Canadian Politics Redux

PJ_Soul

herogroundzero said:

oftenreading said:

Why cancel it, I wonder? Would have been more effective to go ahead and highlight the fact that they are not participating. Climate change doesn't stop just because some people refuse to acknowledge it.

Indeed!
It's so crazy to me why anyone or any party should/would shy away from this important issue. 
Sheer and Trump are one and the same regarding the environment. They don't think it's a problem....

Meanwhile, Canadian voters now consider it the #1 issue.

herogroundzero

PJ_Soul said:

Meanwhile, Canadian voters now consider it the #1 issue.

As it should be !!  
What we don't need is a step back in the wrong direction on this issue.

Meltdown99

It is going to be a minority government and the liberals spending 20 billion on a fucking pipeline to sell oil to China tells me that care very little about the environment.

The cons and liberals are essentially the same...

HughFreakingDillon

holy shit Obama just endorsed Trudeau on twitter. 

herogroundzero

^^^ Very Cool. Love that guy. Still
and for sure he would not endorse someone who's pro life and anti-abortion

PJ_Soul

herogroundzero said:

^^^ Very Cool. Love that guy. Still
and for sure he would not endorse someone who's pro life and anti-abortion

Of course not - I think the surprise might be that he chose Trudeau over Singh? But he knows Trudeau, and they got along well if memory serves, so this makes sense. It's quite an endorsement.

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/ConanOBrien/status/1184955889066921984

HughFreakingDillon

I have asked for a source on this "fun fact", but I have been told that in the 73 years since WW2, the federal budget has been balanced only 24 times. 

21 times by Liberals. 
3 times by Conservatives. 

1ThoughtKnown

I have to tell you, it’s getting harder and harder to be a proud Albertan. I’m sick of all the constant whining about how we paid so much in transfer payments and now we are struggling.  The only people struggling are the ones who pissed, coked or spent away everything they made. By spent I mean a 3/4 tonne pickup, 27’ toy trailer, pair of quads, house bigger than their needs and in some cases a boat. House sales are up 16% in Calgary alone year over year.  How are we “struggling”? Why do we continue to espouse this narrative to the rest of the country? To get some pipelines built... yeah. It’s a lie folks. It isn’t that bad here. Still building houses and condos. Lots of them.

Politically, I am embarrassed by our provincial government’s response to Greta Thunberg’s visit this week (not even mentioning the deadbeats on social media).  Telling her to “go visit Russia, Saudi’s Arabia, Iran” was straight out bully tactics. This is a 16 year-old! 

That’s really just the tip of the iceberg on my venting. But I guess I’m just hoping my fellow Canadian Jammers don’t lump us all together.  Not all Albertans are as depicted by the media.  I’ve changed a lot in the past five years, mostly by educating myself and rediscovering the kind, thoughtful, caring side of myself that I allowed to be overrun with fables of how “Ontario doesn’t care” and “those hippies in BC are fucking us over”. I apologize for offending anyone in the past and I am so happy that insecure, self-absorbed person of the past is gone. 

I’m not even talking about the morons who want “Wexit” and wear those idiotic “Make Alberta Great Again” hats.  Change is coming fast and I am on the train! To Greta I say “Welcome!”  

 

HughFreakingDillon

^^^ thank you. 

the thing about Greta, I don't give her the "she's only 16" pass. I highly respect what she's doing, that's amazing. but if she wants to wade into the adult waters, then we can't treat her like she's still in the shallow end. Do I condone the assholes calling her names and making fun of her appearance or her asperger's? no, that is sick no matter what your age. I just think wanting to treat her as an intelligent and knowledgeable person, it does her a disservice to say "she's only 16! leave her alone!". I think it de-legitimizes her cause and abilities. 

dignin

1ThoughtKnown said:

I have to tell you, it’s getting harder and harder to be a proud Albertan. I’m sick of all the constant whining about how we paid so much in transfer payments and now we are struggling.  The only people struggling are the ones who pissed, coked or spent away everything they made. By spent I mean a 3/4 tonne pickup, 27’ toy trailer, pair of quads, house bigger than their needs and in some cases a boat. House sales are up 16% in Calgary alone year over year.  How are we “struggling”? Why do we continue to espouse this narrative to the rest of the country? To get some pipelines built... yeah. It’s a lie folks. It isn’t that bad here. Still building houses and condos. Lots of them.

Politically, I am embarrassed by our provincial government’s response to Greta Thunberg’s visit this week (not even mentioning the deadbeats on social media).  Telling her to “go visit Russia, Saudi’s Arabia, Iran” was straight out bully tactics. This is a 16 year-old! 

That’s really just the tip of the iceberg on my venting. But I guess I’m just hoping my fellow Canadian Jammers don’t lump us all together.  Not all Albertans are as depicted by the media.  I’ve changed a lot in the past five years, mostly by educating myself and rediscovering the kind, thoughtful, caring side of myself that I allowed to be overrun with fables of how “Ontario doesn’t care” and “those hippies in BC are fucking us over”. I apologize for offending anyone in the past and I am so happy that insecure, self-absorbed person of the past is gone. 

