Canadian Politics Redux

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Everybody should just grow their own ...

I wouldn't want to grow my own. What a pain in the ass, and I don't get enough sunlight on my balcony anyhow, and even if I did, since I'm only the second floor I'd be worried about someone climbing up a stealing it. And there is no way in hell I'd do it inside. It really is a mold hazard.
So grow your own - aren't going to be able to?

In an apartment growing your own would definitely be a problem.

I do want to get into growing my own myself at some point...

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Everybody should just grow their own ...

I wouldn't want to grow my own. What a pain in the ass, and I don't get enough sunlight on my balcony anyhow, and even if I did, since I'm only the second floor I'd be worried about someone climbing up a stealing it. And there is no way in hell I'd do it inside. It really is a mold hazard.
So grow your own - aren't going to be able to?

In an apartment growing your own would definitely be a problem.

I do want to get into growing my own myself at some point...

Sounds good - unless you rent and your landlord is against, I'm sure there is nothing stopping you.... And if you want to grow more than 4 plants for some reason, I doubt anyone is going to stop you from doing that either... Just make sure you hide it from any busy-body tee-totalling neighbors and you'll probably be fine. It's not like anyone's going to be doing door-to-door plant counts, and you're clearly not overly concerned about breaking the law.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Everybody should just grow their own ...

I wouldn't want to grow my own. What a pain in the ass, and I don't get enough sunlight on my balcony anyhow, and even if I did, since I'm only the second floor I'd be worried about someone climbing up a stealing it. And there is no way in hell I'd do it inside. It really is a mold hazard.
So grow your own - aren't going to be able to?

In an apartment growing your own would definitely be a problem.

I do want to get into growing my own myself at some point...

Sounds good - unless you rent and your landlord is against, I'm sure there is nothing stopping you.... And if you want to grow more than 4 plants for some reason, I doubt anyone is going to stop you from doing that either... Just make sure you hide it from any busy-body tee-totalling neighbors and you'll probably be fine. It's not like anyone's going to be doing door-to-door plant counts, and you're clearly not overly concerned about breaking the law.

I own my townhome ... so  I don't have to deal with a landlord.  I'm going to grow outside.  People in apartments should need their landlords permission.  Inside growing can lead to mould problems is what I'm told...

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Everybody should just grow their own ...

I wouldn't want to grow my own. What a pain in the ass, and I don't get enough sunlight on my balcony anyhow, and even if I did, since I'm only the second floor I'd be worried about someone climbing up a stealing it. And there is no way in hell I'd do it inside. It really is a mold hazard.
So grow your own - aren't going to be able to?

In an apartment growing your own would definitely be a problem.

I do want to get into growing my own myself at some point...

Sounds good - unless you rent and your landlord is against, I'm sure there is nothing stopping you.... And if you want to grow more than 4 plants for some reason, I doubt anyone is going to stop you from doing that either... Just make sure you hide it from any busy-body tee-totalling neighbors and you'll probably be fine. It's not like anyone's going to be doing door-to-door plant counts, and you're clearly not overly concerned about breaking the law.

I own my townhome ... so  I don't have to deal with a landlord.  I'm going to grow outside.  People in apartments should need their landlords permission.  Inside growing can lead to mould problems is what I'm told...

Yeah for sure. If were a landlord there is no way in hell I'd let my tenants grow indoors. It's not even only mold problems. As soon as stupid people start using grow lights, it's a fire hazard too.

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

Senate committee backs amendment giving provinces power to ban home-grown pot

http://nationalpost.com/news/senate-committee-backs-amendment-giving-provinces-power-to-ban-home-grown-pot

LMFAO at this pathetic attempt of legalization...

it was illegal for a long time to make your own liquor. baby steps. you don't go all in when you don't know what's in your hand. 

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Everybody should just grow their own ...

I wouldn't want to grow my own. What a pain in the ass, and I don't get enough sunlight on my balcony anyhow, and even if I did, since I'm only the second floor I'd be worried about someone climbing up a stealing it. And there is no way in hell I'd do it inside. It really is a mold hazard.
So grow your own - aren't going to be able to?

