FLIPPERS ON EBAY

HughFreakingDillon

cmalisze said:

RKCNDY said:

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

Not being confrontational but...how can you not? Do you think people buy a home with the theory that it will either be appraised at the purchase price or even below in later years? No way. We buy homes to gain equity and upon sale make even more money than originally paid.The question I responded to was...what do you think of people who buy a poster for $35 with the thought to trade it for another item worth $500 and is 10 years old. This is why I referenced buying a home. It is the same idea just on a lesser scale financially. The thing about posters and some merch in the current collecting climate is that items seem to appreciate substantially over 24 hours.

most people buy homes and live in it for years before it appreciates in value and sell it at market. they don't buy it and sell it the next day. people who flip houses are also putting a shitload of work into it to turn a profit. that's not the same as flipping band merch. that's buying, upgrading, and selling a superior product.

zero the same as flipping posters or vinyl.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

cmalisze said:

RKCNDY said:

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

Not being confrontational but...how can you not? Do you think people buy a home with the theory that it will either be appraised at the purchase price or even below in later years? No way. We buy homes to gain equity and upon sale make even more money than originally paid.The question I responded to was...what do you think of people who buy a poster for $35 with the thought to trade it for another item worth $500 and is 10 years old. This is why I referenced buying a home. It is the same idea just on a lesser scale financially. The thing about posters and some merch in the current collecting climate is that items seem to appreciate substantially over 24 hours.

most people buy homes and live in it for years before it appreciates in value and sell it at market. they don't buy it and sell it the next day. people who flip houses are also putting a shitload of work into it to turn a profit. that's not the same as flipping band merch. that's buying, upgrading, and selling a superior product.

zero the same as flipping posters or vinyl.

That and most states have capital gains tax laws that greatly discourage flipping houses. Not that I'm suggesting implementing such laws on poster and vinyl, haha!

I see the solution as two fold:
1) encourage people to consume less stuff. How many people have wall space for hundreds of posters? Who really listens to all 20,000 or 2,000,000 (or what ever) records in their collection?
2) Limit the number of purchases per item to one per person.

PJammin'

PJ_Soul said:

^^^Sometimes I get the feeling that 10C actually loves flippers.

Of course they do. That's how they keep the hype up for their products.

cmalisze

HughFreakingDillon said:

cmalisze said:

RKCNDY said:

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

Not being confrontational but...how can you not? Do you think people buy a home with the theory that it will either be appraised at the purchase price or even below in later years? No way. We buy homes to gain equity and upon sale make even more money than originally paid.The question I responded to was...what do you think of people who buy a poster for $35 with the thought to trade it for another item worth $500 and is 10 years old. This is why I referenced buying a home. It is the same idea just on a lesser scale financially. The thing about posters and some merch in the current collecting climate is that items seem to appreciate substantially over 24 hours.

most people buy homes and live in it for years before it appreciates in value and sell it at market. they don't buy it and sell it the next day. people who flip houses are also putting a shitload of work into it to turn a profit. that's not the same as flipping band merch. that's buying, upgrading, and selling a superior product.

zero the same as flipping posters or vinyl.

But, do you think if a house appreciated that fast people wouldn't do it? In this case the various items appreciate quickly. See the current Transformers poster. I do not blame people for trading the stuff to "upgrade." Many items appreciate slowly like a home and when are sold for a reasonable price people are commended just like Speedy said. Examples of the Benny. So what is the real difference?

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cmalisze said:

RKCNDY said:

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

Not being confrontational but...how can you not? Do you think people buy a home with the theory that it will either be appraised at the purchase price or even below in later years? No way. We buy homes to gain equity and upon sale make even more money than originally paid.The question I responded to was...what do you think of people who buy a poster for $35 with the thought to trade it for another item worth $500 and is 10 years old. This is why I referenced buying a home. It is the same idea just on a lesser scale financially. The thing about posters and some merch in the current collecting climate is that items seem to appreciate substantially over 24 hours.

most people buy homes and live in it for years before it appreciates in value and sell it at market. they don't buy it and sell it the next day. people who flip houses are also putting a shitload of work into it to turn a profit. that's not the same as flipping band merch. that's buying, upgrading, and selling a superior product.

zero the same as flipping posters or vinyl.