I’m not even talking about the morons who want “Wexit” and wear those idiotic “Make Alberta Great Again” hats.  Change is coming fast and I am on the train! To Greta I say “Welcome!”  

 

Amen fellow Albertan.

1ThoughtKnown

HughFreakingDillon said:

^^^ thank you. 

the thing about Greta, I don't give her the "she's only 16" pass. I highly respect what she's doing, that's amazing. but if she wants to wade into the adult waters, then we can't treat her like she's still in the shallow end. Do I condone the assholes calling her names and making fun of her appearance or her asperger's? no, that is sick no matter what your age. I just think wanting to treat her as an intelligent and knowledgeable person, it does her a disservice to say "she's only 16! leave her alone!". I think it de-legitimizes her cause and abilities. 

It is unacceptable for the provincial government that represents me to bully a 16 year old visiting our province that simply wants world leaders to do more in the face of an environmental crisis no one can dispute. The provincial government representatives speak on behalf of all Albertans and should conduct itself accordingly.
I did not say she should be left alone... just treated with respect and dignity any other visitor would receive, well-known or otherwise.  The fact she is a kid leaves an especially bad taste in my mouth.  I was raised to let and even encourage kids have dreams and goals no matter what your personal opinion on the subject might be. 

HughFreakingDillon

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

^^^ thank you. 

the thing about Greta, I don't give her the "she's only 16" pass. I highly respect what she's doing, that's amazing. but if she wants to wade into the adult waters, then we can't treat her like she's still in the shallow end. Do I condone the assholes calling her names and making fun of her appearance or her asperger's? no, that is sick no matter what your age. I just think wanting to treat her as an intelligent and knowledgeable person, it does her a disservice to say "she's only 16! leave her alone!". I think it de-legitimizes her cause and abilities. 

It is unacceptable for the provincial government that represents me to bully a 16 year old visiting our province that simply wants world leaders to do more in the face of an environmental crisis no one can dispute. The provincial government representatives speak on behalf of all Albertans and should conduct itself accordingly.
I did not say she should be left alone... just treated with respect and dignity any other visitor would receive, well-known or otherwise. 

i didn't realize you were talking about the government. i thought you were referencing private citizens. holy shit. that's brutal. 

1ThoughtKnown

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

^^^ thank you. 

the thing about Greta, I don't give her the "she's only 16" pass. I highly respect what she's doing, that's amazing. but if she wants to wade into the adult waters, then we can't treat her like she's still in the shallow end. Do I condone the assholes calling her names and making fun of her appearance or her asperger's? no, that is sick no matter what your age. I just think wanting to treat her as an intelligent and knowledgeable person, it does her a disservice to say "she's only 16! leave her alone!". I think it de-legitimizes her cause and abilities. 

It is unacceptable for the provincial government that represents me to bully a 16 year old visiting our province that simply wants world leaders to do more in the face of an environmental crisis no one can dispute. The provincial government representatives speak on behalf of all Albertans and should conduct itself accordingly.
I did not say she should be left alone... just treated with respect and dignity any other visitor would receive, well-known or otherwise. 

i didn't realize you were talking about the government. i thought you were referencing private citizens. holy shit. that's brutal. 

“ Meanwhile, the United Conservative government said on Sunday they expect Thunberg to consider what they described as Alberta’s leading human rights and environmental record.

In a statement from Christine Myatt, spokesperson for the Alberta premier’s office, the government “trusts” she’ll recognize these traits especially “in comparison to oil-producing dictatorships such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, and Venezuela — which she will presumably visit next — as well as major growing emitters like China.“

That was the terse statement given from our Premier when she announced she was visiting. It’s insulting and a bullying tactic. Jason Kenney is trash. 

Meltdown99

1ThoughtKnown said:

I have to tell you, it’s getting harder and harder to be a proud Albertan. I’m sick of all the constant whining about how we paid so much in transfer payments and now we are struggling.  The only people struggling are the ones who pissed, coked or spent away everything they made. By spent I mean a 3/4 tonne pickup, 27’ toy trailer, pair of quads, house bigger than their needs and in some cases a boat. House sales are up 16% in Calgary alone year over year.  How are we “struggling”? Why do we continue to espouse this narrative to the rest of the country? To get some pipelines built... yeah. It’s a lie folks. It isn’t that bad here. Still building houses and condos. Lots of them.

Politically, I am embarrassed by our provincial government’s response to Greta Thunberg’s visit this week (not even mentioning the deadbeats on social media).  Telling her to “go visit Russia, Saudi’s Arabia, Iran” was straight out bully tactics. This is a 16 year-old! 

