Canadian Politics Redux

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Trudeau wishes to compensate Kinder Morgan for their 'inconveniences' in the BC/Alberta pipeline dispute.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/morneau-kinder-morgan-pipeline-announement-1.4665009

Lol

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Naomi Klein has some thoughts about Trudeau kowtowing to big oil (she's more eloquent than me and won't say something meaningless like... well... you know what):

https://twitter.com/naomiaklein/status/996785023331299331?s=21

PJ_Soul

I wonder how tax payers who like the idea of the pipeline feel about being forced to actually pay for the thing themselves? Are they okay with their government becoming pipeline builders and using their money to do it??

Meltdown99

Jason Kenney called Justin Trudeau an 'empty trust-fund millionaire’ and he's not taking it back

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/united-conservative-leader-criticized-after-calling-trudeau-empty-clueless

Alberta this is likely your next premier.  Canadian politics about become more interesting...

Meltdown99

As for the Trudeau government backing the pipeline with taxpayer funding, just proves to me even more that  Trudeau is spineless.  He approved the pipeline, a company is willing to invest 7.5 billion of their/investors money into this pipeline and Trudeau has the responsibility to make sure the pipeline that he approved gets built...but Trudeau learned well from the Ontario Liberals that working in the PM's office ... when you don't have sound economic policy, let's use taxpayers money to fund profitable private corporations.  

Meltdown99

B.C. warns it will take Alberta to court if oil exports are shut of

fhttp://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/b-c-shoots-back-at-ottawa-and-alberta-over-kinder-morgan-pipeline/wcm/f670b853-1dbf-44e7-9d47-35e5c6dfc1f9?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1526516293

Many people's from BC accuse Albertan's of being like Americans...yet it appears BC is more American by how litigious it is over frivolous law suits...thats the real America...sue.sue.sue.

Meltdown99

Once again BC...If you have to pay 3-4/litre ... then you should back up pipeline free world by paying higher gas prices...don't yeah think?  

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Meltdown99 said:

Once again BC...If you have to pay 3-4/litre ... then you should back up pipeline free world by paying higher gas prices...don't yeah think?  

Sure. 

If that's what the going rate is and what everyone else is paying.

Meltdown99

Sen. Paul McIntyre: Marijuana legalization puts Canadians at risk of lifetime bans to enter U.S.

http://windsorstar.com/opinion/op-ed/sen-paul-mcintyre-marijuana-legalization-puts-canadians-at-risk-of-lifetime-bans-to-enter-u-s/wcm/b23ff2c6-ddcf-4741-8aa9-4602deac6d13?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1526667906

Just lie to the US customs.  Problem somewhat solved.  They can still choose to not believe you and ban you, but you stand a better chance of being banned by admitting it...

Maybe just try no comment?  See if that works.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Lol

This is comical:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4222207/alberta-premier-rachel-notley-backs-out-of-western-premiers-conference-over-pipeline-spat/

Then go to Texas and lick their boots.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

Sen. Paul McIntyre: Marijuana legalization puts Canadians at risk of lifetime bans to enter U.S.

http://windsorstar.com/opinion/op-ed/sen-paul-mcintyre-marijuana-legalization-puts-canadians-at-risk-of-lifetime-bans-to-enter-u-s/wcm/b23ff2c6-ddcf-4741-8aa9-4602deac6d13?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1526667906

Just lie to the US customs.  Problem somewhat solved.  They can still choose to not believe you and ban you, but you stand a better chance of being banned by admitting it...

Maybe just try no comment?  See if that works.

I am not worried about this issue long term. This shit will straighten itself out soon enough - the USA isn't going to hold out that much longer, with all the states legalizing and the majority of voters being on board. Now that more and more politicians in the USA are realizing just how much money is in this business, they all starting to fold on the federal ban thing. Before you know it, half the Republicans in Congress and the Senate will be raking in the cash from the cannabis growers lobby.

Meltdown99

Marijuana will never be legal in the USA federally in my lifetime ... big Pharma lines enough US politicians pockets 2 insure it's illegal.  People are acting like there is some big movement to legalize marijuana ... the fact is there just isn't that big of movement worldwide.  Trudeau been promising legalization since being elected ... 3 fucking years to to legalize a rather harmless dug ... when in fact all he had to was decriminalize it with no fines ...