That and most states have capital gains tax laws that greatly discourage flipping houses. Not that I'm suggesting implementing such laws on poster and vinyl, haha!

I see the solution as two fold:
1) encourage people to consume less stuff. How many people have wall space for hundreds of posters? Who really listens to all 20,000 or 2,000,000 (or what ever) records in their collection?
2) Limit the number of purchases per item to one per person.

I agree Brian. I went through a stage where I was buying anything music-related if it had the word "limited" on it. I literally spent probably thousands of dollars on music and music-related merch. I finally came to the realization that it's all just stuff, and I didn't need it, but it's so easy to get caught up in it. It's a constant struggle with my oldest daughter who wants every journey girl, every build a bear, etc, and I'm trying to instill in her that we simply do not need all this STUFF. But I get how kids can get all wide-eyed at Toys R Us. I "needed" every WWF wrestler that ever came out when I was a kid. LOL

cmalisze

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cmalisze said:

RKCNDY said:

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

Not being confrontational but...how can you not? Do you think people buy a home with the theory that it will either be appraised at the purchase price or even below in later years? No way. We buy homes to gain equity and upon sale make even more money than originally paid.The question I responded to was...what do you think of people who buy a poster for $35 with the thought to trade it for another item worth $500 and is 10 years old. This is why I referenced buying a home. It is the same idea just on a lesser scale financially. The thing about posters and some merch in the current collecting climate is that items seem to appreciate substantially over 24 hours.

most people buy homes and live in it for years before it appreciates in value and sell it at market. they don't buy it and sell it the next day. people who flip houses are also putting a shitload of work into it to turn a profit. that's not the same as flipping band merch. that's buying, upgrading, and selling a superior product.

zero the same as flipping posters or vinyl.

That and most states have capital gains tax laws that greatly discourage flipping houses. Not that I'm suggesting implementing such laws on poster and vinyl, haha!

I see the solution as two fold:
1) encourage people to consume less stuff. How many people have wall space for hundreds of posters? Who really listens to all 20,000 or 2,000,000 (or what ever) records in their collection?
2) Limit the number of purchases per item to one per person.

I agree Brian. I went through a stage where I was buying anything music-related if it had the word "limited" on it. I literally spent probably thousands of dollars on music and music-related merch. I finally came to the realization that it's all just stuff, and I didn't need it, but it's so easy to get caught up in it. It's a constant struggle with my oldest daughter who wants every journey girl, every build a bear, etc, and I'm trying to instill in her that we simply do not need all this STUFF. But I get how kids can get all wide-eyed at Toys R Us. I "needed" every WWF wrestler that ever came out when I was a kid. LOL

I think I may have had every LJN WWF wrestler. Even the Ultimate Warrior. My friend just sold his to a toy store in Chicago for $145...he is a flipper!!!! Kidding, of course.

ldent42

HughFreakingDillon said:

ldent42 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Longest Road said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

So what do you think of the person who spends $200 on that Transformer poster yesterday. ...With his intentions being to trade it for a 10 year old poster that sells for $500 on ebay?

Is that OK?

