Canadian Politics Redux

JeBurkhardt

HughFreakingDillon said:

JeBurkhardt said:

oftenreading said:

JeBurkhardt said:

I have a question for those of you with a couple of laps around the sun. My last duty station when I was in the USN was Whidbey Island WA in the mid 1990's and we a detachment of Canadian Navy personnel at our facility. They loved using our base medical facilities and had nothing but bad stuff to say about the Canadian medical system. Their complaints are the same as the ones I have been reading about on here; long waits, inefficient, etc. Has the health care situation there gotten better or worse in your opinion from years ago?

You're asking this question 18 months into a pandemic that has had a major impact on the health care systems around the world, so that's going to colour the answers. Many hospitals are struggling, there can be long waits in the ERs, staff are overworked and burned out, elective surgeries have been delayed, sometimes indefinitely, and there's no end in sight. The need to alter essentially all aspects of day to day procedures adds tremendous time and hassle to everything that has to be done in health care right now, which I think is something that doesn't get recognized if you don't work in the system.

On a larger scale, I think that the issue with shortage of family doctors is the major negative change over the years. Pre-pandemic, things had been improving with respect to wait times for elective procedures and such. Quality measures for non-elective procedures have always been good. Covid has been a major drain on health care dollars and has taken the focus away from almost everything else - but no one here goes broke because of health care costs.

I also think that most people would prefer to use one-stop shopping base medical facilities, assuming the quality there is good, because it would be more convenient. 

The pandemic has impacted it for sure. It is doing the same here in larger areas and areas with high COVID numbers. I was thinking more of overall in the years since I was around the Canadians. It seems from the responses that it is easier to get into a Dr. in the US, but once you do, you often have to jump through hoops to get the insurance companies to approve procedures and then hope you can find a provider that is in your network or will take the insurance you have. And you are correct, the cost of medical services, even with decent insurance is out of hand.   

Brock Lesnar (WWE/UFC) has a cottage in my province and goes hunting up here. He came down with a serious case of diverticulitis and was hospitalized and actually nearly died (his account). After he recovered and went back to the States, he infamously kept telling anyone that would listen that Canadian health care is what he imagined would be third world health care. 

I suppose if you don't get all that money can buy, you call it "third world". LOL. 

The haves have not a fucking clue.

Zod

HughFreakingDillon said:

JeBurkhardt said:

oftenreading said:

JeBurkhardt said:

I have a question for those of you with a couple of laps around the sun. My last duty station when I was in the USN was Whidbey Island WA in the mid 1990's and we a detachment of Canadian Navy personnel at our facility. They loved using our base medical facilities and had nothing but bad stuff to say about the Canadian medical system. Their complaints are the same as the ones I have been reading about on here; long waits, inefficient, etc. Has the health care situation there gotten better or worse in your opinion from years ago?

You're asking this question 18 months into a pandemic that has had a major impact on the health care systems around the world, so that's going to colour the answers. Many hospitals are struggling, there can be long waits in the ERs, staff are overworked and burned out, elective surgeries have been delayed, sometimes indefinitely, and there's no end in sight. The need to alter essentially all aspects of day to day procedures adds tremendous time and hassle to everything that has to be done in health care right now, which I think is something that doesn't get recognized if you don't work in the system.

On a larger scale, I think that the issue with shortage of family doctors is the major negative change over the years. Pre-pandemic, things had been improving with respect to wait times for elective procedures and such. Quality measures for non-elective procedures have always been good. Covid has been a major drain on health care dollars and has taken the focus away from almost everything else - but no one here goes broke because of health care costs.

I also think that most people would prefer to use one-stop shopping base medical facilities, assuming the quality there is good, because it would be more convenient. 

The pandemic has impacted it for sure. It is doing the same here in larger areas and areas with high COVID numbers. I was thinking more of overall in the years since I was around the Canadians. It seems from the responses that it is easier to get into a Dr. in the US, but once you do, you often have to jump through hoops to get the insurance companies to approve procedures and then hope you can find a provider that is in your network or will take the insurance you have. And you are correct, the cost of medical services, even with decent insurance is out of hand.   

Brock Lesnar (WWE/UFC) has a cottage in my province and goes hunting up here. He came down with a serious case of diverticulitis and was hospitalized and actually nearly died (his account). After he recovered and went back to the States, he infamously kept telling anyone that would listen that Canadian health care is what he imagined would be third world health care. 

I suppose if you don't get all that money can buy, you call it "third world". LOL. 

To be fair I don't think we rank all that high, when you compare our health care system to other countries that have socialized care.

The US is a tough comparison because if you have the $$ it's amazing, the issue is when you don't. 

Comparing ourselves to our peers (other countries with socialized care) we don't compare all that well

Meltdown99

Now Trudeau wants to fix LTC…lmfao.

another 9 billion dollar program

Meltdown99

erebus

All parties are throwing around house money and promising everything. We all know most of these promises never come to fruition and they are not held accountable.
kudos to the Conservative who won in the Maritimes. He acknowledged the lack of spending and empty promises on healthcare that have accumulated and vowed to clean those issues up first. Said something like “cleaning up the unpaid bills already on the table”Hopefully he comes through 

Zod

Meltdown99 said:

Now Trudeau wants to fix LTC…lmfao.

another 9 billion dollar program

My question on that is, does he intend to give this to the provinces so they spend it on government run LTC, or are we going to watch this go to the horribly run foreign owned private LTC facilities where the cash will probably just leave the country?

