Hillary won more votes for President

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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    rgambs said:

    brianlux said:

    Hillary is just more of the same. Unless you are one of the 1% rich, you are going to lose out with more of the same. Wanna see your life and your kid's life continue to degrade economically and (especially) environmentally? Vote for Hillary! (And as the saying goes, "Good luck with that!)

    It amazes me how fearful so many democrats have become of true change, especially when that change will make their lives better (unless, of course, you are one of the 1% wealthy).

    There is no choice.
    Vote for Clinton or vote for the global warming deniers, the anti-minwagers, the Christian crusaders, etc...

    That's our sad reality.
    How is taking money from the fossil fuel industry different then denying climate change? Republicans receive money from fossil fuel industry too! They are no different from her, aside from speaking points.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    brianlux said:

    Hillary is just more of the same. Unless you are one of the 1% rich, you are going to lose out with more of the same. Wanna see your life and your kid's life continue to degrade economically and (especially) environmentally? Vote for Hillary! (And as the saying goes, "Good luck with that!)

    It amazes me how fearful so many democrats have become of true change, especially when that change will make their lives better (unless, of course, you are one of the 1% wealthy).

    There is no choice.
    Vote for Clinton or vote for the global warming deniers, the anti-minwagers, the Christian crusaders, etc...

    That's our sad reality.
    How is taking money from the fossil fuel industry different then denying climate change? Republicans receive money from fossil fuel industry too! They are no different from her, aside from speaking points.
    Speaking points are very important in a country struggling with an identity crisis.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663


    dignin said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    tonifig8 said:

    rssesq said:

    You are correct sir. Unfortunately it means that many, many people who never voted Republican in a Presidential election before, will be doing just that in November, myself included. It almost hurts to say it but the democratic candidate has a MUCH more cozier relationship with VAMPIRE SQUID WALL STREET!
    YO YO YO the establishments got to GO!

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:

    Facts are facts Dude.

    They certainly are. And the fact is Bernies bid is over and has been since AZ.
    This is absolutely correct. I share the same sentiment.

    At least with Trump we'll get to shake up the system, assuming he isn't a democrat in disguise.

    4 years of Trump in exchange we get to shake up the entire system and hopefully get some real candidates down the line would be well worth it.
    In 4 years you would have the electorate clamoring to get back to a status quo candidate. The world would just be stuck with Trump for 4 years, nothing gained. Thanks, but no thanks.
    Nothing gained, but likely a ton lost, starting with SCOTUS seats.
    Exactly. Sorry but I'm no masochist, I don't want to see what a Trump presidency will look like....just to shake things up.
    brianlux said:

    rgambs said:

    brianlux said:

    Hillary is just more of the same. Unless you are one of the 1% rich, you are going to lose out with more of the same. Wanna see your life and your kid's life continue to degrade economically and (especially) environmentally? Vote for Hillary! (And as the saying goes, "Good luck with that!)

    It amazes me how fearful so many democrats have become of true change, especially when that change will make their lives better (unless, of course, you are one of the 1% wealthy).

    There is no choice.
    Vote for Clinton or vote for the global warming deniers, the anti-minwagers, the Christian crusaders, etc...

    That's our sad reality.
    I honestly believe if it comes down to Hillary or Trump it won't matter any more. If it comes down to those two, I will vote for Jill Stein. Hillary is just a part of the machine that is destroying our planet. I won't be fooled again.
    I know the environment is a huge issue for you Brian. It's a huge issue for me too. So whose presidency is going to be worse for the environment. Trump or Clintons? There is a very real difference. At some point you are going to have to make that choice.

    Bernie will not win, Stein will not win.
    In the long run, neither of those two will help the environment enough to make a difference. We don't have enough time to dink around with half-assed pseudo environmentalism and Clinton isn't even a half-assed environmentalist. She is a corporate employee and the vast majority of corporations don't give two shits about the environment. I won't be fooled by thinking Clinton is better than Trump.

    Sorry to sound so harsh but that's how I honestly see it. We don't have time to play the lesser of two evils game any more. We really don't.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited April 2016
    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    brianlux said:

    Hillary is just more of the same. Unless you are one of the 1% rich, you are going to lose out with more of the same. Wanna see your life and your kid's life continue to degrade economically and (especially) environmentally? Vote for Hillary! (And as the saying goes, "Good luck with that!)

    It amazes me how fearful so many democrats have become of true change, especially when that change will make their lives better (unless, of course, you are one of the 1% wealthy).

