Canadian Politics Redux

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    From Heather Cox Richardson's letter tonight:

    "Today, the Washington Post ran a story by Claire Parker explaining that most Canadian truckers oppose the so-called “Freedom Convoy” protests. Almost all Canadian truckers are vaccinated and resent the protesters, whose shutdown of international borders has “had a very significant negative impact upon our professional driving community,” according to Stephen Laskowski, the president of the Canadian Trucking Alliance."

    Hmm, time for some action up there.  Those other idiots have had plenty of time to get their message out.  With that small a minority jamming up the works, I would think the other guys would start planning a little jamming action of their own.
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  • brianlux said:
    From Heather Cox Richardson's letter tonight:

    "Today, the Washington Post ran a story by Claire Parker explaining that most Canadian truckers oppose the so-called “Freedom Convoy” protests. Almost all Canadian truckers are vaccinated and resent the protesters, whose shutdown of international borders has “had a very significant negative impact upon our professional driving community,” according to Stephen Laskowski, the president of the Canadian Trucking Alliance."

    Hmm, time for some action up there.  Those other idiots have had plenty of time to get their message out.  With that small a minority jamming up the works, I would think the other guys would start planning a little jamming action of their own.
    so as it turns out, WE are the ones that support the truckers. not a surprise. 
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  • NamiNami Posts: 5,995
    Fence around parliament building? 
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  • erebuserebus Posts: 566
    Nami said:
    Fence around parliament building? 
    I know they have been doing massive renovations/construction,  could be part of that
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    Coutts blockaders discussed blocking airport cargo terminals: private threat assessment



    His firm’s threat assessment, obtained exclusively by Global News, found the Coutts blockade was spiritually motivated by far-right Christian ideology and was highly organized, with what appeared to be a leader — unidentified in the assessment — who delegated tasks, and directed its finances and security

    LeMay said there were two distinct groups blocking the border at Coutts and further north along Highway 4 at Milk River, and very few of the protesters were truckers affected by the federal government’s cross-border vaccine mandate.

     
    At Coutts, there was a core group of about 30 to 35 people, and their families, including small children.

    The security firm’s investigation concluded some protesters, particularly within the Coutts group, viewed the presence of children as a potential “shield” from law enforcement tactics but kept the children there despite the risk of harm should police move in.

     “There is an element of this protest by proxy where this relatively small group of Christian right-wing protesters are being used by people with maybe similar agendas to disrupt the supply chain,” LeMay said.

     Critically, the assessment concluded that the blockade, which began under the auspices of protesting COVID-19 public health measures, had become more concerned with “replacing our current democratic system of government with a government that is based upon the principles of the Christian right.

     
    “The rule of law would be replaced with the word of God, as interpreted through right-libertarian ideologies, specifically: civil liberties, natural law, and a major reversal of the modern welfare state,” it said.





    https://globalnews.ca/news/8621733/coutts-blockaders-discussed-blocking-airport-cargo-terminals-private-threat-assessment/



    The Coutts 13: New details on the men and women arrested at Alberta border blockade

  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,858
    dignin said:

    Coutts blockaders discussed blocking airport cargo terminals: private threat assessment



    His firm’s threat assessment, obtained exclusively by Global News, found the Coutts blockade was spiritually motivated by far-right Christian ideology and was highly organized, with what appeared to be a leader — unidentified in the assessment — who delegated tasks, and directed its finances and security

    LeMay said there were two distinct groups blocking the border at Coutts and further north along Highway 4 at Milk River, and very few of the protesters were truckers affected by the federal government’s cross-border vaccine mandate.

     At Coutts, there was a core group of about 30 to 35 people, and their families, including small children.

    The security firm’s investigation concluded some protesters, particularly within the Coutts group, viewed the presence of children as a potential “shield” from law enforcement tactics but kept the children there despite the risk of harm should police move in.

     “There is an element of this protest by proxy where this relatively small group of Christian right-wing protesters are being used by people with maybe similar agendas to disrupt the supply chain,” LeMay said.

     Critically, the assessment concluded that the blockade, which began under the auspices of protesting COVID-19 public health measures, had become more concerned with “replacing our current democratic system of government with a government that is based upon the principles of the Christian right.

