Canadian Politics Redux

PJ_Soul

erebus said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

call me a fool, but somehow I still trust trudeau. 

Agreed, especially who the alternatives are, definitely the lesser of the evils
some flaws, but will do

There certainly isn't any other candidate who is more viable. There is no way I won't vote for Trudeau this election. Also, I have never really given a shit about the SNC thing anyhow. I don't know or care what people think about that.... I believe Trudeau did do it all because he was thinking about protecting jobs, because he thought that would serve him well politically, and that means he was doing what I expect high level politicians to do. As I have always said, my views of politicians are completely relative. In the horrible scheme of things, this ain't that bad. If there was someone better running and with more potential for what I want, I'd be all over it. But Trudeau is still the best option right now. If Scheer wins the election I will be super pissed off.

DarthMaeglin

...and the Liberals continue to shut down any investigations into their misdeeds. Makes one yearn for the days of $90G payoffs and $20 glasses of orange juice, lol.

Meltdown99

DarthMaeglin said:

...and the Liberals continue to shut down any investigations into their misdeeds. Makes one yearn for the days of $90G payoffs and $20 glasses of orange juice, lol.

I now know why liberals like a weak justice system...lol

I especially like the changing of the law that Harper created that would have allowed the government to strip jihadi jack of the citizenship he does not deserve...I would love to see that terrorist tried in Syria, sentenced in Syria and rot for life in Syria...his parents can join him...they support terrorism.

Meltdown99

If Jihadi Jack wants in...tell him it will be life in a Canadian Military Prison...general population.  I wonder how the members on the Canadian Forces would deal with this loser...3-2-1 commence daily beating while the military police saunter over to help that traitor...

DarthMaeglin

Meltdown99 said:

If Jihadi Jack wants in...tell him it will be life in a Canadian Military Prison...general population.  I wonder how the members on the Canadian Forces would deal with this loser...3-2-1 commence daily beating while the military police saunter over to help that traitor...

Agreed, Jack’s even more of a Canadian of convenience than Khadr. At least Khadr was actually born to.

Apparently I have a claim to British citizenship or visas through my grandmother, however I’ve never considered myself British (other than living in a former colony, lol).

DarthMaeglin

Only a Liberal strategist could go on tv and say “You can’t ask for more transparency than the provided report’ (likely misquoting and paraphrasing a touch).
And now Turd’oh is pontificating again, where’s my brick to throw at the tv, lol?

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

Only a Liberal strategist could go on tv and say “You can’t ask for more transparency than the provided report’ (likely misquoting and paraphrasing a touch).
And now Turd’oh is pontificating again, where’s my brick to throw at the tv, lol?

pretty sure that's what the republicans keep saying about the mueller report as well, nearly to the letter. it's not a liberal thing. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Only a Liberal strategist could go on tv and say “You can’t ask for more transparency than the provided report’ (likely misquoting and paraphrasing a touch).
And now Turd’oh is pontificating again, where’s my brick to throw at the tv, lol?

pretty sure that's what the republicans keep saying about the mueller report as well, nearly to the letter. it's not a liberal thing. 

You make a good point, that the hyper-partisanship that now surrounds this issue (thanks largely to the impending election) now threatens the truth (along with the PM’s obstructing any investigations).
This goes to the heart of the rule of law and the independence of the legal system, and the way some are quite dismissive of this issue is troubling, to say the least. When an NDP MP says the Harper government wasn’t this bad, that says something...loudly.

Edit for typo, lol.

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Only a Liberal strategist could go on tv and say “You can’t ask for more transparency than the provided report’ (likely misquoting and paraphrasing a touch).
And now Turd’oh is pontificating again, where’s my brick to throw at the tv, lol?

pretty sure that's what the republicans keep saying about the mueller report as well, nearly to the letter. it's not a liberal thing. 

You make a good point, that the hyper-partisanship that now surrounds this issue (thanks largely to the impending election) now threatens the truth (along with the PM’s obstructing any investigations).
This goes to the heart of the rule of law and the independence of the legal system, and the way some are quite dismissive of this issue is troubling, to say the least. When an NDP MP says the Harper government wasn’t this bad, that says something...loudly.

Edit for typo, lol.

I'm not too interested in one comment from one member of parliament. 

yes, the rule of law should be followed, and any obstruction should be dealt with. intent needs to be established, and that is very hard to prove. 

and like it or not, it also makes a huge difference in who he is running against, and right now, people are dismissing it because they don't see any alternative. I think it also helps (!) what we've been hearing from down south since 2016. it is human nature to compare, and to think "well, he fucked up, but it's not that bad in comparison". 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Only a Liberal strategist could go on tv and say “You can’t ask for more transparency than the provided report’ (likely misquoting and paraphrasing a touch).
And now Turd’oh is pontificating again, where’s my brick to throw at the tv, lol?

pretty sure that's what the republicans keep saying about the mueller report as well, nearly to the letter. it's not a liberal thing. 