Clearly NOT even miles from the point. Let's review: Flipper- A scum bag who waits in line solely to buy merch to immediately go home and eBay it for a staggering profit. They show no interest in the band or the music, NYC is FAMOUS for professional flippers. Clear? This has gotten silly. You are now clearly being argumentative with your spurious trading tale. I have made my point, IMHO, I am right and many agree with me. So go split hairs with someone else.

you are not right. you have an opinion. learn the difference.

speedy, that's a grey area. I personally consider that flipping (if I'm clear, in that the person is trading the new poster right away for a 10 year old poster, and not 10 years down the road). because that person is buying that poster for their own personal gain and nothing else, taking that poster out of the hands of someone who wants it. but it is also somehow allowed on Lost Dogs all the time. people go to show, people buy poster, poster sells out, "all of a sudden" I don't need this poster (bought one for my buddy, but he bought one, so he doesn't need it!), I'm going to trade it for a 1998 poster. that's flipping. absolutely.

full disclosure: have I ever flipped? yes, I have. I don't condone it. I didn't feel good about it. But I did it. Haven't done it since. let the people who want it have it. I have also bought extra and sold at the original price for people who missed out.

Had I considered selling my safe travels keychain when I found out people were selling them for a ridiculous $125? I'm no liar. I did consider it. But then I decided against it. it's just fucking money. who cares.

And the people who are buying it for themselves and their friends who couldn't make it aren't?

buying something for personal gain in this context is defined as buying something with the intent on reaping some type of financial reward (whether it be monetary, or not having to exchange cash for a much more expensive item in a trade).

if you want to get all philosophical about the "gain" of being able to look at it for 35 years on your wall and recall the show with fondness as a result, be my guest, but it's obvious I was talking in more literal terms.

First time my philosophy studies have been held against me. Weird feeling, that.

HughFreakingDillon

cmalisze said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cmalisze said:

RKCNDY said:

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

Not being confrontational but...how can you not? Do you think people buy a home with the theory that it will either be appraised at the purchase price or even below in later years? No way. We buy homes to gain equity and upon sale make even more money than originally paid.The question I responded to was...what do you think of people who buy a poster for $35 with the thought to trade it for another item worth $500 and is 10 years old. This is why I referenced buying a home. It is the same idea just on a lesser scale financially. The thing about posters and some merch in the current collecting climate is that items seem to appreciate substantially over 24 hours.

most people buy homes and live in it for years before it appreciates in value and sell it at market. they don't buy it and sell it the next day. people who flip houses are also putting a shitload of work into it to turn a profit. that's not the same as flipping band merch. that's buying, upgrading, and selling a superior product.

zero the same as flipping posters or vinyl.

That and most states have capital gains tax laws that greatly discourage flipping houses. Not that I'm suggesting implementing such laws on poster and vinyl, haha!

I see the solution as two fold:
1) encourage people to consume less stuff. How many people have wall space for hundreds of posters? Who really listens to all 20,000 or 2,000,000 (or what ever) records in their collection?
2) Limit the number of purchases per item to one per person.

I agree Brian. I went through a stage where I was buying anything music-related if it had the word "limited" on it. I literally spent probably thousands of dollars on music and music-related merch. I finally came to the realization that it's all just stuff, and I didn't need it, but it's so easy to get caught up in it. It's a constant struggle with my oldest daughter who wants every journey girl, every build a bear, etc, and I'm trying to instill in her that we simply do not need all this STUFF. But I get how kids can get all wide-eyed at Toys R Us. I "needed" every WWF wrestler that ever came out when I was a kid. LOL

I think I may have had every LJN WWF wrestler. Even the Ultimate Warrior. My friend just sold his to a toy store in Chicago for $145...he is a flipper!!!! Kidding, of course.

I sold my entire collection on ebay for $300+. I didn't have them all, but I had most of em.

HughFreakingDillon

ldent42 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ldent42 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Longest Road said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

So what do you think of the person who spends $200 on that Transformer poster yesterday. ...With his intentions being to trade it for a 10 year old poster that sells for $500 on ebay?

Is that OK?