In an apartment growing your own would definitely be a problem.

I do want to get into growing my own myself at some point...

Sounds good - unless you rent and your landlord is against, I'm sure there is nothing stopping you.... And if you want to grow more than 4 plants for some reason, I doubt anyone is going to stop you from doing that either... Just make sure you hide it from any busy-body tee-totalling neighbors and you'll probably be fine. It's not like anyone's going to be doing door-to-door plant counts, and you're clearly not overly concerned about breaking the law.

I own my townhome ... so  I don't have to deal with a landlord.  I'm going to grow outside.  People in apartments should need their landlords permission.  Inside growing can lead to mould problems is what I'm told...

Yeah for sure. If were a landlord there is no way in hell I'd let my tenants grow indoors. It's not even only mold problems. As soon as stupid people start using grow lights, it's a fire hazard too.

All excellent points...

Meltdown99

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Senate committee backs amendment giving provinces power to ban home-grown pot

http://nationalpost.com/news/senate-committee-backs-amendment-giving-provinces-power-to-ban-home-grown-pot

LMFAO at this pathetic attempt of legalization...

it was illegal for a long time to make your own liquor. baby steps. you don't go all in when you don't know what's in your hand. 

The only thing that I don't like is that a province like Ontario, which just recently allowed beer and wine in grocery stores could move to ban home growing ... I don't the  PC's or the liberals would ... I do think the NDP will if they win the election...

I agree we have to start somewhere ... 

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Senate committee backs amendment giving provinces power to ban home-grown pot

http://nationalpost.com/news/senate-committee-backs-amendment-giving-provinces-power-to-ban-home-grown-pot

LMFAO at this pathetic attempt of legalization...

it was illegal for a long time to make your own liquor. baby steps. you don't go all in when you don't know what's in your hand. 

The only thing that I don't like is that a province like Ontario, which just recently allowed beer and wine in grocery stores could move to ban home growing ... I don't the  PC's or the liberals would ... I do think the NDP will if they win the election...

I agree we have to start somewhere ... 

I think it will eventually be ammended if the rollout is deemed a success and they can justify it with actual crime numbers decreasing, financials increasing, etc. 

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Senate committee backs amendment giving provinces power to ban home-grown pot

http://nationalpost.com/news/senate-committee-backs-amendment-giving-provinces-power-to-ban-home-grown-pot

LMFAO at this pathetic attempt of legalization...

it was illegal for a long time to make your own liquor. baby steps. you don't go all in when you don't know what's in your hand. 

The only thing that I don't like is that a province like Ontario, which just recently allowed beer and wine in grocery stores could move to ban home growing ... I don't the  PC's or the liberals would ... I do think the NDP will if they win the election...

I agree we have to start somewhere ... 

You don't think the PCs or Libs would ban home growing, but that the NDP would? Why? That isn't the case in other NDP provinces... The NDP seems most likely to allow it, no? What kind of fucked up NDP party have you got going in Ontario?

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Senate committee backs amendment giving provinces power to ban home-grown pot

http://nationalpost.com/news/senate-committee-backs-amendment-giving-provinces-power-to-ban-home-grown-pot

LMFAO at this pathetic attempt of legalization...

it was illegal for a long time to make your own liquor. baby steps. you don't go all in when you don't know what's in your hand. 

The only thing that I don't like is that a province like Ontario, which just recently allowed beer and wine in grocery stores could move to ban home growing ... I don't the  PC's or the liberals would ... I do think the NDP will if they win the election...

I agree we have to start somewhere ... 

You don't think the PCs or Libs would ban home growing, but that the NDP would? Why? That isn't the case in other NDP provinces... The NDP seems most likely to allow it, no? What kind of fucked up NDP party have you got going in Ontario?

No I do not think liberals or PCs would ban home growing.  I can only be certain after the election...and it quite possible that all 3 would exercise that option...I hope they don't...

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Senate committee backs amendment giving provinces power to ban home-grown pot

http://nationalpost.com/news/senate-committee-backs-amendment-giving-provinces-power-to-ban-home-grown-pot

LMFAO at this pathetic attempt of legalization...

it was illegal for a long time to make your own liquor. baby steps. you don't go all in when you don't know what's in your hand. 

