Canadian Politics Redux

Meltdown99

Vancouver gas prices are the highest in North America — and they may get worse

http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/vancouver-gasoline-prices-are-the-highest-in-north-america

And they do so with a smile...lol

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Meltdown99 said:

Vancouver gas prices are the highest in North America — and they may get worse

http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/vancouver-gasoline-prices-are-the-highest-in-north-america

And they do so with a smile...lol

It's been that way for a long time. Living next to the tar sands has had no benefit to anyone in BC.

For the record, gas prices aren't the only things that are high in BC... everything is high.

Meltdown99

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Meltdown99 said:

Vancouver gas prices are the highest in North America — and they may get worse

http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/vancouver-gasoline-prices-are-the-highest-in-north-america

And they do so with a smile...lol

It's been that way for a long time. Living next to the tar sands has had no benefit to anyone in BC.

For the record, gas prices aren't the only things that are high in BC... everything is high.

I know ... I've been there a couple times.  I am only kidding.  I like BC, I also like Alberta...but yes BC is expensive, thats the price you pay for paradise, I guess...

PJ_Soul

Doug Ford campaign confirms actors were hired to play the part of PC supporters at Monday’s debate rally

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/05/08/doug-ford-campaign-confirms-actors-were-hired-to-play-the-part-of-pc-supporters-at-mondays-debate-rally.html

Meltdown99

no one in Ontario really cares about this election ... the voters have their mind made up, and with summer like weather showing up finally, people are not paying attention.  At this point it would take a monumental gaffe by team Ford...as long as they are using their money and not taxpayers money ... oh, like Trudeau and wynn buying votes by giving Toyota millions...

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

no one in Ontario really cares about this election ... the voters have their mind made up, and with summer like weather showing up finally, people are not paying attention.  At this point it would take a monumental gaffe by team Ford...as long as they are using their money and not taxpayers money ... oh, like Trudeau and wynn buying votes by giving Toyota millions...

That is pathetic and disgusting. If it's true that nobody cares about the election - an election that is more important than a federal election for people within the province - Ontario residents should be completely ashamed of themselves.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

no one in Ontario really cares about this election ... the voters have their mind made up, and with summer like weather showing up finally, people are not paying attention.  At this point it would take a monumental gaffe by team Ford...as long as they are using their money and not taxpayers money ... oh, like Trudeau and wynn buying votes by giving Toyota millions...

That is pathetic and disgusting. If it's true that nobody cares about the election - an election that is more important than a federal election for people within the province - Ontario residents should be completely ashamed of themselves.

What can you do?  It appears the voters want change, and that change is likely Doug Ford, now he could say something silly, or something in his past could derail him...so far nothing really nothing damaging...but if he does then I suspect we'll have an NDP minority government.  The Liberals in Ontario are in a world of hurt.  So my question is, if I, a voter already had my mind made up, why would I need to pay attention?  They are all lying we know that... 

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

no one in Ontario really cares about this election ... the voters have their mind made up, and with summer like weather showing up finally, people are not paying attention.  At this point it would take a monumental gaffe by team Ford...as long as they are using their money and not taxpayers money ... oh, like Trudeau and wynn buying votes by giving Toyota millions...

That is pathetic and disgusting. If it's true that nobody cares about the election - an election that is more important than a federal election for people within the province - Ontario residents should be completely ashamed of themselves.

What can you do?  It appears the voters want change, and that change is likely Doug Ford, now he could say something silly, or something in his past could derail him...so far nothing really nothing damaging...but if he does then I suspect we'll have an NDP minority government.  The Liberals in Ontario are in a world of hurt.  So my question is, if I, a voter already had my mind made up, why would I need to pay attention?  They are all lying we know that... 

A decided voter, and all voters, always need to pay attention. Always. That is the only way to stay informed and stay responsible over time. What you're doing is justifying apathy. That is never the way to go, no matter what the circumstances are.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

no one in Ontario really cares about this election ... the voters have their mind made up, and with summer like weather showing up finally, people are not paying attention.  At this point it would take a monumental gaffe by team Ford...as long as they are using their money and not taxpayers money ... oh, like Trudeau and wynn buying votes by giving Toyota millions...

That is pathetic and disgusting. If it's true that nobody cares about the election - an election that is more important than a federal election for people within the province - Ontario residents should be completely ashamed of themselves.

