Canadian Politics Redux

Meltdown99

I especially love the con job of helping first time home buyers buy homes by taking equity in their homes.  Only a fool would ever give up equity in a home to the government...

dignin

Meltdown99 said:

Please put me ignore.  Your anger is caused by you and your silly comment.  The only people voting for Trudeau are the families on child benefit welfare system...

Meltdown99 said:

I especially love the con job of helping first time home buyers buy homes by taking equity in their homes.  Only a fool would ever give up equity in a home to the government...

Your ignorance is on full display here. Both in your shallow understanding behind how people vote and first time home buyers.

Not to mention the Sept 11th thread, where you make Canadians look like jerks. There is a time and a place.

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

didn't you just say last week or so that you were going to vote for him?

Do you just follow me around looking for an instance where I changed my mind?  You are the one that cries about needing a break from this place.  I wonder why?  Maybe you should grow up a little.

A Canadian posting in the Canadian Politics thread? Oh my. Certainly one would think that he followed you here just to annoy you. 

mind bogglingly stupid. 

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

didn't you just say last week or so that you were going to vote for him?

Do you just follow me around looking for an instance where I changed my mind?  You are the one that cries about needing a break from this place.  I wonder why?  Maybe you should grow up a little.

hmmm, i think i mentioned needing a break from this place occasionally, some time ago, which is true. i'm not sure why you keep trotting out that same old trope anytime i challenge you on anything.  every single time you are challenged on anything you turn into a fucking 5 year old. 

i just found it surprising, first when you stated you'd vote for him, since the last two years you've been doing nothing but trashing him any chance you got, and then a very short time later you switched again. of course anyone can change their mind. i was just interested as to why the flip flop. 

i'll be honest. i usually have you on ignore. which is why i rarely interact with you anymore. occasionally i'll see a post here or there. occasionally you seem reasonable. the post above shows that is a rarity. 

seriously dude. go fuck yourself. between this and the 9/11 post. fuck you. 

Truth hurts.  I could care a less.  You like to troll me.  Are capable of reading a post and moving on.   911 was no excuse for 2 wars killing millions...and we were dumb to participate.   Other nato countries have suffered terror attacks... did they invoke article 5?

I don't troll you. you are obviously delusional.I rarely engage with you at all. most don't, and there's fucking good reason for that. I asked you a legitimate question out of curiosity, and, like I said, any time someone asks you to clarify a position you act like a child and get personal, or you tell people to read and move on like you are allowed to clarify and no one else is. Lemme splain something to you son: this is the internet, where there is a free exchange of ideas. you don't like the two way street? start a blog that no one will read. 

And I don't know what "truth" is "hurting" me. I just think you're easily the most angry and toxic person here. Which is why I had you on ignore, and I will continue to do so. 

HughFreakingDillon

dignin said:

Meltdown99 said:

Please put me ignore.  Your anger is caused by you and your silly comment.  The only people voting for Trudeau are the families on child benefit welfare system...

Meltdown99 said:

I especially love the con job of helping first time home buyers buy homes by taking equity in their homes.  Only a fool would ever give up equity in a home to the government...

Your ignorance is on full display here. Both in your shallow understanding behind how people vote and first time home buyers.

Not to mention the Sept 11th thread, where you make Canadians look like jerks. There is a time and a place.

I find it quite ironic that everyone says canadians are friendly. I have three people on ignore: all 3 are fellow canadians. 

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

didn't you just say last week or so that you were going to vote for him?

Do you just follow me around looking for an instance where I changed my mind?  You are the one that cries about needing a break from this place.  I wonder why?  Maybe you should grow up a little.

A Canadian posting in the Canadian Politics thread? Oh my. Certainly one would think that he followed you here just to annoy you. 

mind bogglingly stupid. 

?Que? 

Either i misunderstand you or you misunderstand me. 
 

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

didn't you just say last week or so that you were going to vote for him?

Do you just follow me around looking for an instance where I changed my mind?  You are the one that cries about needing a break from this place.  I wonder why?  Maybe you should grow up a little.

A Canadian posting in the Canadian Politics thread? Oh my. Certainly one would think that he followed you here just to annoy you. 

mind bogglingly stupid. 

?Que? 

Either i misunderstand you or you misunderstand me. 
 

agreeing with your post

DarthMaeglin

Damn, I truly didn’t think Trudeau was this stupid. Breaking story that he went to an Arabian Nights-themed party in brownface...in 2001.

