The real causes of mass shootings?

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  • Just read the news, a child shot dead by a neighbour, a baby shot in the chest.
    WTF?!
    When will America ban guns?!
    What makes a young person shoot their neighbour over such a typical child squabble, what makes a child shoot a baby in the chest?
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  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Posts: 4,004

    Just read the news, a child shot dead by a neighbour, a baby shot in the chest.
    WTF?!
    When will America ban guns?!
    What makes a young person shoot their neighbour over such a typical child squabble, what makes a child shoot a baby in the chest?

    Yes, news like these makes it so obvious that even the most unfit people get access to guns, both the irresponsible parents and the kids.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Mass shooting, "knockout game" attacks, kids getting shot, road rage, schoolyard bullies, prison industry incarceration of non-victim crimes, stalking, rape, domestic violence, violence toward women, child abuse, human trafficking, hate crimes, murder, assault, massive disparity of distribution of wealth, environmental degradation, illegal hunting and killing of endangered species, destruction of habitat, depletion of natural resources, inadequate health care, inadequate mental health care... it's no wonder so many of us have a hard time sleeping. It's time to get over this violence kick, America.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    So reading various posts(great stuff) and think there's a combination of reasons.

    Another thing that's different in US from other countries Ive been is our expectation of 24 access to everything and corporate Americas willingness to supply. Stores are pretty much all open 7 days a week many open late and 24 hours. As we shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas low wage service industry providing jobs, families aren't spending much time together. What happened to the family meal. All got together to talk about their day.
    Lived in country were stores closed at noon on Saturday, closed Sunday and early during the week. Families spent more time together. Add the "give junior an I pad at 6 years old to shut him up" and no wonder we see kids veer. Course jr will then get into social media and really get skewed.

    As to sense of community in US or rather the lack there of, we are an individualistic culture. We don't see each other as one. Too big I guess. So we have sub groups that in no way want to help each other "no way do I want my tax dollars paying for Chaniqua's or Maria's babies. ". Politicians know this and feed this hate. Boggles the mind some opposed to healthcare but this is why. Can see citizens of Norway banding together for good. They are a small group. We aren't. May be reason Canada doesn't have our problems. Size.

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,501
    callen said:

    So reading various posts(great stuff) and think there's a combination of reasons.

    Another thing that's different in US from other countries Ive been is our expectation of 24 access to everything and corporate Americas willingness to supply. Stores are pretty much all open 7 days a week many open late and 24 hours. As we shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas low wage service industry providing jobs, families aren't spending much time together. What happened to the family meal. All got together to talk about their day.
    Lived in country were stores closed at noon on Saturday, closed Sunday and early during the week. Families spent more time together. Add the "give junior an I pad at 6 years old to shut him up" and no wonder we see kids veer. Course jr will then get into social media and really get skewed.

    As to sense of community in US or rather the lack there of, we are an individualistic culture. We don't see each other as one. Too big I guess. So we have sub groups that in no way want to help each other "no way do I want my tax dollars paying for Chaniqua's or Maria's babies. ". Politicians know this and feed this hate. Boggles the mind some opposed to healthcare but this is why. Can see citizens of Norway banding together for good. They are a small group. We aren't. May be reason Canada doesn't have our problems. Size.

    great post callen and I couldn't agree more. Remember block parties when you were little? The whole community would get together and socialize. Now those types of events are few and far between. There is no sense of community anymore. It's really really sad.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    mcgruff10 said:

    callen said:

    So reading various posts(great stuff) and think there's a combination of reasons.

    Another thing that's different in US from other countries Ive been is our expectation of 24 access to everything and corporate Americas willingness to supply. Stores are pretty much all open 7 days a week many open late and 24 hours. As we shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas low wage service industry providing jobs, families aren't spending much time together. What happened to the family meal. All got together to talk about their day.
    Lived in country were stores closed at noon on Saturday, closed Sunday and early during the week. Families spent more time together. Add the "give junior an I pad at 6 years old to shut him up" and no wonder we see kids veer. Course jr will then get into social media and really get skewed.

