. All he does is identify as Christian and makes no claim that it should be the law of the land (his faith simply informs his own beliefs).
And the way Trudeau asks the question (the exact quote is still above) has nothing to do with the law. “So mostly Christian, so you don’t think we should be supporting the Muslims?” (Likely slightly inaccurate quote there since I went from my memory.) Again, as someone who (in a general sense) identifies as Christian I do feel his statement threw my entire faith under the bus. When was the last time he asked a Muslim why they don’t think they should support the Jews (or vice versa)?
It’s been suggested (rightly so) that I have a difficult time being objective about Trudeau and his interactions. It’s very clear though that I’m not the only one with that issue. For my part I can at least say that I make a concentrated effort to watch the raw footage as objectively as I can (with varying degrees of success admittedly).
Please believe me that I really don’t like casting aspersions at others but at the same time I have to call it as I see it (which is all any of us can do, ultimately).
Edit: What’s the response to the Muslim question? I believe the young man replies that he supports everyone hardly a call to make Christianity the law of the land.
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he literally says "abortion is against Christianity". to me that means he thinks the law should reflect Christianity.
"when was the last time he asked a Muslim why they don't think they should support the Jews or vice versa". Red herring. Has he been asked on camera by any Muslims or Jews any questions "I don't like (this issue) because it's not Muslim"? Not that I've seen. Maybe you'd be right. But until that happens, it's only guesswork.
I really don't know why I have to keep "defending my objectivity" about Trudeau. I think I have a pretty solid track record of bipartisan bitching (maybe more so in American politics than CDN). lol. I just think most of the stuff that is brought up here really comes across as just hate.
Yes, he's fucked up. Plenty. Maybe I'm desensitized to how awful politicians are in the US, so JT's transgressions don't seem that bad. I don't know. But he just doesn't anger me like he does others.
he literally says "abortion is against Christianity". to me that means he thinks the law should reflect Christianity.
"when was the last time he asked a Muslim why they don't think they should support the Jews or vice versa". Red herring. Has he been asked on camera by any Muslims or Jews any questions "I don't like (this issue) because it's not Muslim"? Not that I've seen. Maybe you'd be right. But until that happens, it's only guesswork.
I really don't know why I have to keep "defending my objectivity" about Trudeau. I think I have a pretty solid track record of bipartisan bitching (maybe more so in American politics than CDN). lol. I just think most of the stuff that is brought up here really comes across as just hate.
Yes, he's fucked up. Plenty. Maybe I'm desensitized to how awful politicians are in the US, so JT's transgressions don't seem that bad. I don't know. But he just doesn't anger me like he does others.
Not a red herring in my opinion and you seem to be moving parts of their conversation to suit your view here. I also went to rewatch the video to see if I was wrong about Trudeau cutting the young man off, and I wasn’t wrong.
And feeling abortion is immoral is hardly the same as insisting it should be the law of the land.
I haven’t even mentioned Trudeau’s tendency to go to the worst-case scenario for his arguments. It removes any chance at a nuanced discussion.
But let’s bash the (supposed) PPC supporter but bless Trudeau.
And after the weekend I will say again that if Trudeau will accept public adoration then he needs to steel himself to also face any hostility based on his policies. And I apply that to ALL politicians. Unfortunately in today’s environment it’s an all-or-nothing environment.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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he literally says "abortion is against Christianity". to me that means he thinks the law should reflect Christianity.
"when was the last time he asked a Muslim why they don't think they should support the Jews or vice versa". Red herring. Has he been asked on camera by any Muslims or Jews any questions "I don't like (this issue) because it's not Muslim"? Not that I've seen. Maybe you'd be right. But until that happens, it's only guesswork.
I really don't know why I have to keep "defending my objectivity" about Trudeau. I think I have a pretty solid track record of bipartisan bitching (maybe more so in American politics than CDN). lol. I just think most of the stuff that is brought up here really comes across as just hate.
Yes, he's fucked up. Plenty. Maybe I'm desensitized to how awful politicians are in the US, so JT's transgressions don't seem that bad. I don't know. But he just doesn't anger me like he does others.