Gonna have to watch the news networks, apparently he’s going to address the press on this, should be pretty funny to watch.

And the picture that accompanies the cbc story is among his creepiest in my opinion (sorry, phone posting again and don’t know how to post links, lol).

Edit:  Switched to the laptop as he's taking questions (I'll give him credit for that much, I suppose).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-brownface-arabian-nights-1.5289165

DarthMaeglin

Seriously, wtf? I’m about his age, and knew well before 2001 this was not just wrong but fucking wrong.

Meltdown99

Its all Harpers fault will be the theme of the presser.   

DarthMaeglin

Meltdown99 said:

Its all Harpers fault will be the theme of the presser.   

He's already told us it's another opportunity for us all to learn.  Keeps saying he's taking responsibility for this, but how?

DarthMaeglin

D'oh, guess a phone call took me away when he said he did it previous to this incident when he was in high school, presumably in blackface and singing "Day-O".  Again, even in high school I knew black/brownface was wrong.  Flip the script to the other parties and try to imagine how he might have attacked the offender. What a piece of shit.

Edit (so as not to spam):  What message did that send to his students?

Meltdown99

DarthMaeglin said:

Meltdown99 said:

Its all Harpers fault will be the theme of the presser.   

He's already told us it's another opportunity for us all to learn.  Keeps saying he's taking responsibility for this, but how?

I guess he did not know it was racist.  What a dummy.  I knew that doing that was racist since  high school.  So Trudeau who regularly accuses others of being racist has a racist past.  Why are should we be surprised?

DarthMaeglin

It’s too bad there’s no way I’d vote NDP. Of all the leaders Jagmeet Singh has impressed me most, especially the statement he’s giving right now.

HughFreakingDillon

i didn't know this was something racist until all of these politicians started getting skewered for it. i probably didn't know because i don't recall ever seeing a white person in black or brown makeup before. but seriously, it was a stupid thing to do. but for people to be calling trudeau racist are the real morons here. 

full disclosure: if it had been sheer caught with this, yes, my opinion MIGHT be different, only because i personally don't know any racist liberals. it is generally easier for me to believe malicious intent coming from the right when it comes to racism or bigotry. 

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

i didn't know this was something racist until all of these politicians started getting skewered for it. i probably didn't know because i don't recall ever seeing a white person in black or brown makeup before. but seriously, it was a stupid thing to do. but for people to be calling trudeau racist are the real morons here. 

full disclosure: if it had been sheer caught with this, yes, my opinion MIGHT be different, only because i personally don't know any racist liberals. it is generally easier for me to believe malicious intent coming from the right when it comes to racism or bigotry. 

I agree with most of this. 

People keep saying "I knew in high school this wasn't right", and I think back "did I know in high school that this wasn't right?", and all I can come up with was that I would have had absolutely no idea that this even existed in high school. Maybe that comes from growing up in northern BC, but I honestly don't think I would have had any opinion on this at all in high school (I'm also several years older than Trudeau). If someone did do this at that time, I also doubt that anyone in my community would have called it racist, because nothing other than maybe outright blatant discrimination was called racist at that time, that I can remember. It was not the most enlightened of places. 

That's a different scenario than what we're talking about here, though, since this was apparently from 2001. An idiotic and juvenile thing to do for that time, certainly; no excuse for it. 

DarthMaeglin

Maybe I am an outlier, having essentially grown up (moved here just before my 6th birthday) in multicultural Toronto. Ethnicity and race were always the lowest blows when cutting each other down. Being in French Immersion my class was mostly white (moreso than the English classes it seemed), but all the minorities were represented in my class and we all got along fine, fortunately.

Being interested in history also likely exposed me earlier to the offence black/brownface caused.

All that said, as a drama student, then teacher, Trudeau should have known the history of that practice. In my opinion, obviously.

Edit:  Forgot to give credit to my parents for raising me not to be racist as another influence.

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i didn't know this was something racist until all of these politicians started getting skewered for it. i probably didn't know because i don't recall ever seeing a white person in black or brown makeup before. but seriously, it was a stupid thing to do. but for people to be calling trudeau racist are the real morons here. 

full disclosure: if it had been sheer caught with this, yes, my opinion MIGHT be different, only because i personally don't know any racist liberals. it is generally easier for me to believe malicious intent coming from the right when it comes to racism or bigotry. 

I agree with most of this. 