That’s really just the tip of the iceberg on my venting. But I guess I’m just hoping my fellow Canadian Jammers don’t lump us all together.  Not all Albertans are as depicted by the media.  I’ve changed a lot in the past five years, mostly by educating myself and rediscovering the kind, thoughtful, caring side of myself that I allowed to be overrun with fables of how “Ontario doesn’t care” and “those hippies in BC are fucking us over”. I apologize for offending anyone in the past and I am so happy that insecure, self-absorbed person of the past is gone. 

I’m not even talking about the morons who want “Wexit” and wear those idiotic “Make Alberta Great Again” hats.  Change is coming fast and I am on the train! To Greta I say “Welcome!”  

 

Do you think Albertans are the only ones that go nuts spending when times are good?  The same happens here in the manufacturing heartland of Southern Ontario.  I wish we had a premier in Ontario who would have fought tooth and nail against free trade which has gutted our manufacturing...and equalization is long overdue to be either overhauled or scrapped.  I prefer it to be scrapped altogether.  Time to cut Quebec loose financially...

And diversifying economies are easier said than done...

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1185348820370108417

Yup.  This proves Alberta made the right decision by tossing this twit to the curb.  She is supporting the federal NDP even though he wants to shut down the tar sands and kill the pipeline.  Yup.  She really supports Albertans.  Suckers.

1ThoughtKnown

Meltdown99 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

I have to tell you, it’s getting harder and harder to be a proud Albertan. I’m sick of all the constant whining about how we paid so much in transfer payments and now we are struggling.  The only people struggling are the ones who pissed, coked or spent away everything they made. By spent I mean a 3/4 tonne pickup, 27’ toy trailer, pair of quads, house bigger than their needs and in some cases a boat. House sales are up 16% in Calgary alone year over year.  How are we “struggling”? Why do we continue to espouse this narrative to the rest of the country? To get some pipelines built... yeah. It’s a lie folks. It isn’t that bad here. Still building houses and condos. Lots of them.

Politically, I am embarrassed by our provincial government’s response to Greta Thunberg’s visit this week (not even mentioning the deadbeats on social media).  Telling her to “go visit Russia, Saudi’s Arabia, Iran” was straight out bully tactics. This is a 16 year-old! 

That’s really just the tip of the iceberg on my venting. But I guess I’m just hoping my fellow Canadian Jammers don’t lump us all together.  Not all Albertans are as depicted by the media.  I’ve changed a lot in the past five years, mostly by educating myself and rediscovering the kind, thoughtful, caring side of myself that I allowed to be overrun with fables of how “Ontario doesn’t care” and “those hippies in BC are fucking us over”. I apologize for offending anyone in the past and I am so happy that insecure, self-absorbed person of the past is gone. 

I’m not even talking about the morons who want “Wexit” and wear those idiotic “Make Alberta Great Again” hats.  Change is coming fast and I am on the train! To Greta I say “Welcome!”  

 

Do you think Albertans are the only ones that go nuts spending when times are good?  The same happens here in the manufacturing heartland of Southern Ontario.  I wish we had a premier in Ontario who would have fought tooth and nail against free trade which has gutted our manufacturing...and equalization is long overdue to be either overhauled or scrapped.  I prefer it to be scrapped altogether.  Time to cut Quebec loose financially...

And diversifying economies are easier said than done...

Your comment infers a possible lack of understanding in how equalization transfer payments work (or just a simple bias of hatred towards Quebecers). The federal government can’t “cut Quebec loose” from receiving federal taxes to pay for provincially funded services.  Basically, Canadians pay taxes and they are distributed equally to all Canadians to ensure all have access to the same social programs which ensures all Canadians maintain the same standard of living. The statistics are lagging of course so it can take a few years for money to be redistributed.  Perhaps some improvements can be made in adjusting the lagging indicators to adjust the payments quicker, but that just downloads more pressure on provincial and subsequently municipal governments to “adjust on the fly”.  

As for your first question... I assume Albertans aren’t the only ones, but it is the province where I live so I spoke from a place of knowledge.
Point was... despite historical evidence to the contrary, people pissed away the boom years thinking it would never end. Same people wanted the provincial government to put money in the “rainy day fund” but didn’t save a dime themselves and in fact came out of the boom in debt.  So did the provincial government by the way, Conservative governments. 

Now they whine about the bad economy (which isn’t that bad).  That’s what is embarrassing for a province that is supposed to “roll up their sleeves and gitter done and we want the government out of our shit”.  If you are blaming the government for the economic problem you are barking up the wrong tree

oftenreading

Good morning everybody. Time to get out and vote, if you haven’t already.

Should be an interesting result. 

HughFreakingDillon

I find it crazy that one party can get more seats and the incumbent PM can still "get the first crack" at forming government. 

DarthMaeglin

Happy(?) Election Day everyone, I hope everyone is able to vote successfully regardless which way you vote! I had to vote in the advance polls since I’m away from home and was surprised how full the ballot box was.