    There is no choice.
    Vote for Clinton or vote for the global warming deniers, the anti-minwagers, the Christian crusaders, etc...

    That's our sad reality.
    How is taking money from the fossil fuel industry different then denying climate change? Republicans receive money from fossil fuel industry too! They are no different from her, aside from speaking points.
    Speaking points are very important in a country struggling with an identity crisis.
    Yeah, especially when you have a person attempting to convince entire country that they're not closet Republicans, and that they're on the side of people, when they really serve only the corporations and special interests.
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  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    When Hillary gets off her knees and finishes bowing down to Steven Cohen, Lloyd Blankfein and the banksters, let me know. They pay a 5 billion dollar fines and no one spent a day at the special jail in the Catskills. hmmm.
    The $800,000 they paid her for "speeches" (actually it was for deferred prosecutions) that she wont release wasn't really THAT much. lol
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    I hadn't realized that this program was to benefit rich kids, the 1%. I guess Fact Check can't be trusted. :wink:
    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Finding anything factual that Hillary is doing something good for the people is hard to find isn't it?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Let's see some more, present tense please.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Free said:

    Let's see some more, present tense please.

    She hasn't been an elected official since 2008, so no...there's not much of the way of legislation since then.

    We liberals used to be known for relying on facts. Sadly, that has dissipated.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,422
    rssesq said:

    When Hillary gets off her knees and finishes bowing down to Steven Cohen, Lloyd Blankfein and the banksters, let me know. They pay a 5 billion dollar fines and no one spent a day at the special jail in the Catskills. hmmm.
    The $800,000 they paid her for "speeches" (actually it was for deferred prosecutions) that she wont release wasn't really THAT much. lol

    You okay counselor?
    You forgot to mention The Rothschilds, Dershowitz, and the "4 of 9"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    McCain-Feingold.. Dodd-Frank.. Affordable Care Act... what is the signature legislation that Sanders wrote, sponsored and had passed since 2009? In fact, go back further. What is Sanders' signature legislative achievement that was passed?
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    edited April 2016
    omg, not at all. Here are a few links to help you. If it’s not enough, just google ‘good things Hillary has done.’ :) And that Super Pac is paying people to counter the harassment of Hillary supporters online. It's right on the page you linked to, Free. I have to wonder who might be paying them to harass. It usually goes both ways. I don’t support either side of that…would like to see Super Pacs done away with. Hopefully, the SCOTUS in 2017 will see that happens…or any other way to clean up politics. I don’t like the Congressional phone banks either…our elected officials spending way too much of their day phoning for dollars instead of working for us. ugh.

    http://mic.com/articles/115514/11-things-hillary-clinton-has-accomplished-that-have-nothing-to-do-with-bill#.pFcRDU2aF

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/carly-fiorina-debate-hillary-clintons-greatest-accomplishment-213157

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/opinions/rosen-clinton-fiorina/

    http://correctrecord.org/praise-for-hillary-clinton/
    Post edited by Kat on
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    stop stalking me dual citizener, lol.
    Bentleyspop said:

    rssesq said:

    When Hillary gets off her knees and finishes bowing down to Steven Cohen, Lloyd Blankfein and the banksters, let me know. They pay a 5 billion dollar fines and no one spent a day at the special jail in the Catskills. hmmm.
    The $800,000 they paid her for "speeches" (actually it was for deferred prosecutions) that she wont release wasn't really THAT much. lol

    You okay counselor?
    You forgot to mention The Rothschilds, Dershowitz, and the "4 of 9"
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    mrussel1 said:

    McCain-Feingold.. Dodd-Frank.. Affordable Care Act... what is the signature legislation that Sanders wrote, sponsored and had passed since 2009? In fact, go back further. What is Sanders' signature legislative achievement that was passed?

    I see, you can toot your own horn yet refuse hard facts that have been posted over and over again.