    As to sense of community in US or rather the lack there of, we are an individualistic culture. We don't see each other as one. Too big I guess. So we have sub groups that in no way want to help each other "no way do I want my tax dollars paying for Chaniqua's or Maria's babies. ". Politicians know this and feed this hate. Boggles the mind some opposed to healthcare but this is why. Can see citizens of Norway banding together for good. They are a small group. We aren't. May be reason Canada doesn't have our problems. Size.

    great post callen and I couldn't agree more. Remember block parties when you were little? The whole community would get together and socialize. Now those types of events are few and far between. There is no sense of community anymore. It's really really sad.
    I totally agree with both you guys. A sense of community is badly needed in most places. I live in a small city now (about 12,000 people but really more like 25,000 including outlying areas that consider Placerville "town") and there is a fairly good sense of community here but I'm sure this is not the norm. I've lived in much bigger towns where there was no sense of community. When I was a kid I lived in a city of about 50,000. Our neighborhood was so tight knit that it was normal on our block for us when we were small kids to go into each others houses without even knocking. Today, that might get a kid shot. :frowning:
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    brianlux said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    callen said:

    So reading various posts(great stuff) and think there's a combination of reasons.

    Another thing that's different in US from other countries Ive been is our expectation of 24 access to everything and corporate Americas willingness to supply. Stores are pretty much all open 7 days a week many open late and 24 hours. As we shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas low wage service industry providing jobs, families aren't spending much time together. What happened to the family meal. All got together to talk about their day.
    Lived in country were stores closed at noon on Saturday, closed Sunday and early during the week. Families spent more time together. Add the "give junior an I pad at 6 years old to shut him up" and no wonder we see kids veer. Course jr will then get into social media and really get skewed.

    As to sense of community in US or rather the lack there of, we are an individualistic culture. We don't see each other as one. Too big I guess. So we have sub groups that in no way want to help each other "no way do I want my tax dollars paying for Chaniqua's or Maria's babies. ". Politicians know this and feed this hate. Boggles the mind some opposed to healthcare but this is why. Can see citizens of Norway banding together for good. They are a small group. We aren't. May be reason Canada doesn't have our problems. Size.

    great post callen and I couldn't agree more. Remember block parties when you were little? The whole community would get together and socialize. Now those types of events are few and far between. There is no sense of community anymore. It's really really sad.
    I totally agree with both you guys. A sense of community is badly needed in most places. I live in a small city now (about 12,000 people but really more like 25,000 including outlying areas that consider Placerville "town") and there is a fairly good sense of community here but I'm sure this is not the norm. I've lived in much bigger towns where there was no sense of community. When I was a kid I lived in a city of about 50,000. Our neighborhood was so tight knit that it was normal on our block for us when we were small kids to go into each others houses without even knocking. Today, that might get a kid shot. :frowning:
    I miss my Brooklyn block parties, but I was happy to see that my new block in my new town had one this summer. Not as much fun for me, but the community spirit was still there, I suppose.

    It's kind of hard to beat Brooklyn, trying to make small talk with Gibby Haynes while we waited in line with our kids for their pony rides. So surreal.

    Carry on.
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    dankind said:

    brianlux said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    callen said:

    So reading various posts(great stuff) and think there's a combination of reasons.

    Another thing that's different in US from other countries Ive been is our expectation of 24 access to everything and corporate Americas willingness to supply. Stores are pretty much all open 7 days a week many open late and 24 hours. As we shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas low wage service industry providing jobs, families aren't spending much time together. What happened to the family meal. All got together to talk about their day.
    Lived in country were stores closed at noon on Saturday, closed Sunday and early during the week. Families spent more time together. Add the "give junior an I pad at 6 years old to shut him up" and no wonder we see kids veer. Course jr will then get into social media and really get skewed.

