The threat of intelligent Muslim kids!

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    edited September 2015
    I think that if a kid is building electronics in an educational atmosphere, that is a LOT different than bringing some homemade electronic through security screening.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    I think that if a kid is building electronics in an educational atmosphere, there is a LOT different that bring some homemade electronic through security screening.

    It's just a clock though.
    So no big deal.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954

    PJ_Soul said:

    I think that if a kid is building electronics in an educational atmosphere, there is a LOT different that bring some homemade electronic through security screening.

    It's just a clock though.
    So no big deal.
    Huh?
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    edited September 2015

    I think it is a sign of the times and the parents should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something that looks like this to school.
    image
    If he brought this through to airport screening what would've happened?
    What would've happened if brought this to any security or screening lines?
    I'm sure everyone here would be saying "What the fuck was this kid thinking"?, instead
    Safety is paramount in schools.

    Someone said that Ahmed being a new student in HS it was proper that precaution should be taken and to have his device checked out. It was a nightmare as to what happened after that and should never have happened.

    Peace

    Post edited by g under p on
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

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  • I think it is a sign of the times and the parents should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something that looks like this to school.
    image
    If he brought this through to airport screening what would've happened?
    What would've happened if brought this to any security or screening lines?
    I'm sure everyone here would be saying "What the fuck was this kid thinking"?, instead
    Safety is paramount in schools.

    Your point about airport security is irrelevant. You aren't allowed to bring gels through airport security, either, but somehow kids are still allowed to bring yoghurt and hair products to high school. Why? Because they are completely different situations (setting aside the non-utility of the gel ban on aircraft for time being).

    Phrases like "safety is paramount" and "you can't be too careful" get bandied about, when in fact this case is a great example that you can, indeed, be too careful. Being too careful is currently causing a whole host of bad outcomes in the US, and to a lesser extent in Canada. Kids don't walk to school or play in outside because, who knows, there might be a sexual predator out there. And in this instance, a kid who showed initiative and inquisitiveness, and who appropriately took his invention straight to someone who should have been the appropriate contact person to understand what he was doing, gets arrested. If this little piece of electronics might be a bomb, why couldn't any bit of electronics that kids carry around in their backpacks be a bomb? And if it was, why did he take it straight to the teacher to show her?

    "Should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something like this to school" - it's a sad day when someone says, apparently without irony (although who knows in your case), that a kid should know better than to bring his home made science experiment to school.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited September 2015

    I think it is a sign of the times and the parents should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something that looks like this to school.
    image
    If he brought this through to airport screening what would've happened?
    What would've happened if brought this to any security or screening lines?
    I'm sure everyone here would be saying "What the fuck was this kid thinking"?, instead
    Safety is paramount in schools.

    Your point about airport security is irrelevant.
    No it's not.
    You can bring a digital alarm clock on board.

    edit - I said his parents should've had the foresight, not the kid.
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    I think it is a sign of the times and the parents should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something that looks like this to school.
    image
    If he brought this through to airport screening what would've happened?
    What would've happened if brought this to any security or screening lines?
    I'm sure everyone here would be saying "What the fuck was this kid thinking"?, instead
    Safety is paramount in schools.

    Your point about airport security is irrelevant. You aren't allowed to bring gels through airport security, either, but somehow kids are still allowed to bring yoghurt and hair products to high school. Why? Because they are completely different situations (setting aside the non-utility of the gel ban on aircraft for time being).

    Phrases like "safety is paramount" and "you can't be too careful" get bandied about, when in fact this case is a great example that you can, indeed, be too careful. Being too careful is currently causing a whole host of bad outcomes in the US, and to a lesser extent in Canada. Kids don't walk to school or play in outside because, who knows, there might be a sexual predator out there. And in this instance, a kid who showed initiative and inquisitiveness, and who appropriately took his invention straight to someone who should have been the appropriate contact person to understand what he was doing, gets arrested. If this little piece of electronics might be a bomb, why couldn't any bit of electronics that kids carry around in their backpacks be a bomb? And if it was, why did he take it straight to the teacher to show her?