Clearly NOT even miles from the point. Let's review: Flipper- A scum bag who waits in line solely to buy merch to immediately go home and eBay it for a staggering profit. They show no interest in the band or the music, NYC is FAMOUS for professional flippers. Clear? This has gotten silly. You are now clearly being argumentative with your spurious trading tale. I have made my point, IMHO, I am right and many agree with me. So go split hairs with someone else.

you are not right. you have an opinion. learn the difference.

speedy, that's a grey area. I personally consider that flipping (if I'm clear, in that the person is trading the new poster right away for a 10 year old poster, and not 10 years down the road). because that person is buying that poster for their own personal gain and nothing else, taking that poster out of the hands of someone who wants it. but it is also somehow allowed on Lost Dogs all the time. people go to show, people buy poster, poster sells out, "all of a sudden" I don't need this poster (bought one for my buddy, but he bought one, so he doesn't need it!), I'm going to trade it for a 1998 poster. that's flipping. absolutely.

full disclosure: have I ever flipped? yes, I have. I don't condone it. I didn't feel good about it. But I did it. Haven't done it since. let the people who want it have it. I have also bought extra and sold at the original price for people who missed out.

Had I considered selling my safe travels keychain when I found out people were selling them for a ridiculous $125? I'm no liar. I did consider it. But then I decided against it. it's just fucking money. who cares.

And the people who are buying it for themselves and their friends who couldn't make it aren't?

buying something for personal gain in this context is defined as buying something with the intent on reaping some type of financial reward (whether it be monetary, or not having to exchange cash for a much more expensive item in a trade).

if you want to get all philosophical about the "gain" of being able to look at it for 35 years on your wall and recall the show with fondness as a result, be my guest, but it's obvious I was talking in more literal terms.

First time my philosophy studies have been held against me. Weird feeling, that.

cmalisze

HughFreakingDillon said:

cmalisze said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cmalisze said:

RKCNDY said:

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

Not being confrontational but...how can you not? Do you think people buy a home with the theory that it will either be appraised at the purchase price or even below in later years? No way. We buy homes to gain equity and upon sale make even more money than originally paid.The question I responded to was...what do you think of people who buy a poster for $35 with the thought to trade it for another item worth $500 and is 10 years old. This is why I referenced buying a home. It is the same idea just on a lesser scale financially. The thing about posters and some merch in the current collecting climate is that items seem to appreciate substantially over 24 hours.

most people buy homes and live in it for years before it appreciates in value and sell it at market. they don't buy it and sell it the next day. people who flip houses are also putting a shitload of work into it to turn a profit. that's not the same as flipping band merch. that's buying, upgrading, and selling a superior product.

zero the same as flipping posters or vinyl.

That and most states have capital gains tax laws that greatly discourage flipping houses. Not that I'm suggesting implementing such laws on poster and vinyl, haha!

I see the solution as two fold:
1) encourage people to consume less stuff. How many people have wall space for hundreds of posters? Who really listens to all 20,000 or 2,000,000 (or what ever) records in their collection?
2) Limit the number of purchases per item to one per person.

I agree Brian. I went through a stage where I was buying anything music-related if it had the word "limited" on it. I literally spent probably thousands of dollars on music and music-related merch. I finally came to the realization that it's all just stuff, and I didn't need it, but it's so easy to get caught up in it. It's a constant struggle with my oldest daughter who wants every journey girl, every build a bear, etc, and I'm trying to instill in her that we simply do not need all this STUFF. But I get how kids can get all wide-eyed at Toys R Us. I "needed" every WWF wrestler that ever came out when I was a kid. LOL

I think I may have had every LJN WWF wrestler. Even the Ultimate Warrior. My friend just sold his to a toy store in Chicago for $145...he is a flipper!!!! Kidding, of course.

I sold my entire collection on ebay for $300+. I didn't have them all, but I had most of em.

Mine were so beat up. I drew on them and everything. I wish I hadn't. There are so many ones I had worth a ton. The Hart Foundation, The Ultimate Warrior, Rick Rude, and even Miss Elizabeth. It is insane the prices people pay!