As I thought about I suppose you could be right that the young man might wish that his version of Christianity form the law of the land (anymore than it already is obviously). However that same statement could easily apply to many faiths. It would have been helpful for the man to explain what exactly he meant but I still maintain he wasn’t really given the opportunity.
Lots of assumptions and mischaracterization by both sides we might be able to agree.
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sorry. don't know how we saw something so differently. he answered questions from someone who clearly doesn't approve of him or his policies. he let the man give his point and Trudeau gave his counter point. the only "cutting off" is so JT could himself explain himself or ask a follow up question. I've seen him do this several times. Just because he wouldn't give the convoy an ear doesn't mean he hasn't done this several times to people who are rational adults willing to have an actual conversation.
who's bashing the PPC guy? All I stated was my thoughts on his beliefs. he's entitled to them. I happen to disagree with them. that's not "bashing".
"bless Trudeau". come on now. now you're just getting silly.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean, she's speaking to her own experience, but obviously that's going to come off as out of touch to people who don't have the option of such extravagances. but what does she do? lie? she didn't say she was struggling financially. she used it as an example of simply trimming the fat.
my wife and I don't make a lot of money. But I don't get outraged over comments like this from elected officials or whomever. I just chalk it up to personal experience.
but now she has to feel guilty because she makes a shitload of money.
on a related note, I'm not sure why salaries of elected officials got so out of reality. I mean, shouldn't a freaking teacher/cop/firefighter/nurse make more than an elected official? tell me why she deserves nearly $300K. maybe they had to raise them at a time when no one was interested in running for office. But now I think a lot run for office because of the salary, not in spite of it.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean, she's speaking to her own experience, but obviously that's going to come off as out of touch to people who don't have the option of such extravagances. but what does she do? lie? she didn't say she was struggling financially. she used it as an example of simply trimming the fat.
my wife and I don't make a lot of money. But I don't get outraged over comments like this from elected officials or whomever. I just chalk it up to personal experience.
but now she has to feel guilty because she makes a shitload of money.
on a related note, I'm not sure why salaries of elected officials got so out of reality. I mean, shouldn't a freaking teacher/cop/firefighter/nurse make more than an elected official? tell me why she deserves nearly $300K. maybe they had to raise them at a time when no one was interested in running for office. But now I think a lot run for office because of the salary, not in spite of it.
I agree with you about how she intended the remark but thought it did illustrate how she isn’t truly in touch with the average Canadian. There’s better examples she could have used but that’s what she went with. I admit I find it a bit odd that it resurfaced.
As far as making her feel guilty about how much she makes I don’t think that’s what’s happening, it’s being used as a point of reference (contrasted to the average national wage in the articles I read), with some publications obviously using it to stress how out of touch she is with most of us.
Salaries really are sticky issue and I have to start off acknowledging that I don’t know how they compare with executives in the private sector (from what little I do know their salaries they seem to be lower). I do agree with the idea that they should be decently compensated (I believe I read somewhere that the average MP makes a bit under $200,000), what I object to is the automatic raises they get (I believe tied to inflation) regardless of current circumstances. It was sad that they couldn’t have paused them during the height of covid. Part of the higher-than-average salaries should also reflect the higher profile nature of the job as well.
A large part of Freeland’s higher salary is her role as a cabinet minister, which I don’t really have a problem with, although one area that could maybe do with some scrutiny is the perks (that I’m assuming escalate with cabinet positions and the like). I’m pretty ignorant of most of their perks as well, lol.
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I guess part of it is I'm ignorant as to what they actually do all day, and wonder if their duties = their compensation.
Yeah, it’s hard to gauge from the outside looking in at the end of the day, lol. One side says they have a dream job while they themselves would have us believe they toil incessantly for the greater good. As usual the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, lol.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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I also find question period to be a colossal waste of time and resources. they say it's 45 minutes per day. But how much time do each of these MP's waste coming up with their "gotcha questions" of the other side? and then discussing with their colleagues afterwards? I'd like a real window into the daily life of an MP. My guess is I get more done and have more stress than they do, at a fraction of the pay.