Meltdown99

Zod said:

Meltdown99 said:

Now Trudeau wants to fix LTC…lmfao.

another 9 billion dollar program

My question on that is, does he intend to give this to the provinces so they spend it on government run LTC, or are we going to watch this go to the horribly run foreign owned private LTC facilities where the cash will probably just leave the country?

I’m not even really sure why he wants to get involved with LTC.  There are no real details other than he wants to pay workers 25 per.  I would think he’d have to negotiate with the provinces.  

How bout pump 9 billion into our current health care system…

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

Zod said:

Meltdown99 said:

Now Trudeau wants to fix LTC…lmfao.

another 9 billion dollar program

My question on that is, does he intend to give this to the provinces so they spend it on government run LTC, or are we going to watch this go to the horribly run foreign owned private LTC facilities where the cash will probably just leave the country?

I’m not even really sure why he wants to get involved with LTC.  There are no real details other than he wants to pay workers 25 per.  I would think he’d have to negotiate with the provinces.  

How bout pump 9 billion into our current health care system…

Long term care is part of our current health care system. The people in long term care deserve proper care just as much as people in acute care.

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

Zod said:

Meltdown99 said:

Now Trudeau wants to fix LTC…lmfao.

another 9 billion dollar program

My question on that is, does he intend to give this to the provinces so they spend it on government run LTC, or are we going to watch this go to the horribly run foreign owned private LTC facilities where the cash will probably just leave the country?

I’m not even really sure why he wants to get involved with LTC.  There are no real details other than he wants to pay workers 25 per.  I would think he’d have to negotiate with the provinces.  

How bout pump 9 billion into our current health care system…

Long term care is part of our current health care system. The people in long term care deserve proper care just as much as people in acute care.

trudeau haters: fix the health care system!
trudeau: I'm going to fix the health care system!
trudeau haters: why is he wasting our tax dollars on the health care system?

hate on! 

Meltdown99

Twitter adds warning label to tweet from Liberal candidate Chrystia Freeland

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/twitter-labels-freeland-tweet-manipulated-media-1.6149734

Not surprised coming from this classless liberal…

Parksy

Meltdown99 said:

Twitter adds warning label to tweet from Liberal candidate Chrystia Freeland

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/twitter-labels-freeland-tweet-manipulated-media-1.6149734

Not surprised coming from this classless liberal…

SHOCKING!!

..... until the plot twist took place where we all found out that they all do the same thing. But yes, let's blame those classless liberals. 

Side note: some of us didn't need twitter to tell us that politicians were misleading us. But I am glad that they are doing it for those who were dumb enough to think that everything a politician says is fact. 

"Waitttt ... that's not the wallet inspector." - Homer J. Simpson

Meltdown99

The finance minister of a G7 country manipulating video.  Pretty sad.  But not surprising from a party who’s leader does not remember how many times he wore blackface…

LMFAO…

Meltdown99

KINSELLA: In true Trump style, Trudeau doubles down on disinformation

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-in-true-trump-style-trudeau-doubles-down-on-disinformation

In fact, the full video is more than two minutes long and in it, O’Toole stressed that universal health care is paramount. In fact, he said the opposite of what Freeland claimed.

The Liberals had surreptitiously edited the video down to make it seem O’Toole had said something he hadn’t.

For the Liberal war room, it was a disaster. Even Liberal-friendly news outlets like the CBC and the Toronto Star ran critical stories about what Freeland had done. Twitter, for its part, has refused to remove the warning — which its rules say is done in cases where information has been “significantly and deceptively altered or manipulated.”

Did Trudeau apologize for his team’s deception? Did he retract?

Not on your life. Trudeau retweeted Freeland’s disinformation — and then doubled down.

DarthMaeglin

What the fuck, CBC? And they’re (CBC) are apparently in charge of fact-checking Facebook during the election? They really keep making arguments in favour of their defunding (at least the “news” division).

And for clarity, my comment was regarding Freeland’s tweet and how it got 2 sentences on The National. And an explanation would be nice.

Meltdown99

1.4 billion is wasted on the CBC every year…

Meltdown99

The liberal party should have to fund the cbc…

DarthMaeglin

Meltdown99 said:

The liberal party should have to fund the cbc…

I actually support the CBC in principle, I just wish they could be truly nonpartisan in their news coverage. They’ve actually produced a number of good shows over the years (my own main favourites being Wayne & Shuster and The Kids In The Hall). I truly believe they (CBC) do a good job of promoting Canadian culture (such as it is, lol).

I’ll allow the private media companies their bias, but not the state-funded broadcaster. It’s right up there with the public service applauding Trudeau after his 2015 win.

Zod

I'm also not against funding the CBC.  Generally I feel the biggest waste of money are the other major Canadian networks.  The only thing they really bring to the table are news broadcasts.  Everything else that's decent is US content they purchased and slapped their ads over.   They have to make cancon, but aside from news, none of it's worth watching.  Yet they get all sorts of protections from our government.

I kind of wish we just focused the effort into CBC, tried to make it non-partisan, and removed support for Bell/Rogers (aka Global, CTV, etc..).

Meltdown99

Liberals' Maryam Monsef calls Taliban 'our brothers'

https://torontosun.com/news/national/liberals-maryam-monsef-calls-taliban-our-brothers?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1629906092

I believe this twit is the one that lied on her immigration papers … 

Meltdown99