People keep saying "I knew in high school this wasn't right", and I think back "did I know in high school that this wasn't right?", and all I can come up with was that I would have had absolutely no idea that this even existed in high school. Maybe that comes from growing up in northern BC, but I honestly don't think I would have had any opinion on this at all in high school (I'm also several years older than Trudeau). If someone did do this at that time, I also doubt that anyone in my community would have called it racist, because nothing other than maybe outright blatant discrimination was called racist at that time, that I can remember. It was not the most enlightened of places. 

That's a different scenario than what we're talking about here, though, since this was apparently from 2001. An idiotic and juvenile thing to do for that time, certainly; no excuse for it. 

is it not possible he didn't know it was racist? i mean, jesus, the private school he taught at put it in their yearbook ffs. i think people are judging past mistakes by today's ultra-pc standards. 2001 was 18 years ago. that's a long time. 4 years prior i went to a halloween social and i bought an arabic costume. was that racist? or is it only racist if you apply makeup to your face? if makeup had come with the costume, maybe i would have put it on, i don't know. well, probably not, since i knew it would be hot in the gym and we were all doing mushrooms, which was bad enough of an idea itself, being a halloween event and all. 

but my point is the same. i simply do not think it's fair to judge yesterday's mistakes by today's standards. 

oftenreading

DarthMaeglin said:

Maybe I am an outlier, having essentially grown up (moved here just before my 6th birthday) in multicultural Toronto. Ethnicity and race were always the lowest blows when cutting each other down. Being in French Immersion my class was mostly white (moreso than the English classes it seemed), but all the minorities were represented in my class and we all got along fine, fortunately.

Being interested in history also likely exposed me earlier to the offence black/brownface caused.

All that said, as a drama student, then teacher, Trudeau should have known the history of that practice. In my opinion, obviously.

Edit:  Forgot to give credit to my parents for raising me not to be racist as another influence.

If memory serves correct, there was a total of one black family in my town when I was growing up - a black Baptist preacher, who moved there from the US, and his family. I would not doubt that they experienced a bucketload of racism, but I don't actually know. Very few people of other nationalities at that time. It was very white, with the exception of First Nations people, and we all know the systemic racism that they face(d).

Lack of diversity gives fewer opportunities to learn about racism. 

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i didn't know this was something racist until all of these politicians started getting skewered for it. i probably didn't know because i don't recall ever seeing a white person in black or brown makeup before. but seriously, it was a stupid thing to do. but for people to be calling trudeau racist are the real morons here. 

full disclosure: if it had been sheer caught with this, yes, my opinion MIGHT be different, only because i personally don't know any racist liberals. it is generally easier for me to believe malicious intent coming from the right when it comes to racism or bigotry. 

I agree with most of this. 

People keep saying "I knew in high school this wasn't right", and I think back "did I know in high school that this wasn't right?", and all I can come up with was that I would have had absolutely no idea that this even existed in high school. Maybe that comes from growing up in northern BC, but I honestly don't think I would have had any opinion on this at all in high school (I'm also several years older than Trudeau). If someone did do this at that time, I also doubt that anyone in my community would have called it racist, because nothing other than maybe outright blatant discrimination was called racist at that time, that I can remember. It was not the most enlightened of places. 

That's a different scenario than what we're talking about here, though, since this was apparently from 2001. An idiotic and juvenile thing to do for that time, certainly; no excuse for it. 

is it not possible he didn't know it was racist? i mean, jesus, the private school he taught at put it in their yearbook ffs. i think people are judging past mistakes by today's ultra-pc standards. 2001 was 18 years ago. that's a long time. 4 years prior i went to a halloween social and i bought an arabic costume. was that racist? or is it only racist if you apply makeup to your face? if makeup had come with the costume, maybe i would have put it on, i don't know. well, probably not, since i knew it would be hot in the gym and we were all doing mushrooms, which was bad enough of an idea itself, being a halloween event and all. 

but my point is the same. i simply do not think it's fair to judge yesterday's mistakes by today's standards. 

Yes, I get your point, and I'd say that my point is that I find it hard to even know what those prior standards were. I actually don't really know or remember what would have been judged as acceptable at that time; it all kind of blurs together. To me, it seems like that's recent enough for it to, at the least, have seemed like a really bad idea if one was thinking it through. Maybe I'm mis-remembering what 2001 was like; I do know that I wasn't in that social environment in 2001.