I have had family members and family friends involved in provincial politics, which I know isn’t the same as federal, but it sounds like a real grind. There’s a ton of travel from your home riding to the legislature/parliament and requirements for how much time you spend in your constituency office and dealing with your constituent issues. Lots of long days spent going to events that you probably don’t really care about (opening this service office, attending a breakfast meeting of these titans of local industry, evening events for every local production, etc). Lots and lots of meetings. Not a job I would ever remotely want to do and it’s worse for federal politics due to the distances involved.
Add in the current relentless harassment on social media in particular, the death threats, rape threats and other unpleasantries, and no way that job is worth it.
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Here in Ontario we're reaping what we sowed with a 30% voter turnout in the June 2022 election. The liberal and NDP candidates at the time were incompetent. This PC Government is full of grifters and crooks.
Aside from sending out license renewal checks in amounts that defied logic, what positive differences have they made in the lives of citizens of Ontario?
It's embarassing and frustrating that DoFo can be plopped into a grade 8 classroom tomorrow and he'd be far from the smartest person in the room.
PC Government agenda: -Give law enforcement what they want, despite history showing that has never solved the crime problem. -Screw the environment ..... Destroy the green belt and build a casino on the Ontario Place grounds. No way that ends up being a spa. Who the heck is going to go over there to visit a monstrous private spa? - Ruin public health care - Ruin public education - ignore the vulnerable people in our communities.... old people, people with cognitive exceptionalities, people on disability, homeless - tax breaks given to filthy rich developers, which in turn raises taxes for municipal residents
I'm not suggesting the other parties are not without their faults, but this PC party is actually hurting the province while it enriches itself and its friends with public money. Criminals
same in Manitoba. Heather Stefanson (installed as premier when Pallister retired. She's fucking literally everything up, and the only decent thing ($10 a day day care), she is taking credit for. This was a federal mandate. And the PC's are lambasting the city with billboards about this being one of their accomplishments. her approval rating is in the low 20's.
in 6 months we'll have our first Indigenous premier, unless he wildly fucks up the campaign.
Yah I didn't have to get one. My work tried to say if people didn't do it, they'd have to do things like wear a faceshield all the time, but it was a bluff.. at least as far I know.
I had to get one to keep my job. Looking back I don’t know how necessary that was, but hindsight is always 20/20. At the time it seemed reasonable. But again, they didn’t handcuff us and jab it in our arms against our will.
I understand some take the stance the choice that we were sometimes faced with didn’t seem like a choice at all, and I get that, but I hate this “forced vaccination” nonsense. Gives people the wrong impression.
I saw nowhere anyone getting the vaccine against their will. That’s not revisionist. It’s the truth.
This is part of the problem. You’re correct, he didn’t force anyone to get the vaccine. However he helped set the stage by his own mandates for federally refunded employees and travel restrictions for the rest of us.
To now claim that those were “incentives” is being disingenuous at best, gaslighting at the worst as the column suggests. Those were (arbitrary) restrictions, which qualifies as the stick, not the carrot (actual incentives).
And calling the hesitant a “fringe minority” with “unacceptable views” proves the lie of his current words. But then again, maybe I’m just experiencing things differently, just like the woman who was subject to the Kokanee Grope.
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they WERE fringe. a very small minority is the exact definition of "fringe". that's what they were. just because they were loud as fuck doesn't make the group bigger.
Trudeau is not an outlier here. We couldn't even fly to the US without a vaccine. that was an AMERICAN requirement. that goes for dozens of democratic countries around the world.
his opinion was that they held unacceptable views. how does that prove he lied about anything? that's a leap
Nevermind, I see clearly now that hyperbole is accepted when applied to conservatives (ie Doug Ford WILL build a casino at Ontario Place in spite of firm agreements in place), but must be contradicted when directed at the "progressives". If neither side is willing to take an honest appraisal of themselves then we truly are fucked in my opinion, in which case it's probably a good thing Trudeau is disarming the population in advance of more serious conflicts down the road (which we all know will only be instigated by the evil right).
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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they WERE fringe. a very small minority is the exact definition of "fringe". that's what they were. just because they were loud as fuck doesn't make the group bigger.