HughFreakingDillon

cmalisze said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cmalisze said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cmalisze said:

RKCNDY said:

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

Not being confrontational but...how can you not? Do you think people buy a home with the theory that it will either be appraised at the purchase price or even below in later years? No way. We buy homes to gain equity and upon sale make even more money than originally paid.The question I responded to was...what do you think of people who buy a poster for $35 with the thought to trade it for another item worth $500 and is 10 years old. This is why I referenced buying a home. It is the same idea just on a lesser scale financially. The thing about posters and some merch in the current collecting climate is that items seem to appreciate substantially over 24 hours.

most people buy homes and live in it for years before it appreciates in value and sell it at market. they don't buy it and sell it the next day. people who flip houses are also putting a shitload of work into it to turn a profit. that's not the same as flipping band merch. that's buying, upgrading, and selling a superior product.

zero the same as flipping posters or vinyl.

That and most states have capital gains tax laws that greatly discourage flipping houses. Not that I'm suggesting implementing such laws on poster and vinyl, haha!

I see the solution as two fold:
1) encourage people to consume less stuff. How many people have wall space for hundreds of posters? Who really listens to all 20,000 or 2,000,000 (or what ever) records in their collection?
2) Limit the number of purchases per item to one per person.

I agree Brian. I went through a stage where I was buying anything music-related if it had the word "limited" on it. I literally spent probably thousands of dollars on music and music-related merch. I finally came to the realization that it's all just stuff, and I didn't need it, but it's so easy to get caught up in it. It's a constant struggle with my oldest daughter who wants every journey girl, every build a bear, etc, and I'm trying to instill in her that we simply do not need all this STUFF. But I get how kids can get all wide-eyed at Toys R Us. I "needed" every WWF wrestler that ever came out when I was a kid. LOL

I think I may have had every LJN WWF wrestler. Even the Ultimate Warrior. My friend just sold his to a toy store in Chicago for $145...he is a flipper!!!! Kidding, of course.

I sold my entire collection on ebay for $300+. I didn't have them all, but I had most of em.

Mine were so beat up. I drew on them and everything. I wish I hadn't. There are so many ones I had worth a ton. The Hart Foundation, The Ultimate Warrior, Rick Rude, and even Miss Elizabeth. It is insane the prices people pay!

My rarest ones (original Hogan, Andre, and Big John Studd) all had hands and/or feet chewed off by my dog on christmas day (same day I got them). But someone still wanted them.

but I still had all the posters and championship belts they came with, so I think that added to it.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cmalisze said:

RKCNDY said:

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

Not being confrontational but...how can you not? Do you think people buy a home with the theory that it will either be appraised at the purchase price or even below in later years? No way. We buy homes to gain equity and upon sale make even more money than originally paid.The question I responded to was...what do you think of people who buy a poster for $35 with the thought to trade it for another item worth $500 and is 10 years old. This is why I referenced buying a home. It is the same idea just on a lesser scale financially. The thing about posters and some merch in the current collecting climate is that items seem to appreciate substantially over 24 hours.

most people buy homes and live in it for years before it appreciates in value and sell it at market. they don't buy it and sell it the next day. people who flip houses are also putting a shitload of work into it to turn a profit. that's not the same as flipping band merch. that's buying, upgrading, and selling a superior product.

zero the same as flipping posters or vinyl.

That and most states have capital gains tax laws that greatly discourage flipping houses. Not that I'm suggesting implementing such laws on poster and vinyl, haha!

I see the solution as two fold:
1) encourage people to consume less stuff. How many people have wall space for hundreds of posters? Who really listens to all 20,000 or 2,000,000 (or what ever) records in their collection?
2) Limit the number of purchases per item to one per person.

I agree Brian. I went through a stage where I was buying anything music-related if it had the word "limited" on it. I literally spent probably thousands of dollars on music and music-related merch. I finally came to the realization that it's all just stuff, and I didn't need it, but it's so easy to get caught up in it. It's a constant struggle with my oldest daughter who wants every journey girl, every build a bear, etc, and I'm trying to instill in her that we simply do not need all this STUFF. But I get how kids can get all wide-eyed at Toys R Us. I "needed" every WWF wrestler that ever came out when I was a kid. LOL

Yeah, really when it comes down to it, it's all just stuff, haha! Reminds me of an interview with J Mascis I saw somewhere. He was asked how he reacted when his house burned down and he just said, "Eh, it's just stuff. There's always more 'stuff'" LOL.