You make a good point, that the hyper-partisanship that now surrounds this issue (thanks largely to the impending election) now threatens the truth (along with the PM’s obstructing any investigations).
This goes to the heart of the rule of law and the independence of the legal system, and the way some are quite dismissive of this issue is troubling, to say the least. When an NDP MP says the Harper government wasn’t this bad, that says something...loudly.

Edit for typo, lol.

I'm not too interested in one comment from one member of parliament. 

yes, the rule of law should be followed, and any obstruction should be dealt with. intent needs to be established, and that is very hard to prove. 

and like it or not, it also makes a huge difference in who he is running against, and right now, people are dismissing it because they don't see any alternative. I think it also helps (!) what we've been hearing from down south since 2016. it is human nature to compare, and to think "well, he fucked up, but it's not that bad in comparison". 

The NDP comment I referred to was made by an MP who sat on the ethics committee through the Harper years as well as the current government, which adds weight to his comment, in my opinion, but I get your point (maybe I didn’t give enough context to the statement? My bad.).

 I wish we could get away from comparing ourselves to our southern neighbours, but I suppose it’s inevitable, given our geography. That said, relativism allows us to excuse a “lesser” wrong, while I was raised to believe 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Just because what Trudeau (I’ll be nice) did isn’t as bad as what Trump had done doesn’t excuse our PM’s obstinate arrogance and self-righteousness. In fact, I’ll go so far as to say what the current Canadian government has done in this case is AS bad as most (if not all) of what the American President is alleged to have done.

The current panel on cbc (MPs from the 3 main parties) would have been comical if this wasn’t so troubling.

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Only a Liberal strategist could go on tv and say “You can’t ask for more transparency than the provided report’ (likely misquoting and paraphrasing a touch).
And now Turd’oh is pontificating again, where’s my brick to throw at the tv, lol?

pretty sure that's what the republicans keep saying about the mueller report as well, nearly to the letter. it's not a liberal thing. 

You make a good point, that the hyper-partisanship that now surrounds this issue (thanks largely to the impending election) now threatens the truth (along with the PM’s obstructing any investigations).
This goes to the heart of the rule of law and the independence of the legal system, and the way some are quite dismissive of this issue is troubling, to say the least. When an NDP MP says the Harper government wasn’t this bad, that says something...loudly.

Edit for typo, lol.

I'm not too interested in one comment from one member of parliament. 

yes, the rule of law should be followed, and any obstruction should be dealt with. intent needs to be established, and that is very hard to prove. 

and like it or not, it also makes a huge difference in who he is running against, and right now, people are dismissing it because they don't see any alternative. I think it also helps (!) what we've been hearing from down south since 2016. it is human nature to compare, and to think "well, he fucked up, but it's not that bad in comparison". 

The NDP comment I referred to was made by an MP who sat on the ethics committee through the Harper years as well as the current government, which adds weight to his comment, in my opinion, but I get your point (maybe I didn’t give enough context to the statement? My bad.).

 I wish we could get away from comparing ourselves to our southern neighbours, but I suppose it’s inevitable, given our geography. That said, relativism allows us to excuse a “lesser” wrong, while I was raised to believe 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Just because what Trudeau (I’ll be nice) did isn’t as bad as what Trump had done doesn’t excuse our PM’s obstinate arrogance and self-righteousness. In fact, I’ll go so far as to say what the current Canadian government has done in this case is AS bad as most (if not all) of what the American President is alleged to have done.

The current panel on cbc (MPs from the 3 main parties) would have been comical if this wasn’t so troubling.

I agree with you. I'm just commenting on why I think canadians aren't as concerned about it as some think they should be. I honestly don't understand enough about it at this point to have an opinion either way. 

I don't know why, but I personally think it's more likely he made a pretty big gaffe out of ignorance rather than trying to obstruct justice. 

it's hard to know, especially here. there are trudeau haters and lovers, very few in betweeners. so it's hard for me to give much credence to either without personally knowing more of the facts. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Only a Liberal strategist could go on tv and say “You can’t ask for more transparency than the provided report’ (likely misquoting and paraphrasing a touch).
And now Turd’oh is pontificating again, where’s my brick to throw at the tv, lol?

pretty sure that's what the republicans keep saying about the mueller report as well, nearly to the letter. it's not a liberal thing. 

You make a good point, that the hyper-partisanship that now surrounds this issue (thanks largely to the impending election) now threatens the truth (along with the PM’s obstructing any investigations).
This goes to the heart of the rule of law and the independence of the legal system, and the way some are quite dismissive of this issue is troubling, to say the least. When an NDP MP says the Harper government wasn’t this bad, that says something...loudly.

Edit for typo, lol.

I'm not too interested in one comment from one member of parliament. 

yes, the rule of law should be followed, and any obstruction should be dealt with. intent needs to be established, and that is very hard to prove. 

and like it or not, it also makes a huge difference in who he is running against, and right now, people are dismissing it because they don't see any alternative. I think it also helps (!) what we've been hearing from down south since 2016. it is human nature to compare, and to think "well, he fucked up, but it's not that bad in comparison". 