Trudeau is not an outlier here. We couldn't even fly to the US without a vaccine. that was an AMERICAN requirement. that goes for dozens of democratic countries around the world.
his opinion was that they held unacceptable views. how does that prove he lied about anything? that's a leap
The vaccine mandate extended to domestic flights as well as international, if I recall correctly.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Nevermind, I see clearly now that hyperbole is accepted when applied to conservatives (ie Doug Ford WILL build a casino at Ontario Place in spite of firm agreements in place), but must be contradicted when directed at the "progressives". If neither side is willing to take an honest appraisal of themselves then we truly are fucked in my opinion, in which case it's probably a good thing Trudeau is disarming the population in advance of more serious conflicts down the road (which we all know will only be instigated by the evil right).
well I guess I missed your hyperbolicity. I'm not sure what went over my head.
they WERE fringe. a very small minority is the exact definition of "fringe". that's what they were. just because they were loud as fuck doesn't make the group bigger.
Trudeau is not an outlier here. We couldn't even fly to the US without a vaccine. that was an AMERICAN requirement. that goes for dozens of democratic countries around the world.
his opinion was that they held unacceptable views. how does that prove he lied about anything? that's a leap
The vaccine mandate extended to domestic flights as well as international, if I recall correctly.
yes, it was. my point was that his mandates were not out of line with most of the rest of the planet. but conservatives are making it out like they were.
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So, a brief explanation of my perspective on religious labelling(?). I was raised Anglican but can’t claim that denomination despite still identifying as a Christian, but not a practicing one (it’s my faith if that makes sense). I can’t use that identifier (Anglican) precisely because I don’t attend church and also disagree with some of the church’s policies (probably not in the way some might assume about me, lol). But that’s my own standards which I ultimately try not to impose on others, even if I don’t always sound that way.
To the thread in general: I apologize, I’m letting my back get up again which is exactly why I took a break from posting here. I’ll still maintain that there are some valid points buried in my partisan rhetoric however. I think maybe I should go back to “read only”, lol.
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As I said above I’m not even convinced of the authenticity of the encounter (again, not on Trudeau’s end), the individual seems like too easy a target, especially with what and how the man volunteers (he’s rarely, if ever, given a chance to fully explain himself or his views with Trudeau’s incessant interruptions). I’m just not convinced it’s legit, again suggesting moreso that the young man was trying to goad Trudeau into saying something stupid (mission accomplished in my books with the Muslim question).
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And the way Trudeau asks the question (the exact quote is still above) has nothing to do with the law. “So mostly Christian, so you don’t think we should be supporting the Muslims?” (Likely slightly inaccurate quote there since I went from my memory.) Again, as someone who (in a general sense) identifies as Christian I do feel his statement threw my entire faith under the bus. When was the last time he asked a Muslim why they don’t think they should support the Jews (or vice versa)?
It’s been suggested (rightly so) that I have a difficult time being objective about Trudeau and his interactions. It’s very clear though that I’m not the only one with that issue. For my part I can at least say that I make a concentrated effort to watch the raw footage as objectively as I can (with varying degrees of success admittedly).
Please believe me that I really don’t like casting aspersions at others but at the same time I have to call it as I see it (which is all any of us can do, ultimately).
Edit: What’s the response to the Muslim question? I believe the young man replies that he supports everyone hardly a call to make Christianity the law of the land.
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"when was the last time he asked a Muslim why they don't think they should support the Jews or vice versa". Red herring. Has he been asked on camera by any Muslims or Jews any questions "I don't like (this issue) because it's not Muslim"? Not that I've seen. Maybe you'd be right. But until that happens, it's only guesswork.
I really don't know why I have to keep "defending my objectivity" about Trudeau. I think I have a pretty solid track record of bipartisan bitching (maybe more so in American politics than CDN). lol. I just think most of the stuff that is brought up here really comes across as just hate.
Yes, he's fucked up. Plenty. Maybe I'm desensitized to how awful politicians are in the US, so JT's transgressions don't seem that bad. I don't know. But he just doesn't anger me like he does others.
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And feeling abortion is immoral is hardly the same as insisting it should be the law of the land.
