The real causes of mass shootings?

ldent42

suicide by cop is something they do cuz they too chicken shit to kill themselves. Or some of them probably think that if they kill themself they wont get into heaven (or what have you) which is so dumb it's almost funny.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

I guess we should be carefully looking at the fact that these are all men. Don't men have some insight there? What could be done to help the problem of all these males turning to extreme violence as a way to express themselves?

Men are brutal. We are prone to violence and much more dangerous than the fairer, kinder gender.

I am not sure what your point is here. Are you saying there is nothing to be done because men are born to be mass killers?

Annafalk

I seems to me like these school shooters often has been very lonely people. It seems they feel excluded from the community, they haven't received any love and they get angry and frustrated about their situation. Why are they so filled with hate ?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

I guess we should be carefully looking at the fact that these are all men. Don't men have some insight there? What could be done to help the problem of all these males turning to extreme violence as a way to express themselves?

Men are brutal. We are prone to violence and much more dangerous than the fairer, kinder gender.

I am not sure what your point is here. Are you saying there is nothing to be done because men are born to be mass killers?

Not really.

I'm supporting the assertion that men are the root of most violence. I'd go further to say that if it is a female who is violent... she has been a victim of a male that, as such, is indirectly responsible as well.

JUST A GIRL

Let's remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Please demonstrate one instance otherwise. I don't recall the last time a gun began firing on its own.

jnimhaoileoin

JUST A GIRL said:

Let's remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Please demonstrate one instance otherwise. I don't recall the last time a gun began firing on its own.

That's more than a little facetious, not one of us is suggesting that the gun itself decides to go out and kill people. What we are saying, however, is that if the person intent on killing was unable to gain possession of a gun, clearly they would not be able to kill anyone with said gun.

jnimhaoileoin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Is there a more ruthless state of capitalism than the US?

Is the 'dog eat dog' attitude more prevalent in any other country?

I ask because I wonder if this attitude transcends itself through the fabric of US society and affects some in ways which are immeasurable and unexplainable- largely through feelings of inadequacy.

To serve as background to what I am saying... I backpacked Costa Rica back in 1991 (or 1992). Panama to the south and Nicaragua to the north had experienced civil war in the same era (roughly). Costa Rica had no internal tension. What was the difference? Same geographical regions, people, and languages... but Costa Rica provided public education and health care while the other countries didn't. The people were content with baseline levels of social programming.

Interestingly... Costa Rica police, at the time, never carried guns.

In a nutshell... does the pursuit of the American Dream (fame and fortune) drive some to despair and anger? University and colleges are prime places for people to begin to realize they might not materialize into what they had hoped.

Just thoughts off the top of my head.

Good points and interesting as I do think there must be something in the American psyche to explain why it happens there

hedonist

JUST A GIRL said:

Let's remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Please demonstrate one instance otherwise. I don't recall the last time a gun began firing on its own.

Some people, some fucked up people, use guns - and yes, other weapons - to kill people.

Isn't it worth trying to curb some of that? And hold accountable those who choose to pull the trigger? Maybe keep them away from that trigger, whether literally or figuratively?

And damn. I wish I could show an instance where a gun fired on its own. Honestly, I envisioned a little Gunby Gumby version shouting "dance, motherfucker!"

mickeyrat

JUST A GIRL said:

Let's remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Please demonstrate one instance otherwise. I don't recall the last time a gun began firing on its own.

you're right. the answer is to ban people.

Bentleyspop

JUST A GIRL said:

Let's remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Please demonstrate one instance otherwise. I don't recall the last time a gun began firing on its own.

You're right

Gun owners kill people

dudeman

Annafalk said:

I seems to me like these school shooters often has been very lonely people. It seems they feel excluded from the community, they haven't received any love and they get angry and frustrated about their situation. Why are they so filled with hate ?

hedonist said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Let's remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Please demonstrate one instance otherwise. I don't recall the last time a gun began firing on its own.

Some people, some fucked up people, use guns - and yes, other weapons - to kill people.

Isn't it worth trying to curb some of that? And hold accountable those who choose to pull the trigger? Maybe keep them away from that trigger, whether literally or figuratively?

And damn. I wish I could show an instance where a gun fired on its own. Honestly, I envisioned a little Gunby Gumby version shouting "dance, motherfucker!"