The only thing that I don't like is that a province like Ontario, which just recently allowed beer and wine in grocery stores could move to ban home growing ... I don't the  PC's or the liberals would ... I do think the NDP will if they win the election...

I agree we have to start somewhere ... 

You don't think the PCs or Libs would ban home growing, but that the NDP would? Why? That isn't the case in other NDP provinces... The NDP seems most likely to allow it, no? What kind of fucked up NDP party have you got going in Ontario?

No I do not think liberals or PCs would ban home growing.  I can only be certain after the election...and it quite possible that all 3 would exercise that option...I hope they don't...

I don't think the PCs or Libs would either... I'm asking why you think, out of the three, that the NDP would be the ones most likely to ban it. That seems like an odd perspective to me.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Senate committee backs amendment giving provinces power to ban home-grown pot

http://nationalpost.com/news/senate-committee-backs-amendment-giving-provinces-power-to-ban-home-grown-pot

LMFAO at this pathetic attempt of legalization...

it was illegal for a long time to make your own liquor. baby steps. you don't go all in when you don't know what's in your hand. 

The only thing that I don't like is that a province like Ontario, which just recently allowed beer and wine in grocery stores could move to ban home growing ... I don't the  PC's or the liberals would ... I do think the NDP will if they win the election...

I agree we have to start somewhere ... 

You don't think the PCs or Libs would ban home growing, but that the NDP would? Why? That isn't the case in other NDP provinces... The NDP seems most likely to allow it, no? What kind of fucked up NDP party have you got going in Ontario?

No I do not think liberals or PCs would ban home growing.  I can only be certain after the election...and it quite possible that all 3 would exercise that option...I hope they don't...

I don't think the PCs or Libs would either... I'm asking why you think, out of the three, that the NDP would be the ones most likely to ban it. That seems like an odd perspective to me.

Because they are looking to pull the plug on beer and wine being sold in anymore grocery stores.  They are more concerned with union jobs than the person who prefers to grow their own...there are some people that will only consume what they grow...

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Senate committee backs amendment giving provinces power to ban home-grown pot

http://nationalpost.com/news/senate-committee-backs-amendment-giving-provinces-power-to-ban-home-grown-pot

LMFAO at this pathetic attempt of legalization...

it was illegal for a long time to make your own liquor. baby steps. you don't go all in when you don't know what's in your hand. 

The only thing that I don't like is that a province like Ontario, which just recently allowed beer and wine in grocery stores could move to ban home growing ... I don't the  PC's or the liberals would ... I do think the NDP will if they win the election...

I agree we have to start somewhere ... 

You don't think the PCs or Libs would ban home growing, but that the NDP would? Why? That isn't the case in other NDP provinces... The NDP seems most likely to allow it, no? What kind of fucked up NDP party have you got going in Ontario?

No I do not think liberals or PCs would ban home growing.  I can only be certain after the election...and it quite possible that all 3 would exercise that option...I hope they don't...

I don't think the PCs or Libs would either... I'm asking why you think, out of the three, that the NDP would be the ones most likely to ban it. That seems like an odd perspective to me.

Because they are looking to pull the plug on beer and wine being sold in anymore grocery stores.  They are more concerned with union jobs than the person who prefers to grow their own...there are some people that will only consume what they grow...

I think that's quite a leap in logic. When they start banning self-brewing kits, I'll agree with you.

Meltdown99

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Thirty Bills Unpaid

https://twitter.com/naomiaklein/status/1001504449435648000?s=21

Meltdown99

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

https://twitter.com/naomiaklein/status/1001504449435648000?s=21

LOL ...  I like Carbon Corporatism...

Let me ask anyone in BC or Alberta.  Is there a better way for Alberta to get their oil to foreign markets besides the US?  What if it was refined in province and then pipeline? 

Meltdown99

Andrew Coyne: Liberals took only possible route out of mess they created

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/liberals-took-only-possible-route-out-of-mess-they-created

Did they?  

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

https://twitter.com/naomiaklein/status/1001504449435648000?s=21

LOL ...  I like Carbon Corporatism...