     “The rule of law would be replaced with the word of God, as interpreted through right-libertarian ideologies, specifically: civil liberties, natural law, and a major reversal of the modern welfare state,” it said.





    https://globalnews.ca/news/8621733/coutts-blockaders-discussed-blocking-airport-cargo-terminals-private-threat-assessment/



    The Coutts 13: New details on the men and women arrested at Alberta border blockade

    That is interesting, Gilead is supposed to start in the US and have Canada oppose it.  
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,753
    Nami said:
    insane, no good will come of this at all.  
    I take this news with a grain of salt... as Sun media corp are quite biased. 

    That said... this swings both ways and it always does.  Just look at Papa Trump and Co.  If it fits his narrative, he supports companies and is whole heartedly against 'cancel culture' ... but when it doesn't he literally advocates for boycotting. Complete double standard. And please don't think for two seconds that it wouldn't go this way for the freedom convoy.  If Tim Horton's decided tomorrow to post an anti freedom convoy message....  the pro freedom convoy folks and meltdown would be shouting from rooftops to not drink Tim Hortons coffee ever. It would be absolutely naive to think that that's not correct. 

    I agree with you in this case though. The David's Tea thing in particular.  My butcher advocated for this freedom convoy and offered them free food...  I found a different butcher within ten minutes but I didn't feel the need to post a bunch of crap on their social media pages or harass them.  Like it's my choice and that's it. 

    It the wife of a fellow who owns 15% of a company (David's Tea) supports the freedom convoy... I think it's thoughtless and ignorant to start campaigning against the company as a whole.  She's free to do that. (I think it's stupid) And if you don't like it that much, feel free to not support them.  Going beyond that to harm the company sort of puts you in a similar category as the freedom convoy folks in my book. 
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  • Parksy said:
    Nami said:
    insane, no good will come of this at all.  
    I take this news with a grain of salt... as Sun media corp are quite biased. 

    That said... this swings both ways and it always does.  Just look at Papa Trump and Co.  If it fits his narrative, he supports companies and is whole heartedly against 'cancel culture' ... but when it doesn't he literally advocates for boycotting. Complete double standard. And please don't think for two seconds that it wouldn't go this way for the freedom convoy.  If Tim Horton's decided tomorrow to post an anti freedom convoy message....  the pro freedom convoy folks and meltdown would be shouting from rooftops to not drink Tim Hortons coffee ever. It would be absolutely naive to think that that's not correct. 

    I agree with you in this case though. The David's Tea thing in particular.  My butcher advocated for this freedom convoy and offered them free food...  I found a different butcher within ten minutes but I didn't feel the need to post a bunch of crap on their social media pages or harass them.  Like it's my choice and that's it. 

    It the wife of a fellow who owns 15% of a company (David's Tea) supports the freedom convoy... I think it's thoughtless and ignorant to start campaigning against the company as a whole.  She's free to do that. (I think it's stupid) And if you don't like it that much, feel free to not support them.  Going beyond that to harm the company sort of puts you in a similar category as the freedom convoy folks in my book. 
    I strongly agree with pretty much everything you wrote there, I especially like what you said about just living by your values and not needing to bother or harass those of different views. Sadly as you said it does go both ways and people on all sides (not all obviously) for some reason feel the need to impose their views on others (I’ve probably been guilty both here and in real life if even just by my tone, despite my belief that no one gets to tell anyone what to think).

    Personally I’ve never been a fan of name-and-shame campaigns, they do seem a bit Spanish Inquisition/McCarthy-esque (“No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!”).
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  • NamiNami Posts: 5,995
    Agreed,  a further divide which we don't need.

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  • Saw on the ticker today that truckers crossing the border with medical supplies will be exempt from the mandate. I’m so confused, lol!
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  • And I’m sorry but Trudeau owes Lantsman an apology on the floor (and the record) of the House. Doesn’t make him an anti-semite but he’s a huge asshole.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-conservative-swastikas-1.6354970

    Been in and out of the proceedings today, interesting points on all sides but still no compelling case for the Emergencies Act.
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604
    edited February 2022
    Crap, I’m starting to spam, sorry, but it was just stated one of the Ottawa protest leaders has been arrested, then I did a search and saw this. Hmmm, vote will happen as the authorities clean up outside with the protesters in jail?

    Edit to add a shot of a supposedly live shot of Ottawa, doesn’t look like it’s going down right now, lol. Found the Parliament Hill webcam first.