    "Should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something like this to school" - it's a sad day when someone says, apparently without irony (although who knows in your case), that a kid should know better than to bring his home made science experiment to school.
    ^^^^ This
  • dignin said:

    I think it is a sign of the times and the parents should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something that looks like this to school.
    image
    If he brought this through to airport screening what would've happened?
    What would've happened if brought this to any security or screening lines?
    I'm sure everyone here would be saying "What the fuck was this kid thinking"?, instead
    Safety is paramount in schools.

    Your point about airport security is irrelevant. You aren't allowed to bring gels through airport security, either, but somehow kids are still allowed to bring yoghurt and hair products to high school. Why? Because they are completely different situations (setting aside the non-utility of the gel ban on aircraft for time being).

    Phrases like "safety is paramount" and "you can't be too careful" get bandied about, when in fact this case is a great example that you can, indeed, be too careful. Being too careful is currently causing a whole host of bad outcomes in the US, and to a lesser extent in Canada. Kids don't walk to school or play in outside because, who knows, there might be a sexual predator out there. And in this instance, a kid who showed initiative and inquisitiveness, and who appropriately took his invention straight to someone who should have been the appropriate contact person to understand what he was doing, gets arrested. If this little piece of electronics might be a bomb, why couldn't any bit of electronics that kids carry around in their backpacks be a bomb? And if it was, why did he take it straight to the teacher to show her?

    "Should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something like this to school" - it's a sad day when someone says, apparently without irony (although who knows in your case), that a kid should know better than to bring his home made science experiment to school.
    ^^^^ This
    Come on dignin
    Use your own words, I know you can do it!
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    I wonder if the authorities will give Ahmed his clock back? If they do at least he'll get a chance to fix it.

    Peace

    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • g under p said:

    I wonder if the authorities will give Ahmed his clock back? If they do at least he'll get a chance to fix it.

    Peace

    You know, I can't decide if you mean that he needs to fix it because the authorities took it apart, or that he could "fix it" and actually make it into a bomb.

    I'm obviously spending way too much time on this board :lol:
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524

    Your point about airport security is irrelevant. You aren't allowed to bring gels through airport security, either, but somehow kids are still allowed to bring yoghurt and hair products to high school. Why? Because they are completely different situations (setting aside the non-utility of the gel ban on aircraft for time being).

    Phrases like "safety is paramount" and "you can't be too careful" get bandied about, when in fact this case is a great example that you can, indeed, be too careful. Being too careful is currently causing a whole host of bad outcomes in the US, and to a lesser extent in Canada. Kids don't walk to school or play in outside because, who knows, there might be a sexual predator out there. And in this instance, a kid who showed initiative and inquisitiveness, and who appropriately took his invention straight to someone who should have been the appropriate contact person to understand what he was doing, gets arrested. If this little piece of electronics might be a bomb, why couldn't any bit of electronics that kids carry around in their backpacks be a bomb? And if it was, why did he take it straight to the teacher to show her?

    "Should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something like this to school" - it's a sad day when someone says, apparently without irony (although who knows in your case), that a kid should know better than to bring his home made science experiment to school.

    Great post, often - especially your middle paragraph. Thinking before acting, applying context, demeanor, simple common sense...all could've been utilized.

    Was it Thirty who said he hopes this doesn't discourage him from continuing his work? Regardless, agreed. How refreshing. Between this and a story I saw this morning of a young teen who saved the life of a person whose car was close to being completely submerged in water, gives me some hope for this generation. Among other instances.

  • I think it is a sign of the times and the parents should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something that looks like this to school.
    image
    If he brought this through to airport screening what would've happened?
    What would've happened if brought this to any security or screening lines?
    I'm sure everyone here would be saying "What the fuck was this kid thinking"?, instead
    Safety is paramount in schools.

    Your point about airport security is irrelevant. You aren't allowed to bring gels through airport security, either, but somehow kids are still allowed to bring yoghurt and hair products to high school. Why? Because they are completely different situations (setting aside the non-utility of the gel ban on aircraft for time being).

