Hillary won more votes for President

lukin2006

Those convention and speakers are as phoney as politicians ...with the exception of Ted Cruz of course the speakers you pick are going to say nothing but good things.

lukin2006

MayDay10 said:

I came in not liking Hillary at all and likely voting 3rd party. Watching some of the RNC and also the DNC, I saw an alarming lack of substance and plan from the Trump camp. I had expected them to try to display some sort of tangible platform at the convention. Pence is also not a guy I would trust with the 'puppet strings' if thats the plan.

The DNC did a marvelous job putting out their case for Hillary (vs both Trump and 3rd parties). The speakers I saw (Booker, Michelle O, O, Hillary were wonderful... as was Hillary's introductory video (as opposed to Trumps that touted him building an ice rink in NYC as a major accomplishment).

I think Ron Paul, Bernie, etc have done a great job grinding from the 2 major parties. It needs to continue. But now is not the time. For my kids' sake, it is important that Trump does not get elected. I have done very well in the current climate with Obama in office and I believe Hillary would mostly be a continuation of that.

I'm voting for Hillary.

The ice rink is a better accomplishment than the rise of Isis ...

mrussel1

MayDay10 said:

I came in not liking Hillary at all and likely voting 3rd party. Watching some of the RNC and also the DNC, I saw an alarming lack of substance and plan from the Trump camp. I had expected them to try to display some sort of tangible platform at the convention. Pence is also not a guy I would trust with the 'puppet strings' if thats the plan.

The DNC did a marvelous job putting out their case for Hillary (vs both Trump and 3rd parties). The speakers I saw (Booker, Michelle O, O, Hillary were wonderful... as was Hillary's introductory video (as opposed to Trumps that touted him building an ice rink in NYC as a major accomplishment).

I think Ron Paul, Bernie, etc have done a great job grinding from the 2 major parties. It needs to continue. But now is not the time. For my kids' sake, it is important that Trump does not get elected. I have done very well in the current climate with Obama in office and I believe Hillary would mostly be a continuation of that. We also have a possibility of up to 4 Supreme Court replacements.... and allowing Donald Trump to select them would set us back 30 years and affect a generation of law decisions. Trying to fight for Jill Stein to get 3% of the vote instead of 2% isnt worth it.

I'm voting for Hillary.

Bravo! Well said!

mrussel1

lukin2006 said:

MayDay10 said:

I came in not liking Hillary at all and likely voting 3rd party. Watching some of the RNC and also the DNC, I saw an alarming lack of substance and plan from the Trump camp. I had expected them to try to display some sort of tangible platform at the convention. Pence is also not a guy I would trust with the 'puppet strings' if thats the plan.

The DNC did a marvelous job putting out their case for Hillary (vs both Trump and 3rd parties). The speakers I saw (Booker, Michelle O, O, Hillary were wonderful... as was Hillary's introductory video (as opposed to Trumps that touted him building an ice rink in NYC as a major accomplishment).

I think Ron Paul, Bernie, etc have done a great job grinding from the 2 major parties. It needs to continue. But now is not the time. For my kids' sake, it is important that Trump does not get elected. I have done very well in the current climate with Obama in office and I believe Hillary would mostly be a continuation of that.

I'm voting for Hillary.

The ice rink is a better accomplishment than the rise of Isis ...

I know. Sucks that we attacked Iraq and caused that shit storm.

Gern Blansten

MayDay10 said:

I came in not liking Hillary at all and likely voting 3rd party. Watching some of the RNC and also the DNC, I saw an alarming lack of substance and plan from the Trump camp. I had expected them to try to display some sort of tangible platform at the convention. Pence is also not a guy I would trust with the 'puppet strings' if thats the plan.

The DNC did a marvelous job putting out their case for Hillary (vs both Trump and 3rd parties). The speakers I saw (Booker, Michelle O, O, Hillary were wonderful... as was Hillary's introductory video (as opposed to Trumps that touted him building an ice rink in NYC as a major accomplishment).