The other fact is the government has should have very little role to play ... the government and picked hand picked bureaucrats decided opiates are wise to be a legally prescribed drug ... yeah fuck the government and I could care a less about them and another liberal tax grab...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Meltdown99 said:

Marijuana will never be legal in the USA federally in my lifetime ... big Pharma lines enough US politicians pockets 2 insure it's illegal.  People are acting like there is some big movement to legalize marijuana ... the fact is there just isn't that big of movement worldwide.  Trudeau been promising legalization since being elected ... 3 fucking years to to legalize a rather harmless dug ... when in fact all he had to was decriminalize it with no fines ...

The other fact is the government has should have very little role to play ... the government and picked hand picked bureaucrats decided opiates are wise to be a legally prescribed drug ... yeah fuck the government and I could care a less about them and another liberal tax grab...

Simply decriminalizing leaves the product and revenue in the hands of meatballs. I want the country to regulate it so our kids don't smoke fentanyl and the revenue can support taxpayers.

Yes... I understand that there will still be people undercutting legal shops and that presents other problems; however, baby steps. You don't introduce an unflawed marijuana industry in two years. As much of a goof as Trudeau is... this venture is solid.

Meltdown99

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Meltdown99 said:

Marijuana will never be legal in the USA federally in my lifetime ... big Pharma lines enough US politicians pockets 2 insure it's illegal.  People are acting like there is some big movement to legalize marijuana ... the fact is there just isn't that big of movement worldwide.  Trudeau been promising legalization since being elected ... 3 fucking years to to legalize a rather harmless dug ... when in fact all he had to was decriminalize it with no fines ...

The other fact is the government has should have very little role to play ... the government and picked hand picked bureaucrats decided opiates are wise to be a legally prescribed drug ... yeah fuck the government and I could care a less about them and another liberal tax grab...

Simply decriminalizing leaves the product and revenue in the hands of meatballs. I want the country to regulate it so our kids don't smoke fentanyl and the revenue can support taxpayers.

Yes... I understand that there will still be people undercutting legal shops and that presents other problems; however, baby steps. You don't introduce an unflawed marijuana industry in two years. As much of a goof as Trudeau is... this venture is solid.

If I was using a dealer ... and the product he provided me was cheaper and good quality that what the government provides, then I'd stay with my dealer.  Plenty of things sold in this world are not under government control...I don't need any politician telling what I can and can not put in body...all Trudeau is, is a tax and spend liberal who like harper can't add....

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Meltdown99 said:

Marijuana will never be legal in the USA federally in my lifetime ... big Pharma lines enough US politicians pockets 2 insure it's illegal.  People are acting like there is some big movement to legalize marijuana ... the fact is there just isn't that big of movement worldwide.  Trudeau been promising legalization since being elected ... 3 fucking years to to legalize a rather harmless dug ... when in fact all he had to was decriminalize it with no fines ...

The other fact is the government has should have very little role to play ... the government and picked hand picked bureaucrats decided opiates are wise to be a legally prescribed drug ... yeah fuck the government and I could care a less about them and another liberal tax grab...

Simply decriminalizing leaves the product and revenue in the hands of meatballs. I want the country to regulate it so our kids don't smoke fentanyl and the revenue can support taxpayers.

Yes... I understand that there will still be people undercutting legal shops and that presents other problems; however, baby steps. You don't introduce an unflawed marijuana industry in two years. As much of a goof as Trudeau is... this venture is solid.

If I was using a dealer ... and the product he provided me was cheaper and good quality that what the government provides, then I'd stay with my dealer.  Plenty of things sold in this world are not under government control...I don't need any politician telling what I can and can not put in body...all Trudeau is, is a tax and spend liberal who like harper can't add....

Actually, not a lot of things sold aren't under government control, at least in our area of the world. Every single consumer product you buy, every clothing item, every item of food in a typical store, even virtually all items at a farmers' market or from a little home business, are under government control, for good reasons mostly related to safety and the expectation that the goods provided are as advertised. I can't think of much that is sold that isn't under government control except for maybe produce from a roadside stand, items from a garage sale, and the like. 