    Phrases like "safety is paramount" and "you can't be too careful" get bandied about, when in fact this case is a great example that you can, indeed, be too careful. Being too careful is currently causing a whole host of bad outcomes in the US, and to a lesser extent in Canada. Kids don't walk to school or play in outside because, who knows, there might be a sexual predator out there. And in this instance, a kid who showed initiative and inquisitiveness, and who appropriately took his invention straight to someone who should have been the appropriate contact person to understand what he was doing, gets arrested. If this little piece of electronics might be a bomb, why couldn't any bit of electronics that kids carry around in their backpacks be a bomb? And if it was, why did he take it straight to the teacher to show her?

    "Should have at least had the foresight that this could happen by bringing something like this to school" - it's a sad day when someone says, apparently without irony (although who knows in your case), that a kid should know better than to bring his home made science experiment to school.
    Couldn't agree more! And PJFan before you say it, I don't need to use my own words when Often has expressed my thoughts so well :)
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    edited September 2015
    PJ_Soul said:

    I think that if a kid is building electronics in an educational atmosphere, that is a LOT different than bringing some homemade electronic through security screening.

    yeah so what's the difference if he or his parents builds a bomb and it blows up in a school room or an airport ? good Lord you guy's kid's are shot and killed because they use toy guns while they are playing....so a home made clock that looks like a bomb brought to school should raise some red flags...or does that manner of thinking exclude muslim kids ? after all we need to be politically correct right ?
    America is receiving threats from so called muslim radicals and this doesn't even make you guy's just a little curious ?

    Godfather.

    Post edited by Godfather. on
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    His clock doesn't look like a clock and it was unrelated to a school project. Protocol must be followed because (unfortunately) we live in a day where kids shoot and blow up other kids in school.

    Now he gets to meet the POTUS?

  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840

    PJ_Soul said:

    I think that if a kid is building electronics in an educational atmosphere, that is a LOT different than bringing some homemade electronic through security screening.

    yeah so what's the difference if he or his parents builds a bomb and it blows up in a school room or an airport ? good Lord you guy's kid's are shot and killed because they use toy guns while they are playing....so a home made clock that looks like a bomb brought to school should raise some red flags...or does that manner of thinking exclude muslim kids ? after all we need to be politically correct right ?
    America is receiving threats from so called muslim radicals and this doesn't even make you guy's just a little curious ?

    Godfather.

    Good gracious

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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196

    g under p said:

    I wonder if the authorities will give Ahmed his clock back? If they do at least he'll get a chance to fix it.

    Peace

    You know, I can't decide if you mean that he needs to fix it because the authorities took it apart, or that he could "fix it" and actually make it into a bomb.

    I'm obviously spending way too much time on this board :lol:
    I'm saying he should get the opportunity to fix his clock to make it work again. I then think it should be placed on display at the school or somewhere to show what the capabilities of what young teens can do when they create and build things in the name of science.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    Jason P said:

    His clock doesn't look like a clock and it was unrelated to a school project. Protocol must be followed because (unfortunately) we live in a day where kids shoot and blow up other kids in school.

    Now he gets to meet the POTUS?

    But of course he does.....but do they allow the clock in the White House?
  • Jason P said:

    His clock doesn't look like a clock and it was unrelated to a school project. Protocol must be followed because (unfortunately) we live in a day where kids shoot and blow up other kids in school.

    Now he gets to meet the POTUS?

    His clock, as we saw it in the photo (which may have been after police tampered with it) doesn't look like a clock to you. GF says it "looks like a bomb", but how many bomb have you seen, GF, outside of tv? What it looks like to us is less relevant than what a competent engineering teacher (who presumably could understand it) would have thought it looked like. I mean, I'm no engineer, but I don't see any explosives in there.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138

    Jason P said:

    His clock doesn't look like a clock and it was unrelated to a school project. Protocol must be followed because (unfortunately) we live in a day where kids shoot and blow up other kids in school.

    Now he gets to meet the POTUS?