I think Ron Paul, Bernie, etc have done a great job grinding from the 2 major parties. It needs to continue. But now is not the time. For my kids' sake, it is important that Trump does not get elected. I have done very well in the current climate with Obama in office and I believe Hillary would mostly be a continuation of that. We also have a possibility of up to 4 Supreme Court replacements.... and allowing Donald Trump to select them would set us back 30 years and affect a generation of law decisions. Trying to fight for Jill Stein to get 3% of the vote instead of 2% isnt worth it.

I'm voting for Hillary.

In my opinion Pence is more dangerous than Trump. Pence was planning on running for Pres but his bullshit anti-gay bill in Indiana destroyed that hope. Indiana was ready to vote him out of office when Trump picked his bigoted ass up on the ticket.

MayDay10

The fact that ISIS exists sucks. Islamic extremism is not easily snuffed out or defeated. Its existed for a long, long time. Its whack a mole. If not ISIS, would it be someone else?

ISIS exists and rose due to the conditions created by the Iraq war. Led by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. Awful decision making. Hillary voted in favor (as did Pence). Trump also was in favor (and after the fact spoke out against it). The sad thing is, Americans still had a lot of bloodlust after 9-11 and largely supported the war. I hope/believe we all learned from that.

Trump plays directly into ISIS' playbook. It says right in their publications that one of their primary goals is to create fear and thus aggression from the West? They want to draw us out and drop bombs. Doing what we are currently doing is the right way, although needs to be improved. Information, multinational cooperation, resolve, tolerance, and education are paramount.

lukin2006

^^^ that's right and the dems made a bad situation much much worse.

Gern Blansten

lukin2006 said:

MayDay10 said:

I came in not liking Hillary at all and likely voting 3rd party. Watching some of the RNC and also the DNC, I saw an alarming lack of substance and plan from the Trump camp. I had expected them to try to display some sort of tangible platform at the convention. Pence is also not a guy I would trust with the 'puppet strings' if thats the plan.

The DNC did a marvelous job putting out their case for Hillary (vs both Trump and 3rd parties). The speakers I saw (Booker, Michelle O, O, Hillary were wonderful... as was Hillary's introductory video (as opposed to Trumps that touted him building an ice rink in NYC as a major accomplishment).

I think Ron Paul, Bernie, etc have done a great job grinding from the 2 major parties. It needs to continue. But now is not the time. For my kids' sake, it is important that Trump does not get elected. I have done very well in the current climate with Obama in office and I believe Hillary would mostly be a continuation of that.

I'm voting for Hillary.

The ice rink is a better accomplishment than the rise of Isis ...

Are you seriously going to pin Isis on Hillary?

lukin2006

Im pinning it on both parties the republicans and the republicans lights...stay the fuck out of everybodies business should be the order of the day...but somehow you guys just can't fucking do that.

polaris_x

MayDay10 said:

The fact that ISIS exists sucks. Islamic extremism is not easily snuffed out or defeated. Its existed for a long, long time. Its whack a mole. If not ISIS, would it be someone else?

ISIS exists and rose due to the conditions created by the Iraq war. Led by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. Awful decision making. Hillary voted in favor (as did Pence). Trump also was in favor (and after the fact spoke out against it). The sad thing is, Americans still had a lot of bloodlust after 9-11 and largely supported the war. I hope/believe we all learned from that.

Trump plays directly into ISIS' playbook. It says right in their publications that one of their primary goals is to create fear and thus aggression from the West? They want to draw us out and drop bombs. Doing what we are currently doing is the right way, although needs to be improved. Information, multinational cooperation, resolve, tolerance, and education are paramount.

the iraq war and isis are founded on the military industrial complex ... it isn't a matter of "oh shit - that didn't work out" ... it's a matter of deliberation ... you don't continue to spend the most money on arms and defence if there is no conflict in this world ... this is the nature of the "establishment" ... special interests dictating domestic and foreign policy in the interests of profiteering ...

dignin

polaris_x said:

thanks ... I see katy perry at the DNC and my eyes can't roll far enough back ...

Yeah, I kinda feel the same way. But she has a lot of appeal to a certain demographic.

lukin2006

^^^ and far to many innocent lives.

Free

lukin2006 said:

Those convention and speakers are as phoney as politicians ...with the exception of Ted Cruz of course the speakers you pick are going to say nothing but good things.