I haven’t even mentioned Trudeau’s tendency to go to the worst-case scenario for his arguments. It removes any chance at a nuanced discussion.
But let’s bash the (supposed) PPC supporter but bless Trudeau.
And after the weekend I will say again that if Trudeau will accept public adoration then he needs to steel himself to also face any hostility based on his policies. And I apply that to ALL politicians. Unfortunately in today’s environment it’s an all-or-nothing environment.
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Lots of assumptions and mischaracterization by both sides we might be able to agree.
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who's bashing the PPC guy? All I stated was my thoughts on his beliefs. he's entitled to them. I happen to disagree with them. that's not "bashing".
"bless Trudeau". come on now. now you're just getting silly.
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I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean, she's speaking to her own experience, but obviously that's going to come off as out of touch to people who don't have the option of such extravagances. but what does she do? lie? she didn't say she was struggling financially. she used it as an example of simply trimming the fat.
my wife and I don't make a lot of money. But I don't get outraged over comments like this from elected officials or whomever. I just chalk it up to personal experience.
but now she has to feel guilty because she makes a shitload of money.
on a related note, I'm not sure why salaries of elected officials got so out of reality. I mean, shouldn't a freaking teacher/cop/firefighter/nurse make more than an elected official? tell me why she deserves nearly $300K. maybe they had to raise them at a time when no one was interested in running for office. But now I think a lot run for office because of the salary, not in spite of it.
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As far as making her feel guilty about how much she makes I don’t think that’s what’s happening, it’s being used as a point of reference (contrasted to the average national wage in the articles I read), with some publications obviously using it to stress how out of touch she is with most of us.
Salaries really are sticky issue and I have to start off acknowledging that I don’t know how they compare with executives in the private sector (from what little I do know their salaries they seem to be lower). I do agree with the idea that they should be decently compensated (I believe I read somewhere that the average MP makes a bit under $200,000), what I object to is the automatic raises they get (I believe tied to inflation) regardless of current circumstances. It was sad that they couldn’t have paused them during the height of covid. Part of the higher-than-average salaries should also reflect the higher profile nature of the job as well.
A large part of Freeland’s higher salary is her role as a cabinet minister, which I don’t really have a problem with, although one area that could maybe do with some scrutiny is the perks (that I’m assuming escalate with cabinet positions and the like). I’m pretty ignorant of most of their perks as well, lol.
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media in particular, the death threats, rape threats and other unpleasantries, and no way that job is worth it.
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When's the last time/first time public policy singled out what a male individual can or can't do with their body?
Aside from sending out license renewal checks in amounts that defied logic, what positive differences have they made in the lives of citizens of Ontario?
It's embarassing and frustrating that DoFo can be plopped into a grade 8 classroom tomorrow and he'd be far from the smartest person in the room.
PC Government agenda:
-Give law enforcement what they want, despite history showing that has never solved the crime problem.
-Screw the environment ..... Destroy the green belt and build a casino on the Ontario Place grounds. No way that ends up being a spa. Who the heck is going to go over there to visit a monstrous private spa?
- Ruin public health care
- Ruin public education
- ignore the vulnerable people in our communities.... old people, people with cognitive exceptionalities, people on disability, homeless
- tax breaks given to filthy rich developers, which in turn raises taxes for municipal residents
I'm not suggesting the other parties are not without their faults, but this PC party is actually hurting the province while it enriches itself and its friends with public money. Criminals
* I simply want accountability for politicians
in 6 months we'll have our first Indigenous premier, unless he wildly fucks up the campaign.
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To now claim that those were “incentives” is being disingenuous at best, gaslighting at the worst as the column suggests. Those were (arbitrary) restrictions, which qualifies as the stick, not the carrot (actual incentives).
And calling the hesitant a “fringe minority” with “unacceptable views” proves the lie of his current words. But then again, maybe I’m just experiencing things differently, just like the woman who was subject to the Kokanee Grope.
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Trudeau is not an outlier here. We couldn't even fly to the US without a vaccine. that was an AMERICAN requirement. that goes for dozens of democratic countries around the world.
his opinion was that they held unacceptable views. how does that prove he lied about anything? that's a leap
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