FLIPPERS ON EBAY

PJfanwillneverleave1

on2legs said:

To me... If I buy one poster I'm free to do with it what I please.... Frame it, put it in a portfolio, burn it, trade it or sell it. I'm entitled as the next guy to one poster.

Yes.
The key that makes this reasonable is you said one poster not fifty.
It would really suck to know that the first 10 people in line buy up all the posters and end up burning them.

on2legs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

on2legs said:

To me... If I buy one poster I'm free to do with it what I please.... Frame it, put it in a portfolio, burn it, trade it or sell it. I'm entitled as the next guy to one poster.

Yes.
The key that makes this reasonable is you said one poster not fifty.
It would really suck to know that the first 10 people in line buy up all the posters and end up burning them.

Yes. Anything beyond 1 is being uncool to your fellow fans. They should never allow you to buy more than one. Too bad if your buddy couldn't make it to the show.... I am here and I would like a poster.

JB128716

PP193448 said:

JB128716 said:

I like strawberries

In a smoothie... Soooooooooooooo good...........

YES!!!

Banana, Strawberries, a little peanut butter, coconut juice.

PP193448

Tequila, rum, or vodka???

brianlux

I can't tell if this is a mixed up thread or a mixer thread.

2-feign-reluctance

Longest Road said:

Well, I see where you are coming from, I think, in a way, we are saying the same thing. Well, in some ways, but I respect your opinion.

So you didn't miss the point then? Haha! 10c fans have changed!

SJD3232

PSUS2H said:

I generally dont care about these posts, it is beating a dead horse, however, what makes me laugh is when someone is reselling a limited item and tries to charge more than what ebay will let them for shipping. There is a LP up right now for $150, they guy has $4.00 shipping indicated, but in the listing says shipping is actually $5.99. Dude, done be a cheap *** and take the $4.00 and use your profits to cover the extra $2. Ha ha, I'm surprised he isnt adding the $0.57 cents per mile for driving to the post office.

It's now $0.575 cents per mile. He's cutting you a break. Get it right.

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

on2legs said:

To me... If I buy one poster I'm free to do with it what I please.... Frame it, put it in a portfolio, burn it, trade it or sell it. I'm entitled as the next guy to one poster.

Yes.
The key that makes this reasonable is you said one poster not fifty.
It would really suck to know that the first 10 people in line buy up all the posters and end up burning them.

I do support item limits, and think they should be low.

WhatYouTaughtMe

JB128716 said:

PP193448 said:

JB128716 said:

I like strawberries

In a smoothie... Soooooooooooooo good...........

YES!!!

Banana, Strawberries, a little peanut butter, coconut juice.

thread integrity!

cmalisze

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

So what do you think of the person who spends $200 on that Transformer poster yesterday. ...With his intentions being to trade it for a 10 year old poster that sells for $500 on ebay?

Is that OK?

I say yes it is absolutely ok.

If that were the case then any home owner in America would be a flipper. I bought my home for $300k in 2000 but there is no way in 2015 I would sell it to you for more than that because I'm not a flipper. Absolutely not!

The question is does it help to allow people that aren't going to the show access to buy items. This is where all the madness began. People realized they could make money off items so they stand in line for that sole purpose. They even pay people to stand in line for them.

We are all giddy as can be when we don't have to carry our poster tubes into the show but, now that ability comes with the huge cost of keeping items away from fans at a reasonable price.

I'm also sure this has been talked about but, as an aging fan base that, most likely, earns more income than their younger selves we have the ability to purchase a poster or whatever online for a premium without having the hassle of standing outside the venue for 5 hours. This may also be why the market has changed. If it were as simple as walking IN the show grabbing whatever and going to your seat and having your face melted then I believe their would be no room for flippers.

Limiting the amount of items to purchase won't cure this completely. I believe what will is limiting the amount of items one can purchase BEFORE the show INSIDE the venue. After the show whatever is leftover can be purchased freely. Now the market is dictated ONLY by those not at the show or that were too busy not wanting to get to the venue early enough to buy or wanting to wait in a line at all. The market is not dictated by some guy in a green shirt who can give a rat's ass about what the setlist is.

I don't want to speak for the OP but, I think this is the basis of the frustration of people who flip.

And today is the only show in the USA in 2015! I am excited to share it with some great people.

Enjoy.

RKCNDY

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

HughFreakingDillon

Longest Road said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

So what do you think of the person who spends $200 on that Transformer poster yesterday. ...With his intentions being to trade it for a 10 year old poster that sells for $500 on ebay?

Is that OK?