    His clock, as we saw it in the photo (which may have been after police tampered with it) doesn't look like a clock to you. GF says it "looks like a bomb", but how many bomb have you seen, GF, outside of tv? What it looks like to us is less relevant than what a competent engineering teacher (who presumably could understand it) would have thought it looked like. I mean, I'm no engineer, but I don't see any explosives in there.
    The main thing is that it is very unique and unusual and one-of-a-kind device brought unannounced into a school. The engineering teacher told him to keep it on the down low, but at least he was knowledgeable to know what it was. When it started beeping in another class (home economics?), that teacher had to report it and take it seriously as a potential threat because he/she has no technical knowledge to know if it was a clock or potential explosive device.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    muskydan said:

    Jason P said:

    His clock doesn't look like a clock and it was unrelated to a school project. Protocol must be followed because (unfortunately) we live in a day where kids shoot and blow up other kids in school.

    Now he gets to meet the POTUS?

    But of course he does.....but do they allow the clock in the White House?
    If they do let the clock in, you can be guaranteed that the secret service will check the hell out of it before it gets near Obama. Because our leaders are hypocrites.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    Jason P said:

    His clock doesn't look like a clock and it was unrelated to a school project. Protocol must be followed because (unfortunately) we live in a day where kids shoot and blow up other kids in school.

    Now he gets to meet the POTUS?

    His clock, as we saw it in the photo (which may have been after police tampered with it) doesn't look like a clock to you. GF says it "looks like a bomb", but how many bomb have you seen, GF, outside of tv? What it looks like to us is less relevant than what a competent engineering teacher (who presumably could understand it) would have thought it looked like. I mean, I'm no engineer, but I don't see any explosives in there.
    it doesn't matter what I think it looked like, his teacher and police did think it looked like a bomb.
    ....after police tampered with it ?????? why do you think they tampered with it ?...well maybe it looked like a bomb !!!! most people don't see a bomb until that last split second when their life is about to end or change.

    Godfather.

  • Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    His clock doesn't look like a clock and it was unrelated to a school project. Protocol must be followed because (unfortunately) we live in a day where kids shoot and blow up other kids in school.

    Now he gets to meet the POTUS?

    His clock, as we saw it in the photo (which may have been after police tampered with it) doesn't look like a clock to you. GF says it "looks like a bomb", but how many bomb have you seen, GF, outside of tv? What it looks like to us is less relevant than what a competent engineering teacher (who presumably could understand it) would have thought it looked like. I mean, I'm no engineer, but I don't see any explosives in there.
    The main thing is that it is very unique and unusual and one-of-a-kind device brought unannounced into a school. The engineering teacher told him to keep it on the down low, but at least he was knowledgeable to know what it was. When it started beeping in another class (home economics?), that teacher had to report it and take it seriously as a potential threat because he/she has no technical knowledge to know if it was a clock or potential explosive device.
    I didn't know this update, so thanks for providing it. It doesn't really make it any better, though, since the engineering teacher could either have intervened, or kept the clock in his/her office if he/she thought it might lead to problems.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    The editors at Gawker are having a white-guilt orgasm over this story. This is their christmas time.
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196

    A Muslim teenager built a simple clock out of electronic components and took it to show his engineering teacher at school — but he was arrested when another teacher thought it looked like a bomb and alerted administrators.

    Police in Irving, Texas, never suspected the device was an explosive device and did not alert the bomb squad, but they still arrested 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed because he could offer no “broader explanation” for his clock besides describing it as a device that measures time.

    What do you think would happen if a white 14 year old built a nuclear reactor in his parent's home


    What would be the reaction of the authorities. Lets see shall we?


    When another 14-year-old boy built a nuclear reactor at his parents’ home he was invited to meet with officials from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Department of Energy — who http://mentalfloss.com/article/28576/mad-scientist-month-whos-afraid-taylor-wilson offered their expert assistance, equipment and encouragement to apply for a research grant.

    READ MORE: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/the-mayor-of-ahmed-mohameds-town-is-a-well-known-conservative-folk-hero-for-fighting-fake-muslim-threats The mayor of Ahmed Mohamed’s town is a well-known conservative folk hero for fighting fake Muslim ‘threats’

    Taylor Wilson, who is white, entered his nuclear fusion reactor five years ago in a series of science fairs that eventually won him a trip to Switzerland, where he toured the Large Hadron Collider — the world’s largest particle accelerator.