What can you do?  It appears the voters want change, and that change is likely Doug Ford, now he could say something silly, or something in his past could derail him...so far nothing really nothing damaging...but if he does then I suspect we'll have an NDP minority government.  The Liberals in Ontario are in a world of hurt.  So my question is, if I, a voter already had my mind made up, why would I need to pay attention?  They are all lying we know that... 

A decided voter, and all voters, always need to pay attention. Always. That is the only way to stay informed and stay responsible over time. What you're doing is justifying apathy. That is never the way to go, no matter what the circumstances are.

What I'm doing is paying attention.  I was not referring to me, just to the fact that voters want change and it appears this election is Doug Ford's to lose.  I'm fully aware whats going on.  My vote though is going to Ford, unless he gets really silly ... my vote matters little, my riding will vote NDP.

PJ_Soul

Wow, you're voting for him? Sorry, but that seems crazy to me, but I guess some people never learn. Isn't there some independent or green party candidate or one of those kooky random parties that end up on ballots who you could vote for? That would be better than Ford, no? lol

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Wow, you're voting for him? Sorry, but that seems crazy to me, but I guess some people never learn. Isn't there some independent or green party candidate or one of those kooky random parties that end up on ballots who you could vote for? That would be better than Ford, no? lol

I'll let you know if there are ... the election starts tomorrow.  I'm not no where near that far left as the liberals and ndp in Ontario.  I prefer something to ward the middle.  The PC's are about it right now.  I don't really vote for the leader, I vote for the candidate who will best represent me.  The NDP have this riding locked anyways.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Wow, you're voting for him? Sorry, but that seems crazy to me, but I guess some people never learn. Isn't there some independent or green party candidate or one of those kooky random parties that end up on ballots who you could vote for? That would be better than Ford, no? lol

I'll let you know if there are ... the election starts tomorrow.  I'm not no where near that far left as the liberals and ndp in Ontario.  I prefer something to ward the middle.  The PC's are about it right now.  I don't really vote for the leader, I vote for the candidate who will best represent me.  The NDP have this riding locked anyways.

Fair enough, it's just that it's FORD. If it was a normal PCer I wouldn't say boo, but this guy.... man. He really isn't different than his brother - that family is shady as fuck, and I would think a normal slimeball politician from the NDP would be preferable to Ford in particular even if you are in the middle.... I hear you about the person in your riding... but FORD! Plus, I find that the premier actually does have a bigger impact on people's lives than their MLAs do, all things considered.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Wow, you're voting for him? Sorry, but that seems crazy to me, but I guess some people never learn. Isn't there some independent or green party candidate or one of those kooky random parties that end up on ballots who you could vote for? That would be better than Ford, no? lol

I'll let you know if there are ... the election starts tomorrow.  I'm not no where near that far left as the liberals and ndp in Ontario.  I prefer something to ward the middle.  The PC's are about it right now.  I don't really vote for the leader, I vote for the candidate who will best represent me.  The NDP have this riding locked anyways.

Fair enough, it's just that it's FORD. If it was a normal PCer I wouldn't say boo, but this guy.... man. He really isn't different than his brother - that family is shady as fuck, and I would think a normal slimeball politician from the NDP would be preferable to Ford in particular even if you are in the middle.... I hear you about the person in your riding... but FORD! Plus, I find that the premier actually does have a bigger impact on people's lives than their MLAs do, all things considered.

I wanted Christine Elliot to win the leadership race ... we really don't have great choices in Ontario.  If it all plays out with a Ford victory, I suspect the NDP will change leaders and of course Wynn will have to step down ... so I guess it's possible Ford only serves 1 term as Premier.  But I think Elliot would have been good premier...she still may someday.  I'm not set in my vote, I reserve the right to change my mind...

Meltdown99

Tory MPs call for action against self-confessed ISIS recruit living in Toronto

https://globalnews.ca/news/4204245/canadian-islamic-state-recruit-toronto/

Trudeau will likely give hime a hug ... 

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

Tory MPs call for action against self-confessed ISIS recruit living in Toronto

https://globalnews.ca/news/4204245/canadian-islamic-state-recruit-toronto/

Trudeau will likely give hime a hug ... 

No he wouldn't. Are you willfully ignoring the actual reasons behind Trudeau's perspectives on that issue, or honestly ignorant to them?