Who would have thunk to think of Cruz being the real truthful one in all of this.

lukin2006

Free said:

lukin2006 said:

Those convention and speakers are as phoney as politicians ...with the exception of Ted Cruz of course the speakers you pick are going to say nothing but good things.

Who would have thunk to think of Cruz being the real truthful one in all of this.

Agreed ... might have been your next POTUS, except this is a crazy election year.

Free

MayDay10 said:

The fact that ISIS exists sucks. Islamic extremism is not easily snuffed out or defeated. Its existed for a long, long time. Its whack a mole. If not ISIS, would it be someone else?

ISIS exists and rose due to the conditions created by the Iraq war. Led by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. Awful decision making. Hillary voted in favor (as did Pence). Trump also was in favor (and after the fact spoke out against it). The sad thing is, Americans still had a lot of bloodlust after 9-11 and largely supported the war. I hope/believe we all learned from that.

Trump plays directly into ISIS' playbook. It says right in their publications that one of their primary goals is to create fear and thus aggression from the West? They want to draw us out and drop bombs. Doing what we are currently doing is the right way, although needs to be improved. Information, multinational cooperation, resolve, tolerance, and education are paramount.

FEAR! Screw veteran's healthcare, both parties are war-mongers and just want to focus on what induces fear in the American public. Because fear is what keeps a corrupt corporate 2 party system intact and keeps people from fighting for what really counts.

Free

How Clinton Lost the Nomination

Yes, as we are all too aware, Hillary Clinton was officially anointed this week as the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee for the upcoming election. She was chosen by the party to be its nominee long before the race ever began, and it used every means at its disposal, both in plain sight and behind closed doors, to ensure that nothing – least of all the will of the people – would prevent that from happening.

Yet even though she may have won the title, she lost any moral legitimacy to the position that the title represents.

It is a shameful, hollow victory; one that has stained the democratic process in its callous and brazen willingness to subvert that very process by whatever means necessary in order to triumph.

Her campaign’s collusion with the DNC (not to mention her corporate media allies, lobbyists and tech industry cohorts) to undermine Senator Sanders’ bid for the nomination – to any rational, thinking person who’d paid even the slightest bit of attention to the unfolding race – was as obvious as it was incensing. The party’s hierarchy, working with their establishment counterparts at state and local levels, did everything they could to sabotage and stifle the Vermont Senator’s burgeoning campaign.

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Perhaps the saddest aspect of all of this is that so many of those previously disenfranchised, disaffected and otherwise alienated or jaded by the political process saw in Senator Sanders’ campaign a light in the political darkness. They saw a man of principle, someone who had spent a lifetime remaining true to his beliefs and his word, and someone who wanted to rid the system of its corporate, insider cronyism and make the country and more fair and just one. And now those same people who fought alongside Sanders are confronted with the cruel reality that those corporate, insider cronies came out on top…once again.

However, as dispiriting as that reality may be, it could have been worse. Had the Democratic primary been fought fairly, on a level playing field, with no establishment deck-stacking involved and Clinton had still clawed her way to the nomination, there would be very little solace to be had in the notion that voters simply liked her and her politics better. As bitter a pill to swallow as the actual outcome is, at least one can take some comfort in the knowledge that she didn’t win on merit, she won through fraud and deceit.

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The upshot:

Hillary Clinton didn’t win the Democratic Party nomination – she simply won the game of trickery, collusion and fraudulence that modern politics in this country has devolved into. And while Sanders’ bid to clean house ultimately failed, it opened the eyes of many millions of voters to show just how corrupted that system has become.

Right now many of those voters are crestfallen and many more are just plain angry. But there are many fights that lay ahead, and when they come, those same voters will be going into battle with their eyes wide open.

http://www.thecharliemusgrovereport.com/2016/07/how-clinton-lost-nomination.html

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

lukin2006 said:

MayDay10 said:

I came in not liking Hillary at all and likely voting 3rd party. Watching some of the RNC and also the DNC, I saw an alarming lack of substance and plan from the Trump camp. I had expected them to try to display some sort of tangible platform at the convention. Pence is also not a guy I would trust with the 'puppet strings' if thats the plan.