    Wilson, now 21 years old, later won $50,000 at a science fair for an anti-terrorism device he invented that can detect nuclear materials in cargo containers.
    He http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/20/taylor-wilson-nuclear-teen-genius-science-interview demonstrated that device to President Barack Obama at another science fair organized at the White House.

    The president also invited Mohamed to visit him at the White House after the Muslim teen’s story sparked national outrage over an apparent double standard.
    Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It’s what makes America great.
    — President Obama (@POTUS) September 16, 2015
    And what would happen if the kid was BLACK?

    Well.....

    A black Florida teen was http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/02/florida-student-arrested-science-experiment-blast/2130381/ arrested and expelled in April 2013 after her science fair experiment, which involved mixing toilet bowl cleaner and aluminum foil in a plastic water bottle, created a chemical reaction that resulted in a firecracker-like “pop” and some smoke.

    The reaction caused no injuries or damage, but the principal of Bartown High School feared the device had violated school policies.

    Police charged Kiera Wilmot, then 16, with possession and discharge of a weapon on school grounds and with discharging a destructive device.

    The honors student was http://abcnews.go.com/US/cleared-charges-honor-student-space-camp/story?id=19236561 eventually cleared of charges[/url] and went to the U.S. Space Academy after a NASA veteran heard about her story and paid for scholarships for Wilmot and her twin sister.

    Incredible.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Seems like a very bright and well-spoken kid.
    Jason P said:

    The editors at Gawker are having a white-guilt orgasm over this story. This is their christmas time.

    =)

    I hadn't heard the latest either; our local news just mentioned it.

    Well-spoken kid though.
  • I have no problem with the teacher calling the calls to have this investigated. I do not have a problem with the kid being put in handcuffs while it's investigated. I do have a problem with them suspending the kid after they found out it was a harmless device.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255

    Jason P said:

    His clock doesn't look like a clock and it was unrelated to a school project. Protocol must be followed because (unfortunately) we live in a day where kids shoot and blow up other kids in school.

    Now he gets to meet the POTUS?

    His clock, as we saw it in the photo (which may have been after police tampered with it) doesn't look like a clock to you. GF says it "looks like a bomb", but how many bomb have you seen, GF, outside of tv? What it looks like to us is less relevant than what a competent engineering teacher (who presumably could understand it) would have thought it looked like. I mean, I'm no engineer, but I don't see any explosives in there.
    it doesn't matter what I think it looked like, his teacher and police did think it looked like a bomb.
    ....after police tampered with it ?????? why do you think they tampered with it ?...well maybe it looked like a bomb !!!! most people don't see a bomb until that last split second when their life is about to end or change.

    Godfather.

    They thought it was a bomb yet they DIDNT call the bomb squad or evacuate the school. Get the fuck out of here with your bigot shit. The pic they keep posting of the clock ISNT how the kid took the clock to school. What fucken idiot would take an object that looks like that pic to his school and show his science teacher. Those idiots in charge fucked with the clock to make it look like a bomb so people like GF and MuskyDan (Texas ranger) can rant and rave about how all Muslims are terrorists and want to kill us and take our freedoms away. Matter of fact, doctoring evidence is prob something our resident cop does frequently.

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038

    I have no problem with the teacher calling the calls to have this investigated. I do not have a problem with the kid being put in handcuffs while it's investigated. I do have a problem with them suspending the kid after they found out it was a harmless device.

    Wow, really? Ever been handcuffed for something you didn't do? You never forget it.

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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255

    I have no problem with the teacher calling the calls to have this investigated. I do not have a problem with the kid being put in handcuffs while it's investigated. I do have a problem with them suspending the kid after they found out it was a harmless device.

    Come on, really? The teacher didn't even call the fucken bomb squad. Ya some bomb. Dude, putting a 14 year old in handcuffs, wow. America, yup, please keep reminding me how we're all free.
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