    Here's what Bernie has done.

    http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Kat said:

    omg, not at all. Here are a few links to help you. If it’s not enough, just google ‘good things Hillary has done.’ :) And that Super Pac is paying people to counter the harassment of Hillary supporters online. It's right on the page you linked to, Free. I have to wonder who might be paying them to harass. It usually goes both ways. I don’t support either side of that…would like to see Super Pacs done away with. Hopefully, the SCOTUS in 2017 will see that happens…or any other way to clean up politics. I don’t like the Congressional phone banks either…our elected officials spending way too much of their day phoning for dollars instead of working for us. ugh.

    http://mic.com/articles/115514/11-things-hillary-clinton-has-accomplished-that-have-nothing-to-do-with-bill#.pFcRDU2aF

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/carly-fiorina-debate-hillary-clintons-greatest-accomplishment-213157

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/opinions/rosen-clinton-fiorina/

    http://correctrecord.org/praise-for-hillary-clinton/

    Do you read what you post? I asked for Facts of what she's accomplished for the people and you post this:

    The mic.com article:
    1. She gave and delivered a kickass commencement speech at Wellesley College in 1969.
    2. She was one of 27 women who graduated from Yale Law School in 1973, out of a class of 235.
    3. She was the only woman on the Nixon impeachment investigation team.
    4. She cofounded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families advocacy group
    5. She broke the mold for first ladies with her speech at the 1995 United Nations Women's Conference in China 6. She won a Grammy for the audio edition of her book, It Takes a Village.

    I don't need to post the rest.

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    McCain-Feingold.. Dodd-Frank.. Affordable Care Act... what is the signature legislation that Sanders wrote, sponsored and had passed since 2009? In fact, go back further. What is Sanders' signature legislative achievement that was passed?

    I see, you can toot your own horn yet refuse hard facts that have been posted over and over again.

    Here's what Bernie has done.

    http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
    Toot my own horn? No... there's no legislation with my name on it unfortunately. But you are pointing to amendments and co-sponsors. Under that guideline, Hillary was more active in her 2 terms than Bernie was in 30 years. I asked for something that he wrote, sponsored and was passed into law. I'm fairly certain there are only three pieces of legislation that Bernie truly spearheaded, two were for post offices, and one was for a COLA for veterans.

    Either way.... it doesn't matter.... the nomination process is over. No matter how many things you post, it doesn't change the fact that it's going to be Hillary as the nomination. Bernie can go back to being a one man party. I certainly don't expect him to stay a Democrat.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    The Politico had these among a couple others:

    1. Her China speech on women.
    2. Her role in killing Osama bin Laden.
    3. Management of the State Department during which time we saw a 50 percent increase in exports to China, aggressive work on climate (particularly at Copenhagen), and the effort to create and implement the toughest sanctions ever on Iran—helping to lead us to the agreement currently on the table.

    1.? An accomplishment for the people? And if she is attributed with backing women in general, she is equally attributed for trashing women for supporting a candidate that is not her. Should we bring up her role in Bill's extramarital affairs and how she quietly dismissed but first chided them down to nothing? Look it up.

    2. Bin Laden. And what role is that? No one Ever even showed proof that he was even killed, there was no body the US provided in photograph, let alone a body.

    3. Exports to China led to tax breaks for companies to export jobs and companies overseas. Climate work? Ha, if accepting $$$ from fossil fuel industry is climate work, yeah, taken care of. I don't see anything about Panama Papers in there, and her involvement...and she and Bill certainly were.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    A CNN article is not proof of anything since this is a well-known biased media company towards Clinton. It's not called Clinton News Network for nothing.

    But, the link you posted it's more about Carly Fiorina then it is about Clinton. I do agree with this though at the end of the article: "The election is about understanding the concerns of voters -- their daily lives and priorities."
  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    siding with the credit card companies and passing a law that made it harder to discharge debts even though her good friend L. Blankfein and Goldman Sachs had just been responsible for the biggest mortgage backed security swindle in history causing thousands of American families to lose their homes and soon thereafter the Rothschilds started foreclosing on the world in 2009.
    Bravo Senator!

    PS I do foreclosure defense brightboy.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/31/warren-in-2004-clip-accuses-hillary-of-being-beholden-to-credit-card-companies-video/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7O3rE3H1HY
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    rssesq said:

    siding with the credit card companies and passing a law that made it harder to discharge debts even though her good friend L. Blankfein and Goldman Sachs had just been responsible for the biggest mortgage backed security swindle in history causing thousands of American families to lose their homes and soon thereafter the Rothschilds started foreclosing on the world in 2009.
    Bravo Senator!

    PS I do foreclosure defense brightboy.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/31/warren-in-2004-clip-accuses-hillary-of-being-beholden-to-credit-card-companies-video/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7O3rE3H1HY

    Sure.. people should be able to discharge all debt without a means testing. Yeah, good thinking. I mean, why should people pay back they money they borrowed even though they can afford to pay some of it back? That is super unfair.
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