Meltdown99

Justin Trudeau just handed tens of millions of your tax dollars to the richest company on earth

http://brianlilley.com/justin-trudeau-just-handed-tens-of-millions-of-your-tax-dollars-to-the-richest-company-on-earth/

I guess when your a trust fund baby, we can not expect him to respect taxpayers...jeesh...what a donkey.

PJ_Soul

I truly just can't take anything you say seriously because of the ridiculous biased little tag lines you add. Are you not capable of posting something without making it look like you're one of those facebook goofs?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Tory MPs call for action against self-confessed ISIS recruit living in Toronto

https://globalnews.ca/news/4204245/canadian-islamic-state-recruit-toronto/

Trudeau will likely give hime a hug ... 

No he wouldn't. Are you willfully ignoring the actual reasons behind Trudeau's perspectives on that issue, or honestly ignorant to them?

Trudeau's perspectives on that issue are moronic. The vast majority of Canada isn't interested in harbouring ISIS operatives under the guise of rehabilitation.

And regarding the most recent link two posts above... the math doesn't add up. I'm not surprised though- he is consistently showing he's not ready. I had hopes for him, but the optimism is dimming substantially.

Just like we voted the last bum out... we'll be voting this bum out next election.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Tory MPs call for action against self-confessed ISIS recruit living in Toronto

https://globalnews.ca/news/4204245/canadian-islamic-state-recruit-toronto/

Trudeau will likely give hime a hug ... 

No he wouldn't. Are you willfully ignoring the actual reasons behind Trudeau's perspectives on that issue, or honestly ignorant to them?

Trudeau's perspectives on that issue are moronic. The vast majority of Canada isn't interested in harbouring ISIS operatives under the guise of rehabilitation.

And regarding the most recent link two posts above... the math doesn't add up. I'm not surprised though- he is consistently showing he's not ready. I had hopes for him, but the optimism is dimming substantially.

Just like we voted the last bum out... we'll be voting this bum out next election.

I have already said many time I don't agree with Trudeau's handling of it. But his perspectives aren't moronic. They are based on Canadian law and what is reasonably possible under those laws. I don't agree with all of his conclusions or ideas here, but just writing it off as plain old "moronic" also dismisses a whole lot of fact.

But I am addressing Meltdown's tendency towards really silly hyperbole. It denigrates all discourse IMO, and it is a tactic that is spreading in Canada, and it disgusts me, frankly.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Tory MPs call for action against self-confessed ISIS recruit living in Toronto

https://globalnews.ca/news/4204245/canadian-islamic-state-recruit-toronto/

Trudeau will likely give hime a hug ... 

No he wouldn't. Are you willfully ignoring the actual reasons behind Trudeau's perspectives on that issue, or honestly ignorant to them?

Trudeau's perspectives on that issue are moronic. The vast majority of Canada isn't interested in harbouring ISIS operatives under the guise of rehabilitation.

And regarding the most recent link two posts above... the math doesn't add up. I'm not surprised though- he is consistently showing he's not ready. I had hopes for him, but the optimism is dimming substantially.

Just like we voted the last bum out... we'll be voting this bum out next election.

I have already said many time I don't agree with Trudeau's handling of it. But his perspectives aren't moronic. They are based on Canadian law and what is reasonably possible under those laws. I don't agree with all of his conclusions or ideas here, but just writing it off as plain old "moronic" also dismisses a whole lot of fact.

But I am addressing Meltdown's tendency towards really silly hyperbole. It denigrates all discourse IMO, and it is a tactic that is spreading in Canada, and it disgusts me, frankly.

How does Canadian law regard a citizen who has committed grievous offences in another country?

https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/publications/guide-for-canadians-imprisoned-abroad says:

If you break the laws of another country, you are subject to the judicial system of that country. Being a foreigner or not knowing the local laws is not an excuse. Global Affairs Canada can neither protect you from the consequences of your actions nor override the decisions of local authorities.

The rat that wormed his way into Canada was an executioner for ISIS in Syria- confessing to shooting people in the head (Meltdown's link).

You say Trudeau's perspectives are based on Canadian law and what is reasonably possible under those laws. I say there's a bit more latitude in Canadian law to let these losers reap what they have sown than what you seem willing to accept. In his own words, Trudeau has come across as somewhat eager to assist the terror voyeurs re-enter Canada in the hopes of helping them re-establish 'normalcy'.