Meltdown99

Legalization date still up in the air, federal cannabis czar says

http://business.financialpost.com/business/legalization-date-still-up-in-the-air-federal-cannabis-czar-says?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1527251975

IDIOT politicians...there is absolutely nothing to get read for ... it's been in the communities for years ... idiot politicians all looking to cash in on the tax grab is all...

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

Legalization date still up in the air, federal cannabis czar says

http://business.financialpost.com/business/legalization-date-still-up-in-the-air-federal-cannabis-czar-says?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1527251975

IDIOT politicians...there is absolutely nothing to get read for ... it's been in the communities for years ... idiot politicians all looking to cash in on the tax grab is all...

nothing to get ready for? you can't be serious. this is a massive undertaking with rules and regs about production, distribution, sale, consumption and possession laws, etc etc. that's just the tip of it. it's not just "ok, well, I have a pound already, let's set up a lemonade/weed stand". 

I agree with the police and provincial and civic politicians....the lack of communication by the feds is (or seems to be) staggering. I know he wants the provinces to take the bull when it comes to how they handle it, but still, there needs to be guidance from the feds as to how the laws will read so they are in compliance. if you aren't,  you could be flushing thousands of dollars down the toilet to change you processes after the fact, and of course, risking reelection because the blame will fall on the provincial and municipal politicians. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Meltdown99 said:

Legalization date still up in the air, federal cannabis czar says

http://business.financialpost.com/business/legalization-date-still-up-in-the-air-federal-cannabis-czar-says?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1527251975

IDIOT politicians...there is absolutely nothing to get read for ... it's been in the communities for years ... idiot politicians all looking to cash in on the tax grab is all...

Offer a safer product as well.

I'd much rather see profits from marijuana sales in the tax pool than gang members' mattresses.

This is a process and the we are likely going to 'learn by doing'. As such, prepare for some hiccups. That being said, I'm willing to exercise levels of patience and understanding towards this venture. It's worth it.

Drowned Out

This 'legalization' is a joke.  I don't see it as 'learn by doing', I see it as 'ensure we hand a multi-billion dollar industry over to our friends and lobbyists'. How many new laws have been created in the legalization process?  Varies by province, but something like 30?  
Public intoxication penalties that make drunk in public fines look benign.  
Intoxicated driving laws that will make it virtually impossible for any regular user or medicinal patient to drive legally.  
Possession charges that carry increased penalties. 
A $5k fine in BC for having your plants visible to your neighbors.
Zero input or participation from the people who fought for legalization - craft growers completely shut out.
Big green now lobbying to ban outdoor grows - doing everything in their power to consolidate and minimize competition before legalization even begins.... 
Watching all these former cops and politicians and others who contributed to prohibition, including a family member of mine that always looked down on me, making asshole comments about cannabis consumers, get rich on the 'green rush' is a slap in the face.  
Knew the libs would fuck this up.  So frustrating.  

PJ_Soul

Drowned Out said:

This 'legalization' is a joke.  I don't see it as 'learn by doing', I see it as 'ensure we hand a multi-billion dollar industry over to our friends and lobbyists'. How many new laws have been created in the legalization process?  Varies by province, but something like 30?  
Public intoxication penalties that make drunk in public fines look benign.  
Intoxicated driving laws that will make it virtually impossible for any regular user or medicinal patient to drive legally.  
Possession charges that carry increased penalties. 
A $5k fine in BC for having your plants visible to your neighbors.
Zero input or participation from the people who fought for legalization - craft growers completely shut out.
Big green now lobbying to ban outdoor grows - doing everything in their power to consolidate and minimize competition before legalization even begins.... 
Watching all these former cops and politicians and others who contributed to prohibition, including a family member of mine that always looked down on me, making asshole comments about cannabis consumers, get rich on the 'green rush' is a slap in the face.  
Knew the libs would fuck this up.  So frustrating.  

I don't understand how you're blaming the feds when everything you're talking about is determined by each province. Much of what you're complaining about is either not the case in my province, or hasn't been determined yet at all.