    As to sense of community in US or rather the lack there of, we are an individualistic culture. We don't see each other as one. Too big I guess. So we have sub groups that in no way want to help each other "no way do I want my tax dollars paying for Chaniqua's or Maria's babies. ". Politicians know this and feed this hate. Boggles the mind some opposed to healthcare but this is why. Can see citizens of Norway banding together for good. They are a small group. We aren't. May be reason Canada doesn't have our problems. Size.

    great post callen and I couldn't agree more. Remember block parties when you were little? The whole community would get together and socialize. Now those types of events are few and far between. There is no sense of community anymore. It's really really sad.
    I totally agree with both you guys. A sense of community is badly needed in most places. I live in a small city now (about 12,000 people but really more like 25,000 including outlying areas that consider Placerville "town") and there is a fairly good sense of community here but I'm sure this is not the norm. I've lived in much bigger towns where there was no sense of community. When I was a kid I lived in a city of about 50,000. Our neighborhood was so tight knit that it was normal on our block for us when we were small kids to go into each others houses without even knocking. Today, that might get a kid shot. :frowning:
    I miss my Brooklyn block parties, but I was happy to see that my new block in my new town had one this summer. Not as much fun for me, but the community spirit was still there, I suppose.

    It's kind of hard to beat Brooklyn, trying to make small talk with Gibby Haynes while we waited in line with our kids for their pony rides. So surreal.

    Carry on.
    I remember those block parties in Brooklyn in the 70's. They were so much fun....it's where my fascination into being a DJ began. Then we would head off to Kings Plaza to play the arcades....I wonder that place is still around. Those were the days, there was no fear of anything. Even the evening the lights went out in the city summer 77' I think it was. Chaotic yes but it was wild to see Brooklyn in the dark.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    dankind said:

    brianlux said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    callen said:

    So reading various posts(great stuff) and think there's a combination of reasons.

    Another thing that's different in US from other countries Ive been is our expectation of 24 access to everything and corporate Americas willingness to supply. Stores are pretty much all open 7 days a week many open late and 24 hours. As we shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas low wage service industry providing jobs, families aren't spending much time together. What happened to the family meal. All got together to talk about their day.
    Lived in country were stores closed at noon on Saturday, closed Sunday and early during the week. Families spent more time together. Add the "give junior an I pad at 6 years old to shut him up" and no wonder we see kids veer. Course jr will then get into social media and really get skewed.

    As to sense of community in US or rather the lack there of, we are an individualistic culture. We don't see each other as one. Too big I guess. So we have sub groups that in no way want to help each other "no way do I want my tax dollars paying for Chaniqua's or Maria's babies. ". Politicians know this and feed this hate. Boggles the mind some opposed to healthcare but this is why. Can see citizens of Norway banding together for good. They are a small group. We aren't. May be reason Canada doesn't have our problems. Size.

    great post callen and I couldn't agree more. Remember block parties when you were little? The whole community would get together and socialize. Now those types of events are few and far between. There is no sense of community anymore. It's really really sad.
    I totally agree with both you guys. A sense of community is badly needed in most places. I live in a small city now (about 12,000 people but really more like 25,000 including outlying areas that consider Placerville "town") and there is a fairly good sense of community here but I'm sure this is not the norm. I've lived in much bigger towns where there was no sense of community. When I was a kid I lived in a city of about 50,000. Our neighborhood was so tight knit that it was normal on our block for us when we were small kids to go into each others houses without even knocking. Today, that might get a kid shot. :frowning:
    I miss my Brooklyn block parties, but I was happy to see that my new block in my new town had one this summer. Not as much fun for me, but the community spirit was still there, I suppose.

    It's kind of hard to beat Brooklyn, trying to make small talk with Gibby Haynes while we waited in line with our kids for their pony rides. So surreal.

    Carry on.
    I enjoyed visiting my cousin in Brooklyn years ago but I hope it is a better place than it was last time I was there. That would be around 1988. I managed to park my VW bug in front of his apartment but he told me I'd better stay up all night and watch my car because every VW park on his block got stolen. I guess I was lucky, the only thing that happened was watching a junkie leaning on my car while shooting up.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













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