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  • NamiNami Posts: 5,995
    https://youtu.be/wTBxceB9xgU
    Pretty good if I may say. 
     

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  • Nami said:
    https://youtu.be/wTBxceB9xgU
    Pretty good if I may say. 
     

    Seems one side is required to take the high road while the other has no such expectation or desire. I love the Q and A aspect of your parliament and don’t quite understand why some consider it a waste of time? Maybe if they were debating or arguing a topic wholly unrelated to the issue?

    A waste of time might be considered the house using the opening of each session for every member who so desires the opportunity to rant about anything for one minute or members of the senate to take the floor and discuss Greek history during debating like Senator Byrd of West Virginia was known to do. I wonder what is considered the most civil deliberative democratic political body in the world?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,985
    edited February 2022
    Nami said:
    https://youtu.be/wTBxceB9xgU
    Pretty good if I may say. 
     

    Seems one side is required to take the high road while the other has no such expectation or desire. I love the Q and A aspect of your parliament and don’t quite understand why some consider it a waste of time? Maybe if they were debating or arguing a topic wholly unrelated to the issue?

    A waste of time might be considered the house using the opening of each session for every member who so desires the opportunity to rant about anything for one minute or members of the senate to take the floor and discuss Greek history during debating like Senator Byrd of West Virginia was known to do. I wonder what is considered the most civil deliberative democratic political body in the world?
    i consider it a waste of time. it's nothing but political theatre. imagine if I could go to work and spend half my day trying to one up another department while my department sits behind me clapping and HERE HERE ing while actually doing no work. it's all just trying your best to get a sound bite on the evening news. maybe i'd put more stock in it if it weren't video recorded. 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    Unreal…not even a serious country anymore…
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    Canada’s top politician Jagmeet Singh under the radar of Indian Intelligence officials for his Pro-Khalistani and Pro-Pakistan propaganda: Reports https://www.opindia.com/2019/10/canadian-politician-jagmeet-singh-pro-khalistani-pro-pakistan-indian-intelligence/
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  • Monty Python lives as I watch a local Toronto news channel provide better live coverage than the national news channels of arrests beginning in Ottawa, which is set against the backdrop of the House Of Commons debating the powers on which these arrests will likely be based in a room (and virtually) hundreds(?) of metres from the arrests. Except in the end this isn’t funny, so it’s not really Python. I need another puff, lol.
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  • Monty Python lives as I watch a local Toronto news channel provide better live coverage than the national news channels of arrests beginning in Ottawa, which is set against the backdrop of the House Of Commons debating the powers on which these arrests will likely be based in a room (and virtually) hundreds(?) of metres from the arrests. Except in the end this isn’t funny, so it’s not really Python. I need another puff, lol.
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  • NamiNami Posts: 5,995
    Nami said:
    https://youtu.be/wTBxceB9xgU
    Pretty good if I may say. 
     

    Seems one side is required to take the high road while the other has no such expectation or desire. I love the Q and A aspect of your parliament and don’t quite understand why some consider it a waste of time? Maybe if they were debating or arguing a topic wholly unrelated to the issue?

    A waste of time might be considered the house using the opening of each session for every member who so desires the opportunity to rant about anything for one minute or members of the senate to take the floor and discuss Greek history during debating like Senator Byrd of West Virginia was known to do. I wonder what is considered the most civil deliberative democratic political body in the world?
    i consider it a waste of time. it's nothing but political theatre. imagine if I could go to work and spend half my day trying to one up another department while my department sits behind me clapping and HERE HERE ing while actually doing no work. it's all just trying your best to get a sound bite on the evening news. maybe i'd put more stock in it if it weren't video recorded. 
    Yup, only started watching recently. One side asks questions, the other answer with same scripted BS.  Prob the same way when PCs were in power. 

    CB, I know most don't agree, she is showing strength in her questioning.  Impressive actually.   

    So, the NDPs are saying the will support JT in regards to the EMA vote, you think this destroy future support for the party? I think it will.  

    Also, how much clout does the cdn civil liberties association have? Court now damn. Courts tied up for years over this.

    I know you guys said it before and disagree, that discussions were pointless, but it would have a step in the right direction imo.


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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    This is ok with the the racist, misogynist, antisemite bully who’s hair is not that nice… Ottawa is because the liberal elites are uncomfortable…
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