Clearly NOT even miles from the point. Let's review: Flipper- A scum bag who waits in line solely to buy merch to immediately go home and eBay it for a staggering profit. They show no interest in the band or the music, NYC is FAMOUS for professional flippers. Clear? This has gotten silly. You are now clearly being argumentative with your spurious trading tale. I have made my point, IMHO, I am right and many agree with me. So go split hairs with someone else.

you are not right. you have an opinion. learn the difference.

speedy, that's a grey area. I personally consider that flipping (if I'm clear, in that the person is trading the new poster right away for a 10 year old poster, and not 10 years down the road). because that person is buying that poster for their own personal gain and nothing else, taking that poster out of the hands of someone who wants it. but it is also somehow allowed on Lost Dogs all the time. people go to show, people buy poster, poster sells out, "all of a sudden" I don't need this poster (bought one for my buddy, but he bought one, so he doesn't need it!), I'm going to trade it for a 1998 poster. that's flipping. absolutely.

full disclosure: have I ever flipped? yes, I have. I don't condone it. I didn't feel good about it. But I did it. Haven't done it since. let the people who want it have it. I have also bought extra and sold at the original price for people who missed out.

Had I considered selling my safe travels keychain when I found out people were selling them for a ridiculous $125? I'm no liar. I did consider it. But then I decided against it. it's just fucking money. who cares.

HughFreakingDillon

cmalisze said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

So what do you think of the person who spends $200 on that Transformer poster yesterday. ...With his intentions being to trade it for a 10 year old poster that sells for $500 on ebay?

Is that OK?

I say yes it is absolutely ok.

If that were the case then any home owner in America would be a flipper. I bought my home for $300k in 2000 but there is no way in 2015 I would sell it to you for more than that because I'm not a flipper. Absolutely not!

The question is does it help to allow people that aren't going to the show access to buy items. This is where all the madness began. People realized they could make money off items so they stand in line for that sole purpose. They even pay people to stand in line for them.

We are all giddy as can be when we don't have to carry our poster tubes into the show but, now that ability comes with the huge cost of keeping items away from fans at a reasonable price.

I'm also sure this has been talked about but, as an aging fan base that, most likely, earns more income than their younger selves we have the ability to purchase a poster or whatever online for a premium without having the hassle of standing outside the venue for 5 hours. This may also be why the market has changed. If it were as simple as walking IN the show grabbing whatever and going to your seat and having your face melted then I believe their would be no room flippers.

Limiting the amount of items to purchase won't cure this completely. I believe what will is limiting the amount of items one can purchase BEFORE the show INSIDE the venue. After the show whatever is leftover can be purchased freely. Now the market is dictated ONLY by those not at the show or that were too busy not wanting to get to the venue early enough to buy or wanting to wait in a line at all. The market is not dictated by some guy in a green shirt who can give a rat's ass about what the setlist is.

I don't want to speak for the OP but, I think this is the basis of the frustration of people who flip.

And today is the only show in the USA in 2015! I am excited to share it with some great people.

Enjoy.

allow only those with a TICKET TO THE SHOW buy merch, and limit the items to 1 per person. that would solve it all.

having those stupid trucks outside the venue to hawk pj wares is ridiculous.

PJ_Soul

^^^ I agree with that. I don't understand why 10C does that. Sometimes I get the feeling that 10C actually loves flippers.

AmishGuy91

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

If I went on the Lost Dogs forum...
And sold a Benaroya LP for $750...people would tell me I was a GREAT guy, for selling it so cheap...
If I sold a Riot Act LP for $150...People would tell me I was a GREAT guy!!!

You have a problem with flippers?
I have a problem with the Lost Dogs forum.
Personally, I believe they should have named that forum...Flipper Heaven

Well said.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

^^^ I agree with that. I don't understand why 10C does that. Sometimes I get the feeling that 10C actually loves flippers.

they know shit's going to sell out every time, in record time. no fuss, no muss, empty warehouse.

MayDay10

HughFreakingDillon said:

. I personally consider that flipping (if I'm clear, in that the person is trading the new poster right away for a 10 year old poster, and not 10 years down the road). because that person is buying that poster for their own personal gain and nothing else, taking that poster out of the hands of someone who wants it. but it is also somehow allowed on Lost Dogs all the time. people go to show, people buy poster, poster sells out, "all of a sudden" I don't need this poster (bought one for my buddy, but he bought one, so he doesn't need it!), I'm going to trade it for a 1998 poster. that's flipping. absolutely.

this.

there is an entire microeconomy here and this behavior is wildfire. I see it on the various PJ facebook groups and in lost dogs. It used to be kind of frowned upon and people would need excuses like "got a print for a friend but he already got one". Now people don't even have to do that.