We do hold them accountable, we try them for murder.

hedonist

True, as they should be. But what about the other part you bolded?

dudeman

rr165892 said:

Teach,you got that right about not growing up now.Shit,IPhones and cameras would have buried my group of friends in the 80s.It was sooo much better not being plugged in.imo.
I think J is onto something.That is when things got shitty around early mid 90s.So if the interwebs have added to this then first person violent shooter games have some part to play.I think I read every shoot through SC was a video gamer???

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. The timeline that seems to reveal a spike in mass shootings.

As a curiosity, I began wondering what divorce rates were like during this same time period. My friends whose parents got divorced commonly refer to that event as the worst time of their lives.

Imagine being an already socially awkward kid so you probably don't have many friends. Maybe you are bullied at school. Now, you go home to an empty house at the end of the school day and your one parent has to work, is seldom around, is too tired and overwhelmed to be an attentive, loving parent.

I don't think that you can discount the effect of the breakdown of the family when considering our multiple social and cultural problems in this country.

JWPearl

Who do you think will speak for such like ones??
I will never vote for man governments but for God's
Kingdom paradise..

dudeman

hedonist said:

True, as they should be. But what about the other part you bolded?

Sorry, I got carried away with the awesome power of bolding. I don't have any issues at all with keeping guns out of the hands of those with mental disorders, criminal records, domestic abusers and drug addicts. There are a lot of people out there who should never have access to weapons of any kind.

As for the figurative aspect, it comes down to this: people have to give a shit about other people.

jnimhaoileoin

dudeman said:

hedonist said:

True, as they should be. But what about the other part you bolded?

Sorry, I got carried away with the awesome power of bolding. I don't have any issues at all with keeping guns out of the hands of those with mental disorders, criminal records, domestic abusers and drug addicts. There are a lot of people out there who should never have access to weapons of any kind.

As for the figurative aspect, it comes down to this: people have to give a shit about other people.

Have you an opinion on why these people seem to place so little value on other's lives?

I've given this example before, to try and illustrate how different it is for us here in Ireland. Every life lost prematurely in a violent death, be it accidental or intentional, makes the national news and is felt by all of us. We have not yet become desensitised to such losses and I hope we never will. In a country as vast as America, do you think there's a disconnect, such that you just don't feel that bond with your fellow citizens? Murder, while not being taken lightly, is accepted as being commonplace and so frequent as to barely even be commented upon unless you personally knew the victim.

hedonist

dudeman said:

hedonist said:

True, as they should be. But what about the other part you bolded?

Sorry, I got carried away with the awesome power of bolding. I don't have any issues at all with keeping guns out of the hands of those with mental disorders, criminal records, domestic abusers and drug addicts. There are a lot of people out there who should never have access to weapons of any kind.

As for the figurative aspect, it comes down to this: people have to give a shit about other people.

We're pretty much on the same page it seems.

Including that bolding/formatting freedom!

JWPearl, not sure I grasped your comment - no pressure, but please clarify if so inclined.

PJfanwillneverleave1

JWPearl said:

Who do you think will speak for such like ones??
I will never vote for man governments but for God's
Kingdom paradise..

What do you mean?
I am not religious so you may as well be speaking gibberish.
Can you perhaps explain in non biblical talk what you mean and how it pertains to this thread?

dudeman

jnimhaoileoin said:

dudeman said:

hedonist said:

True, as they should be. But what about the other part you bolded?

Sorry, I got carried away with the awesome power of bolding. I don't have any issues at all with keeping guns out of the hands of those with mental disorders, criminal records, domestic abusers and drug addicts. There are a lot of people out there who should never have access to weapons of any kind.

As for the figurative aspect, it comes down to this: people have to give a shit about other people.

Have you an opinion on why these people seem to place so little value on other's lives?

I've given this example before, to try and illustrate how different it is for us here in Ireland. Every life lost prematurely in a violent death, be it accidental or intentional, makes the national news and is felt by all of us. We have not yet become desensitised to such losses and I hope we never will. In a country as vast as America, do you think there's a disconnect, such that you just don't feel that bond with your fellow citizens? Murder, while not being taken lightly, is accepted as being commonplace and so frequent as to barely even be commented upon unless you personally knew the victim.

I think some people go so deep into the pit of despair that they say "Fuck it! No one cares about me so I'll do something huge to get noticed ".

I think you're right about people here being desensitized to violence and murder here.

Leezestarr313

Very good thread. As a European in the US, I have been asking myself and others the same questions as the OP a lot. To varying degrees of willingness to discuss. Which is understandable. But I just wanted to say thank you, because reading the OP's perspective makes me feel less like I am an idiot who doesn't see the point. and reading the discussion in here helps with that as well. Good job, folks.