The DNC did a marvelous job putting out their case for Hillary (vs both Trump and 3rd parties). The speakers I saw (Booker, Michelle O, O, Hillary were wonderful... as was Hillary's introductory video (as opposed to Trumps that touted him building an ice rink in NYC as a major accomplishment).

I think Ron Paul, Bernie, etc have done a great job grinding from the 2 major parties. It needs to continue. But now is not the time. For my kids' sake, it is important that Trump does not get elected. I have done very well in the current climate with Obama in office and I believe Hillary would mostly be a continuation of that.

I'm voting for Hillary.

The ice rink is a better accomplishment than the rise of Isis ...

I know. Sucks that we attacked Iraq and caused that shit storm.

Then maybe Hillary shouldn't have voted to authorize it.

PJ_Soul

benjs said:

Don't know if anyone is watching Clinton, but she thanked Bernie Sanders and I haven't seen an angrier looking old dude in a while.

I saw it, but I didn't think he looked angry. He definitely looked something, but not angry. I'm actually not sure what he was thinking or feeling at that moment. It could be any number of things - that particular expression could be applied to a fairly wide range of emotions - and unless he actually says what was going through his head at that moment, I don't think anyone at all can say or even form an opinion. I thought he could have been sad, mad, disappointed, on the verge of tears, touched, bashful, modest... who knows.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

lukin2006 said:

MayDay10 said:

I came in not liking Hillary at all and likely voting 3rd party. Watching some of the RNC and also the DNC, I saw an alarming lack of substance and plan from the Trump camp. I had expected them to try to display some sort of tangible platform at the convention. Pence is also not a guy I would trust with the 'puppet strings' if thats the plan.

The DNC did a marvelous job putting out their case for Hillary (vs both Trump and 3rd parties). The speakers I saw (Booker, Michelle O, O, Hillary were wonderful... as was Hillary's introductory video (as opposed to Trumps that touted him building an ice rink in NYC as a major accomplishment).

I think Ron Paul, Bernie, etc have done a great job grinding from the 2 major parties. It needs to continue. But now is not the time. For my kids' sake, it is important that Trump does not get elected. I have done very well in the current climate with Obama in office and I believe Hillary would mostly be a continuation of that.

I'm voting for Hillary.

The ice rink is a better accomplishment than the rise of Isis ...

I know. Sucks that we attacked Iraq and caused that shit storm.

Then maybe Hillary shouldn't have voted to authorize it.

Or...maybe our President and his staff should not have fabricated evidence.
Or.. maybe they should not have scheduled the vote before mid terms to maximize the political impact, knowing the American people had a jingoistic attitude coming out of 9/11.

I'm sure you remember that 41 specifically waited until AFTER the midterms in 90 for the authorization for the Gulf war because he didn't want a politicized vote.

Boxes&Books

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

lukin2006 said:

MayDay10 said:

I came in not liking Hillary at all and likely voting 3rd party. Watching some of the RNC and also the DNC, I saw an alarming lack of substance and plan from the Trump camp. I had expected them to try to display some sort of tangible platform at the convention. Pence is also not a guy I would trust with the 'puppet strings' if thats the plan.

The DNC did a marvelous job putting out their case for Hillary (vs both Trump and 3rd parties). The speakers I saw (Booker, Michelle O, O, Hillary were wonderful... as was Hillary's introductory video (as opposed to Trumps that touted him building an ice rink in NYC as a major accomplishment).

I think Ron Paul, Bernie, etc have done a great job grinding from the 2 major parties. It needs to continue. But now is not the time. For my kids' sake, it is important that Trump does not get elected. I have done very well in the current climate with Obama in office and I believe Hillary would mostly be a continuation of that.

I'm voting for Hillary.

The ice rink is a better accomplishment than the rise of Isis ...

I know. Sucks that we attacked Iraq and caused that shit storm.

Then maybe Hillary shouldn't have voted to authorize it.

Oh but he knows it sucks. Try raising your chipd in that world. I don't think they would simply say it sucks and go about their day.

Hold someone accountable. Perhaps vote for someone who won't cause a sucky day for others. What a fucking joke. People get booed for being Warhawks and you find it disrespectful. Do you think those families having bombs dropped on their fucking kids find it disrespectful too?