Let me ask anyone in BC or Alberta.  Is there a better way for Alberta to get their oil to foreign markets besides the US?  What if it was refined in province and then pipeline? 

That would be okay - the main issue is the bitumen... that is what the level-headed Horgan has been trying to remind everyone all along.
But the pipeline approval was a massive mistake from the very beginning simply by virtue of where they're laying and ending it. Only the the most densely populated area in all of Western Canada, eh? I see that as the biggest problem. If they'd used their brains and aimed to end it in a much less populated area, I doubt we would have seen all this drama. Sure, there still would have been valid protests about keeping the waters clean, but the backlash wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe, plus the mayors and MPs in the cities involved wouldn't have gotten on the anti-pipeline train (and so they should be, especially those in Burnaby).

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

https://twitter.com/naomiaklein/status/1001504449435648000?s=21

LOL ...  I like Carbon Corporatism...

Let me ask anyone in BC or Alberta.  Is there a better way for Alberta to get their oil to foreign markets besides the US?  What if it was refined in province and then pipeline? 

That would be okay - the main issue is the bitumen... that is what the level-headed Horgan has been trying to remind everyone all along.
But the pipeline approval was a massive mistake from the very beginning simply by virtue of where they're laying and ending it. Only the the most densely populated area in all of Western Canada, eh? I see that as the biggest problem. If they'd used their brains and aimed to end it in a much less populated area, I doubt we would have seen all this drama. Sure, there still would have been valid protests about keeping the waters clean, but the backlash wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe, plus the mayors and MPs in the cities involved wouldn't have gotten on the anti-pipeline train (and so they should be, especially those in Burnaby).

Then why not spend the billions on a refinery and let kinder Morgan build a pipeline to export refined oil...

Not only that, refinery jobs are more permanent than pipeline jobs...and Alberta is a big province that could easily accommodate a refinery without much hassle (hopefully)...

I think this is on Trudeau.  Lets see if the gamble pays off or turns into a boondoggle.  

Whats this pipeline worth in terms of federal tax revenue.  Seems like he is going to lose seats in BC over this, and I do not see many gains in Alberta from this.  Seems risky politically.  Must mean it could swell federal coffers.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

https://twitter.com/naomiaklein/status/1001504449435648000?s=21

LOL ...  I like Carbon Corporatism...

Let me ask anyone in BC or Alberta.  Is there a better way for Alberta to get their oil to foreign markets besides the US?  What if it was refined in province and then pipeline? 

That would be okay - the main issue is the bitumen... that is what the level-headed Horgan has been trying to remind everyone all along.
But the pipeline approval was a massive mistake from the very beginning simply by virtue of where they're laying and ending it. Only the the most densely populated area in all of Western Canada, eh? I see that as the biggest problem. If they'd used their brains and aimed to end it in a much less populated area, I doubt we would have seen all this drama. Sure, there still would have been valid protests about keeping the waters clean, but the backlash wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe, plus the mayors and MPs in the cities involved wouldn't have gotten on the anti-pipeline train (and so they should be, especially those in Burnaby).

Then why not spend the billions on a refinery and let kinder Morgan build a pipeline to export refined oil...

Not only that, refinery jobs are more permanent than pipeline jobs...and Alberta is a big province that could easily accommodate a refinery without much hassle (hopefully)...

I think this is on Trudeau.  Lets see if the gamble pays off or turns into a boondoggle.  

Whats this pipeline worth in terms of federal tax revenue.  Seems like he is going to lose seats in BC over this, and I do not see many gains in Alberta from this.  Seems risky politically.  Must mean it could swell federal coffers.

I thought I already answered that first question by inference - I guess not. Yeah, great, build a refinery .... It's still fucking stupid to build any huge oil pipeline terminus is a densely populated area like where this one ends, be it bitumen (worse) or refined oil (still bad). The old little storage and terminus facilities that are already are enough of an eyesore and enough of a hazard for all these people living around it (me included - I'm with a couple kilometers, and my work (an entire university campus and community) is only walking distance).
I've never met anyone who is against a new refinery in AB, FWIW.