PJ_Soul

I figure that if you have more than you can "consume", you don't need it (that's why I'm always trading records in at the record store and my collection remains relatively small and very slow to grow - I can only listen to so many records. If a record doesn't get played, or if I can't see myself ever really wanting to spin one, I don't want it). However, some people get genuine pleasure from the hunt and acquisition itself (not that I don't - I do too! Just not in large quantities), so who am I or anyone to say that they don't "need" it? Maybe they do need more than they can "consume" because they get that much pleasure out of it (assuming we need what makes us happy).

foodboy

so many other things to do in new york. i would not want to waste my time on that stuff. i have bought enough of it over the years but happily stopped for the most part years ago. still like a few things here and there but no longer a need. its all a ponzi scheme anyway unless you are wearing it, framing it or playing it. one day the secondary market will collapse and all this stuff will be worth not a whole lot. so for those who truly love what they buy great. that should be your only reason no matter what the hobby. as far as paying flippers i wouldn't do it but you can't police everyone. good for them if they find suckers to pay ridiculous prices. next time if you guys want these things organize yourselves into an all night line up crew and beat these people at their own game. but extras and sell them at cost to your ten club buddies. or use them for charity raffles etc.

InBetweenIsMne

HughFreakingDillon said:

Longest Road said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

So what do you think of the person who spends $200 on that Transformer poster yesterday. ...With his intentions being to trade it for a 10 year old poster that sells for $500 on ebay?

Is that OK?

Clearly NOT even miles from the point. Let's review: Flipper- A scum bag who waits in line solely to buy merch to immediately go home and eBay it for a staggering profit. They show no interest in the band or the music, NYC is FAMOUS for professional flippers. Clear? This has gotten silly. You are now clearly being argumentative with your spurious trading tale. I have made my point, IMHO, I am right and many agree with me. So go split hairs with someone else.

you are not right. you have an opinion. learn the difference.

speedy, that's a grey area. I personally consider that flipping (if I'm clear, in that the person is trading the new poster right away for a 10 year old poster, and not 10 years down the road). because that person is buying that poster for their own personal gain and nothing else, taking that poster out of the hands of someone who wants it. but it is also somehow allowed on Lost Dogs all the time. people go to show, people buy poster, poster sells out, "all of a sudden" I don't need this poster (bought one for my buddy, but he bought one, so he doesn't need it!), I'm going to trade it for a 1998 poster. that's flipping. absolutely.

full disclosure: have I ever flipped? yes, I have. I don't condone it. I didn't feel good about it. But I did it. Haven't done it since. let the people who want it have it. I have also bought extra and sold at the original price for people who missed out.

Had I considered selling my safe travels keychain when I found out people were selling them for a ridiculous $125? I'm no liar. I did consider it. But then I decided against it. it's just fucking money. who cares. L

I'll take your money, if you don't want it.

PJfanwillneverleave1

I think 10c and its members do a decent job of protecting their own from flippers.
Generally you can tell flippers - "Dear jamily", or "hey jammers I have an uncle who has cancer and I was cleaning out my garage and discovered these 500 rare pearl jam items".
In a way we pay to have that privilege of someone informing us if its a scam/flip etc.
Imagine if you were allowed to flip your screen name.

Wma31394

What's the going rate for an unused white backspacer?

RP112579

Wma31394 said:

What's the going rate for an unused white backspacer?

$35. I'll take it

brianlux

Wma31394 said:

What's the going rate for an unused white backspacer?

$27.50 on Music Stack. I'll keep my black vinyl copy however.

evdjj3j

The whole PJ economy is strange, they create it and could stop it but it makes too much money. All they have to do is create enough merchandise to meet demand, but they don't. Don't blame the people on eBay, they didn't create the situation.