Just bought X Poster 5 minutes ago, got it instead of Joe who really wanted it. Anyone got a "Kong"?


its a big reason Ive bailed on the merch game for the most part.

ldent42

HughFreakingDillon said:

Longest Road said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

So what do you think of the person who spends $200 on that Transformer poster yesterday. ...With his intentions being to trade it for a 10 year old poster that sells for $500 on ebay?

Is that OK?

Clearly NOT even miles from the point. Let's review: Flipper- A scum bag who waits in line solely to buy merch to immediately go home and eBay it for a staggering profit. They show no interest in the band or the music, NYC is FAMOUS for professional flippers. Clear? This has gotten silly. You are now clearly being argumentative with your spurious trading tale. I have made my point, IMHO, I am right and many agree with me. So go split hairs with someone else.

you are not right. you have an opinion. learn the difference.

speedy, that's a grey area. I personally consider that flipping (if I'm clear, in that the person is trading the new poster right away for a 10 year old poster, and not 10 years down the road). because that person is buying that poster for their own personal gain and nothing else, taking that poster out of the hands of someone who wants it. but it is also somehow allowed on Lost Dogs all the time. people go to show, people buy poster, poster sells out, "all of a sudden" I don't need this poster (bought one for my buddy, but he bought one, so he doesn't need it!), I'm going to trade it for a 1998 poster. that's flipping. absolutely.

full disclosure: have I ever flipped? yes, I have. I don't condone it. I didn't feel good about it. But I did it. Haven't done it since. let the people who want it have it. I have also bought extra and sold at the original price for people who missed out.

Had I considered selling my safe travels keychain when I found out people were selling them for a ridiculous $125? I'm no liar. I did consider it. But then I decided against it. it's just fucking money. who cares.

And the people who are buying it for themselves and their friends who couldn't make it aren't?

cmalisze

RKCNDY said:

you cannot compare buying and selling a house to buying and selling a poster.

Not being confrontational but...how can you not? Do you think people buy a home with the theory that it will either be appraised at the purchase price or even below in later years? No way. We buy homes to gain equity and upon sale make even more money than originally paid.The question I responded to was...what do you think of people who buy a poster for $35 with the thought to trade it for another item worth $500 and is 10 years old. This is why I referenced buying a home. It is the same idea just on a lesser scale financially. The thing about posters and some merch in the current collecting climate is that items seem to appreciate substantially over 24 hours.

HughFreakingDillon

ldent42 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Longest Road said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

So what do you think of the person who spends $200 on that Transformer poster yesterday. ...With his intentions being to trade it for a 10 year old poster that sells for $500 on ebay?

Is that OK?

Clearly NOT even miles from the point. Let's review: Flipper- A scum bag who waits in line solely to buy merch to immediately go home and eBay it for a staggering profit. They show no interest in the band or the music, NYC is FAMOUS for professional flippers. Clear? This has gotten silly. You are now clearly being argumentative with your spurious trading tale. I have made my point, IMHO, I am right and many agree with me. So go split hairs with someone else.

you are not right. you have an opinion. learn the difference.

speedy, that's a grey area. I personally consider that flipping (if I'm clear, in that the person is trading the new poster right away for a 10 year old poster, and not 10 years down the road). because that person is buying that poster for their own personal gain and nothing else, taking that poster out of the hands of someone who wants it. but it is also somehow allowed on Lost Dogs all the time. people go to show, people buy poster, poster sells out, "all of a sudden" I don't need this poster (bought one for my buddy, but he bought one, so he doesn't need it!), I'm going to trade it for a 1998 poster. that's flipping. absolutely.

full disclosure: have I ever flipped? yes, I have. I don't condone it. I didn't feel good about it. But I did it. Haven't done it since. let the people who want it have it. I have also bought extra and sold at the original price for people who missed out.

Had I considered selling my safe travels keychain when I found out people were selling them for a ridiculous $125? I'm no liar. I did consider it. But then I decided against it. it's just fucking money. who cares.

And the people who are buying it for themselves and their friends who couldn't make it aren't?

buying something for personal gain in this context is defined as buying something with the intent on reaping some type of financial reward (whether it be monetary, or not having to exchange cash for a much more expensive item in a trade).

if you want to get all philosophical about the "gain" of being able to look at it for 35 years on your wall and recall the show with fondness as a result, be my guest, but it's obvious I was talking in more literal terms.