The NDP comment I referred to was made by an MP who sat on the ethics committee through the Harper years as well as the current government, which adds weight to his comment, in my opinion, but I get your point (maybe I didn’t give enough context to the statement? My bad.).

 I wish we could get away from comparing ourselves to our southern neighbours, but I suppose it’s inevitable, given our geography. That said, relativism allows us to excuse a “lesser” wrong, while I was raised to believe 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Just because what Trudeau (I’ll be nice) did isn’t as bad as what Trump had done doesn’t excuse our PM’s obstinate arrogance and self-righteousness. In fact, I’ll go so far as to say what the current Canadian government has done in this case is AS bad as most (if not all) of what the American President is alleged to have done.

The current panel on cbc (MPs from the 3 main parties) would have been comical if this wasn’t so troubling.

I agree with you. I'm just commenting on why I think canadians aren't as concerned about it as some think they should be. I honestly don't understand enough about it at this point to have an opinion either way. 

I don't know why, but I personally think it's more likely he made a pretty big gaffe out of ignorance rather than trying to obstruct justice. 

it's hard to know, especially here. there are trudeau haters and lovers, very few in betweeners. so it's hard for me to give much credence to either without personally knowing more of the facts. 

You’re likely right that the initial offences may have occurred out of ignorance (check our PM’s resume), however for me the active obstruction came after the story broke in the Globe & Mail, with the smear campaign against JWR, the selective application of cabinet confidentiality, along with Trudeau’s ever-changing narrative (while the other players have remained consistent in their facts). That’s where wilful intent kicks in for me.

 I’ll admit (as evidenced by my previous posts, lol), I was never a Trudeau fan, but wanted him to prove me wrong. There have been a couple times I’ve agreed with what he’s done, but I can’t recall them right now, lol.

erebus

Should Max and the PPC be given a spot at the leaders debate?

I don't agree with his policies but I think he should
Especially when the Greens, NDP and the bloc are there. Pretty petty for May not to want to let him in when they have been more than charitable with her over the years. And the Bloc only represents the interests of one Province

Meltdown99

erebus said:

Should Max and the PPC be given a spot at the leaders debate?

I don't agree with his policies but I think he should
Especially when the Greens, NDP and the bloc are there. Pretty petty for May not to want to let him in when they have been more than charitable with her over the years. And the Bloc only represents the interests of one Province

Yes.  The PPC should be included in the debate.  The Bloc only represents Quebec and are separatist should no be at the debate...but as we all know Quebec is the crybaby of the federation...

PJ_Soul

erebus said:

Should Max and the PPC be given a spot at the leaders debate?

I don't agree with his policies but I think he should
Especially when the Greens, NDP and the bloc are there. Pretty petty for May not to want to let him in when they have been more than charitable with her over the years. And the Bloc only represents the interests of one Province

Absolutely. His party is the only one that tends farther right than the Conservatives. The left is fractured into 3+ parties, while the right has had only had 1, which has consolidated all the votes from the right, making it easier for the Cons to win. Until now. And dumb-dumb May wants to keep the only other right wing party out of the debates?? She's an idiot, and I've said so for a long time - she is the reason I never vote Green.

Meltdown99

I'd go out drinking with May.  She is way better than Singh who is just making the NDP irrelevant federally.  We will see what the voters decide in less than a couple of months.  I live in NDP territory.  I see 2 ridings going liberal and 1 going Conservativ...the rest will be tight races.  Maxime Bernier PPC will have no bearing on this election, and I'd be surprised if Bernier even won his seat.

erebus

I think it will be a Liberal minority government
Greens maybe 2-3 seats
NDP will lose official party status
PPC may win 1 seat
not sure on the 2 that got booted from the Libs. Independents cannot do much for their ridings

Meltdown99

Here is the thing.  Trudeau legalized Cannabis.  Name any other politician in Canada that would deliver that promise.  I have given in a long hard thought.   Trudeau is not mean like conservatives(these days).  I am voting liberal because he the PM of a respected country legalized a safe drug.  For that, I say Thank you.  He has my vote.

Meltdown99

Andrew Sheer is his own worst enemy.  Why is so hard for him to respect people and their wishes...

The thing with Sheer is I can see him letting his MPs introduce legislation on Abortion and gay marriage, I would not trust him the Cannabis file.  It will stay legal but more regulated.  The Cannabis rollout in Ontario has been disastrous.  Almost a year in, we still have no cannabis store.  Illegal dispensaries pop up time to time...when tubby out west he should have popped into some of Alberta's Cannabis stores.  Apparently, they got it right and sell the most pot and there only 4 million people.

Meltdown99

I had to get an anti-biotic today, only $20...I have no benefits.  That would have cost $100 in the US.